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Azurescens brf cake pinning in the jar?? (pics)
    #15660210 - 01/13/12 11:12 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Hi, so I started these 5 azurescens brf cakes exactly 30 days ago.  Intention was to grow on cakes, transfer to wood chips, then use colonized wood chips to establish an outdoor bed.

Of the 5 cakes, this cake colonized the fastest.  I actually have wood chips pasteurizing as I type this as I intended to move it to the wood chips this weekend.  The other 4 are slower but still colonizing and no sign of contams.

So I started looking at this cake today, and I think I see pins and hyphal knots!  It has been 100% colonized for about a week.  I took it out of the warm closet (75*) to a more normal room temp (60*) a few days ago.

I was under the impression indoor grows of azzies rarely/never fruit, and that it would be extremely unlikely the myc would be strong enough from just growing on brf to fruit, yet here they are...

I'm kinda curious if I should hold off crumbling this cake into wood chips and see if I can get it to fruit indoors??  Or is it just a waste of time and these will abort anyway and just drain the myc?

Thanks for info on this!  Sorry the pics aren't better just have a phone camera, but as far as I can tell with my eyes these are definitely pins.






Edited by tdmm (01/13/12 11:13 AM)

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Re: Azurescens brf cake pinning in the jar?? (pics) [Re: tdmm]
    #15660375 - 01/13/12 11:36 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Where did you get your spores from?  Look like cube pins to me

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Re: Azurescens brf cake pinning in the jar?? (pics) [Re: UnnamedGrower]
    #15660395 - 01/13/12 11:40 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Where did you get your spores from?  Look like cube pins to me




From a truster sponsor, one of the best ones on this site (don't want to name names and get in trouble).  I would be inclined to think this as well except the myc growth is visibly different than my cube jars, and like I said, this sponsor is definitely trustworthy.

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Re: Azurescens brf cake pinning in the jar?? (pics) [Re: tdmm]
    #15660404 - 01/13/12 11:42 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

:wow:
Thats pretty amazing

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Re: Azurescens brf cake pinning in the jar?? (pics) [Re: UnnamedGrower]
    #15660455 - 01/13/12 11:51 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Where did you get your spores from?  Look like cube pins to me




An experienced grower is wrong???

HOW CAN THIS BE?
:zomgwtf:

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Re: Azurescens brf cake pinning in the jar?? (pics) [Re: Icesyn]
    #15660477 - 01/13/12 11:55 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Where did you get your spores from?  Look like cube pins to me




An experienced grower is wrong???

HOW CAN THIS BE?
:zomgwtf:



Of course I can be wrong.  Growing mushrooms is constantly changing.  Id love to see the OP fruit the cake and see what comes of it

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Re: Azurescens brf cake pinning in the jar?? (pics) [Re: UnnamedGrower]
    #15660495 - 01/13/12 11:58 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Of course I can be wrong.  Growing mushrooms is constantly changing.  Id love to see the OP fruit the cake and see what comes of it




It's nearly impossible to fruit azures indoors. I've seen a couple done, but it's never worth the bounty.

Perfect conditions are outside where nature intended for these beauties.

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Re: Azurescens brf cake pinning in the jar?? (pics) [Re: Icesyn]
    #15660529 - 01/13/12 12:07 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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It's nearly impossible to fruit azures indoors. I've seen a couple done, but it's never worth the bounty.

Perfect conditions are outside where nature intended for these beauties.




So even though it's pinning you think it's not worth trying to fruit?  Just go ahead with transfer to wood chips as planned?

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Re: Azurescens brf cake pinning in the jar?? (pics) [Re: tdmm]
    #15660574 - 01/13/12 12:16 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I'd pick off one of the pins and clone it when you take it out of the jar. You may have some unique genetics and I wouldn't pass on the possibility of harnessing them. Though I still don't rule out that you may be growing a different species, it's not impossible for a vendor to accidentally mix up species, it's happened before.

If you've got other colonizing jars then 1 half pint isn't gonna make much a difference in terms of spawn ratio, so I'd try and fruit the cake.

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Re: Azurescens brf cake pinning in the jar?? (pics) [Re: Jonow]
    #15661302 - 01/13/12 03:01 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Congrats! Lucky you. Do be sure to clone those pins. This is not that far fetched to think it is what the OP believes it to be. With all the amazing different things happening in this forum, I definitely believe that is possible.

I have been contemplating on starting wood lovers indoors. It's so hard to tell if it's worth it by researching. So many mixed results. so I'm gonna just try it. I have an idea for a SGFC that can be temp controlled using a fresh air vent from outside. It will supply fresh air from outside to cool and ventilate the chamber. I am going to construct the chamber first and see if I can control everything well enough.


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Re: Azurescens brf cake pinning in the jar?? (pics) [Re: shroomerite]
    #15661867 - 01/13/12 05:39 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Well after thinking about this all day I think I'm going to go ahead and spawn to wood chips tomorrow as planned.

I only have 5 cakes going and two of them are colonizing so slowly I'm not sure they're gonna make it.  I really want to have azures next fall so I need all 3 of these cakes to colonize chips.

Unfortunately I'm too new to have the ability to clone, all I have is a simple still air box and basic supplies.  But assuming my outdoor patch does well, which I think it will, I will have plenty of spores and myc to work with in the future and maybe more experiments can be done.

Thanks everyone for your input!

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Re: Azurescens brf cake pinning in the jar?? (pics) [Re: tdmm]
    #15661881 - 01/13/12 05:42 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

This looks excellent, please keep us updated on this!

Can't wait for more pics/info!

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Re: Azurescens brf cake pinning in the jar?? (pics) [Re: tdmm]
    #15662012 - 01/13/12 06:17 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Unfortunately I'm too new to have the ability to clone, all I have is a simple still air box and basic supplies.

Thanks everyone for your input!




If you got this far, you have the ability. I have only ever used a SAB. Take a clean knife, take a small speck from the inside of the stem when it's bigger and put it in a grain jar or LC. It's so easy.


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Re: Azurescens brf cake pinning in the jar?? (pics) [Re: Hartge]
    #15662029 - 01/13/12 06:20 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I got bad news, like the other people who know, that is going to prove to be cubensis. Don't feel bad, but very first post
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12422677#12422677ok at my lo. they are cubes :wink: tell us where you got them
put them in a f?c and watch the cubensis appear

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Re: Azurescens brf cake pinning in the jar?? (pics) [Re: SomeGuy]
    #15662103 - 01/13/12 06:39 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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I got bad news, like the other people who know, that is going to prove to be cubensis. Don't feel bad, but very first post
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12422677#12422677ok at my lo. they are cubes :wink: tell us where you got them
put them in a f?c and watch the cubensis appear




Sorry, I just don't see it.  I noc'd up 5 jars of cubes the same day as these, and they have been in the FC for almost a week.  They all grew at about the same rate, with 2 jars being 3-4 days behind the others, and all germinated about the same time.

These germinated in the jars a full week later than the cubes, and the myc doesn't look the same.  It's denser, with less stringy rhizomorphic (? think that's the right term) myc.  It also did not colonize at the same rate as the other jars from the same syringe, this being the first and only to be at 100% so far.  2 of them aren't even at 50%.

The appearance and growth pattern is completely different than the cubes I noc'd up at the same time.  Plus, these pins appeared after I dropped the temp down to about 60* on this jar.

Obviously I can't say for sure at this point, but I just don't think that's the case.  I will know for sure after I spawn to wood chips, though, as I don't think cubes will colonize wood chips.

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Re: Azurescens brf cake pinning in the jar?? (pics) [Re: shroomerite]
    #15662108 - 01/13/12 06:40 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Unfortunately I'm too new to have the ability to clone, all I have is a simple still air box and basic supplies.

Thanks everyone for your input!




If you got this far, you have the ability. I have only ever used a SAB. Take a clean knife, take a small speck from the inside of the stem when it's bigger and put it in a grain jar or LC. It's so easy.




Hmm, ok I'll do some more research and see if I can make this happen.  Unfortunately I do have my chips pasteurized and soaking right now so I'm not sure how long I can wait to spawn to let them get bigger.

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Re: Azurescens brf cake pinning in the jar?? (pics) [Re: tdmm]
    #15662139 - 01/13/12 06:49 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

don 't spawn them at all fruit them as cakes, as you can see they are forming primordia. If you break them up now your chances of getting fruits is gonna drop to like 5%. Fruit them and show us the pics. I thought the same thing (except about ovoids instead of azures) but then I found out. It don't happen

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Re: Azurescens brf cake pinning in the jar?? (pics) [Re: tdmm]
    #15664520 - 01/14/12 09:53 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Ok so here's a pic of the largest pin today, it has definitely grown.



Now on whether or not these are actually cube spores I have growing in here, I think I am realizing that may be more likely than I thought yesterday.

1) The vendor I bought spores from (again, it's against the forum rules for me to name names, but it's someone everyone here would agree is a trustworthy vendor) puts a little sticker on each syringe he ships indicating the strain.  These can get knocked around during shipping and maybe the sticker got moved??  This would be upsetting because I've knocked up jars with the other syringes and so now I'd have no idea which batch is which.
2) Vendor could have made a mistake putting the sticker on or been given the wrong spores from a supplier.

At any rate, here's another question in helping to identify what it is that is growing here.

The pics make it harder to see, but this is another jar of the same syringe that is now pinning that is almost 100% colonized.  There's one innoc point there that the myc grew out slower, denser and whiter - and you can see where it met the other myc that looks different.  Any chance there were cube AND azure spores in this syringe for some reason and there's two different species growing here??  Or can genetics make myc look so much different on the same species?





So what's the verdict shroomery?  Are these jars really cubes?  If so, what are the odds one of my other batches from the same shipment is actually azures?

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Re: Azurescens brf cake pinning in the jar?? (pics) [Re: tdmm]
    #15664543 - 01/14/12 09:59 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Definitely looks cubeish

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Re: Azurescens brf cake pinning in the jar?? (pics) [Re: semaphore]
    #15664595 - 01/14/12 10:14 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Cubes cubes and more cubes.  It was probably 2. wrong spores from supplier.  Vendors can get dicked around by there suppliers.  If I was to sell prints to a vendor I would get more money for an azure over a cube.  The people who grow and make the print for the vendor get very little of the final markup. 

Ive had jars looking like yours also.  I thought it was 2 different incompatible myc growths meeting

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