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Michael Savage Offers Gingrich $1M to Drop Out of Race
    #15511059 - 12/13/11 02:49 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

:lol:, Republicans.

Just for the record, I think Michael Savage is a total turd, but I think this is a hilarious proposition.

I'm not sure about the validity of his concerns about Newt, maybe one our current crop of Gingrich supporters and apologists could discuss them.

At any rate, his basic assertion is that Romney could beat Obama for certain while a Newt campaign would be DOA.  I can't agree with this.  Obama faces a tough road against anyone and I think both candidates have an equal shot to unseat him.

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Talk-radio host Michael Savage says America can't survive another four years of Barack Obama, and he's putting his money where his mouth is, offering Republican presidential contender Newt Gingrich $1 million to drop out of the race within 72 hours.

Savage says that while rival Mitt Romney is not entirely satisfying to conservatives, the former Massachusetts governor can beat Obama. Gingrich, on the other hand, according to Savage, is "unelectable."

"If Newt Gingrich really loves this country as much as he says he does, if he really wants what is best for America, he will set his ego aside, call me and accept my offer," Savage wrote on his website today.

"His continued candidacy spells nothing but ruin for conservatives, Republicans and all true American patriots," he continued. "One million dollars in exchange for preserving the nation, Newt. I say take the money … and don't run."

Talk-radio host Michael Savage says America can't survive another four years of Barack Obama, and he's putting his money where his mouth is, offering Republican presidential contender Newt Gingrich $1 million to drop out of the race within 72 hours.

Savage says that while rival Mitt Romney is not entirely satisfying to conservatives, the former Massachusetts governor can beat Obama. Gingrich, on the other hand, according to Savage, is "unelectable."

"If Newt Gingrich really loves this country as much as he says he does, if he really wants what is best for America, he will set his ego aside, call me and accept my offer," Savage wrote on his website today.

"His continued candidacy spells nothing but ruin for conservatives, Republicans and all true American patriots," he continued. "One million dollars in exchange for preserving the nation, Newt. I say take the money … and don't run."

Savage noted that the Republican presidential field has come down to two candidates who have a real chance of getting the nomination, Gingrich and Romney.

"While it's true that Romney is not as strong a conservative as many would like him to be, the most pressing issue before America today is defeating Barack Obama," he said. "And that is something Newt Gingrich cannot do."

Savage outlined the reasons he believes Gingrich can't win the general election:

    When he was speaker of the House, he failed to deliver on his so-called Contract with America;

    He made ads with Nancy Pelosi promoting the false theory of global warming;

    He's in favor of amnesty for illegal aliens;

    He's taken hundreds of thousands of dollars from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, two of the most corrupt financial institutions in history;

    He's cheated on two wives, which will destroy his chances among female voters;

    He called the Republican plan to reform Medicare "right-wing social engineering";

    In a presidential debate against Obama, regardless of how well he does, on television he will come off badly compared to Obama and look like nothing more than what he is: A fat, old white man.

Last week on his nationally syndicated show, Savage warned that if Obama wins re-election, America will become like Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez's dictatorship.

Savage's show airs live Monday through Friday from 6 p.m. to 9 p.m. Eastern. It can be heard online through stations such as WTNT in the nation's capital.




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Re: Michael Savage Offers Gingrich $1M to Drop Out of Race [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #15511421 - 12/13/11 04:10 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

what a shitshow.


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Re: Michael Savage Offers Gingrich $1M to Drop Out of Race [Re: wildchild68]
    #15511583 - 12/13/11 04:43 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I bet you $10,000 he won't take the offer. :smilingpuppy:


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Re: Michael Savage Offers Gingrich $1M to Drop Out of Race [Re: dtowntoker]
    #15511605 - 12/13/11 04:47 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I see what you did there...


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Re: Michael Savage Offers Gingrich $1M to Drop Out of Race [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #15513266 - 12/13/11 10:52 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

He should put the money to work fighting against this stupid partisan election system we have that allows a candidate to win who has less support, just because one side's ideology is split.

Instant runoff voting is one proposition I've heard advocated by Nader and Michael Moore, and I think I'm for it.  Give people three votes of diminishing tiers and if noone gets a majority of first tier votes then consider second tier and first tier votes, and so forth.  Other options for calculating the winners and contingency plans would be fine, but the point is that we need to stop disenfranchising people who happen to have more than one appealing candidate representing their interests in an election.

This would also cut out the stupid "lesser of two evils" argument used by the ignorant and stupid to justify their ignorance and stupidity in voting for people they think are evil.  I can better acknowledge abstinance than purposelly supporting someone you think bad for the country.

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Re: Michael Savage Offers Gingrich $1M to Drop Out of Race [Re: johnm214]
    #15513407 - 12/13/11 11:30 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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This would also cut out the stupid "lesser of two evils" argument used by the ignorant and stupid to justify their ignorance and stupidity in voting for people they think are evil.  I can better acknowledge abstinance than purposelly supporting someone you think bad for the country.






The ignorant and stupid ... also known as realists.


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Re: Michael Savage Offers Gingrich $1M to Drop Out of Race [Re: dtowntoker]
    #15513635 - 12/14/11 12:29 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

What is "realistic" about having:
a) only two candidates for the presdiential election (or hell, any high office except in states with overtly exclusionary ballott access provisions), or
b) having to vote for an evil candidate?

The concept is simply an excuse for those too ignorant of the race to justify their decision, and sometimes even an excuse for not familiarizing themselves with the office and candidates (yet these same folks often bitch about money tainting the election when they are exactly the uninvolved masses the candidates are forced to buy ads to reach).

Its also an excuse for those who face disonance in recognizing the counterproductive results of their vote and the fact that they could have forseen such had they responsibly evaluated the choices (see: those who supported Obama and yet were surprised with Obama's changing positions on marijuana, the patriot act, the wiretap laws/FISA, the mandatory insurance purchases, the bailouts, the immunity for illegal spying/privacy violations by telecom companies, and so forth).

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Re: Michael Savage Offers Gingrich $1M to Drop Out of Race [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #15513768 - 12/14/11 01:22 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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At any rate, his basic assertion is that Romney could beat Obama for certain while a Newt campaign would be DOA.  I can't agree with this.  Obama faces a tough road against anyone and I think both candidates have an equal shot to unseat him.




Personally, I do think that Romney has better chances than Gingrich to beat Obama; however, it's becoming more clear that he's not all that strong of a candidate, and, while he'd be more able to utilize the advantage of the popular sentiment that is unfavorable to Obama's reelection than Gingrich, it certainly isn't out of the question for Obama to run a strong campaign against him and take him out. Gingrich, on the other hand, I think, is much more unlikely to be able to win. Obama would have a lot of hard work ahead of him, but I just don't think Gingrich has what it takes to win the general election.


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Re: Michael Savage Offers Gingrich $1M to Drop Out of Race [Re: fireworks_god]
    #15517382 - 12/14/11 07:27 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

http://townhall.com/columnists/awrhawkins/2011/12/14/mark_levin_to_michael_savage_100000_to_turn_off_the_mic

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As everyone probably knows by now, on December 12th talk show host Michael Savage offered Newt Gingrich $1 million to get drop out of the presidential race within 72 hours. Why? Savage says it’s because Mitt Romney is the only person who can beat Barack Obama. Savage didn’t bother explaining why Romney seems unable to beat Newt.

This begs the question: Why would we ever think a candidate the people refuse to support in the primaries—Romney—will be able to beat Obama in the general election?

Bottom line: Savage is “out of touch,” or at least that’s how "the great one," Mark Levin, described him when he countered the offer to Newt by promising to give Savage $100,000 if he’d quit radio altogether.

Said Levin: “I see wiener nation’s trying to get his ratings back. That won’t happen. He wants to offer Newt $1 million to get out of the race. …Is that a legal bribe? But I have an idea, if it’s legal…I’ll offer $100,000 if wiener nation gets off the air on every station and resigns forever from radio tomorrow.

Added Levin: “I’ll give him 12 hours to make a decision. And that’s extremely generous on my part because…he’s losing affiliates left and right. …He’s out of touch.”

I know Newt won’t take Savage’s offer—and he shouldn’t—but Savage could certainly save a little face by taking Levin’s, and stepping away on his own terms instead of sticking around to let Levin, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity divvy up Savage’s shrinking audience in a manner that best suits them.Savage is a has been, a once was, a used-to-could. Levin, Limbaugh, and Hannity are forces to be reckoned with.





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Re: Michael Savage Offers Gingrich $1M to Drop Out of Race [Re: zappaisgod]
    #15519158 - 12/15/11 03:58 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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This begs the question: Why would we ever think a candidate the people refuse to support in the primaries—Romney—will be able to beat Obama in the general election?








I can't conceive how it begs this question. On the one hand, it isn't as if everyone refuses to support Romney in the primaries. He's still a front-runner. Secondly, electability in the primary certainly isn't equivalent to electability in the general election. It's hard to imagine how we could ever think that this could be the case, you know, considering just how much the polls indicate that this would be the case. :lol:
I feel kind of awkward for mentioning all of this, though... like it should have already been understood or something. :grin:


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Re: Michael Savage Offers Gingrich $1M to Drop Out of Race [Re: fireworks_god]
    #15522588 - 12/15/11 07:02 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

You are spot on.  The general election includes a hugely different population than the Republican or Democrat primary voter.


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Re: Michael Savage Offers Gingrich $1M to Drop Out of Race [Re: zappaisgod]
    #15524146 - 12/16/11 12:57 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but I wouldn't say "hugely different". It just seems the case that Romney appeal enough to a huge chunk of Republican voters to enjoy front-runner status, so that, even if the rest of the Republicans more or less have to settle for him, perhaps with slightly less turn-out, the fact that he's much more capable of battling Obama for the huge swath of independent voters than Romney ever could be, perhaps even some disaffected Democrats. He could be in a true Reagan-type situation here. It's no surprise, on the other hand, that a lot of congressional Republicans are worried about the prospects of Gingrich getting the nomination. They actually want to strengthen their gains in the House and capture the Senate. :grin:


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Re: Michael Savage Offers Gingrich $1M to Drop Out of Race [Re: fireworks_god] * 1
    #15524667 - 12/16/11 05:12 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Nearly a decade of zappa-wrangling and careful observation lead me to the deduction, with some degree of certainty, that he was not being sarcastic in the above post.

Of course, it should always be remembered that zappas in their natural habitat have a great capacity for deception and one should never presume to actually know what such a creature is really thinking.

Familiarity with these dangerous beast is, it goes without saying, dangerous and cannot be recommended by this author.


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Re: Michael Savage Offers Gingrich $1M to Drop Out of Race [Re: fireworks_god]
    #15524982 - 12/16/11 07:57 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

> I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but I wouldn't say "hugely different".

I don't think he is being sarcastic, and I would agree with him.  Primary voters tend to be more serious about politics and better informed about their political party compared to the general election voters.  Most general election voters are voting against the other party while most primary election voters are voting for somebody to represent their interests.


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Re: Michael Savage Offers Gingrich $1M to Drop Out of Race [Re: Seuss]
    #15525129 - 12/16/11 08:40 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I also recognize what you are saying; I just prefer to consider it a difference, not a "huge" difference. Clearly primary voters are more involved and have the tendency to inform themselves more.
I thought maybe he was being sarcastic because he said I was spot on after dismissing a key point from the article he posted. :grin:


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Re: Michael Savage Offers Gingrich $1M to Drop Out of Race [Re: fireworks_god]
    #15526318 - 12/16/11 01:46 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Newts Judicial reform plan is quite wild, I dont know how alot of conservatives could back such a thing. I find it awesome that savage would do something like that, haha. I would much rather listen to savage then, rush, or hannity.


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Re: Michael Savage Offers Gingrich $1M to Drop Out of Race [Re: zappaisgod]
    #15659234 - 01/13/12 07:24 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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http://townhall.com/columnists/awrhawkins/2011/12/14/mark_levin_to_michael_savage_100000_to_turn_off_the_mic

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As everyone probably knows by now, on December 12th talk show host Michael Savage offered Newt Gingrich $1 million to get drop out of the presidential race within 72 hours. Why? Savage says it’s because Mitt Romney is the only person who can beat Barack Obama. Savage didn’t bother explaining why Romney seems unable to beat Newt.

This begs the question: Why would we ever think a candidate the people refuse to support in the primaries—Romney—will be able to beat Obama in the general election?

Bottom line: Savage is “out of touch,” or at least that’s how "the great one," Mark Levin, described him when he countered the offer to Newt by promising to give Savage $100,000 if he’d quit radio altogether.

Said Levin: “I see wiener nation’s trying to get his ratings back. That won’t happen. He wants to offer Newt $1 million to get out of the race. …Is that a legal bribe? But I have an idea, if it’s legal…I’ll offer $100,000 if wiener nation gets off the air on every station and resigns forever from radio tomorrow.

Added Levin: “I’ll give him 12 hours to make a decision. And that’s extremely generous on my part because…he’s losing affiliates left and right. …He’s out of touch.”

I know Newt won’t take Savage’s offer—and he shouldn’t—but Savage could certainly save a little face by taking Levin’s, and stepping away on his own terms instead of sticking around to let Levin, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity divvy up Savage’s shrinking audience in a manner that best suits them.Savage is a has been, a once was, a used-to-could. Levin, Limbaugh, and Hannity are forces to be reckoned with.








I find it funny that Levin is throwing stones at Savage when his (Levin's) show has lower ratings. Green is a terrible color on anyone. Seriously, if Savage is out of touch and his show is better rated, what does that make Levin?

Gingrich was a trap for the tea party. They were being herded like animals using their anti-Romney sentiment right to Gingrich. Newt is a progressive and would have been a disaster against Obama. Luckily, it looks like Savage can keep his money. The people have figured it out and Newt's numbers hit the floor.

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Re: Michael Savage Offers Gingrich $1M to Drop Out of Race [Re: setb]
    #15659455 - 01/13/12 08:42 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

1M is chump change.


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