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When preparing WBS...
    #15650354 - 01/11/12 02:05 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

...remove the floaters or not...
Keep the floaters,or remove the floaters
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Keep them, they don't hurt anything
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Remove them, they are harmful
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Re: When preparing WBS... [Re: dammdoggs]
    #15650362 - 01/11/12 02:07 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

traditionally people have removed the floaters and sunflower seeds. I always have but plenty of people don't, so I guess it don't really matter

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Re: When preparing WBS... [Re: SomeGuy]
    #15650404 - 01/11/12 02:14 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

Can anyone provide any actual evidence... one way or the other? Is there anything scientific here we can look to?

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Re: When preparing WBS... [Re: dammdoggs]
    #15650502 - 01/11/12 02:34 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

I would say removing floaters or not is personal preference, as leaving them in probably means you will lose a majority of them anyways during preparation.

I personally find leaving floaters in just means they aren't going to hydrate very well while they are floating during soaking.

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Re: When preparing WBS... [Re: dammdoggs]
    #15650526 - 01/11/12 02:38 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

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Can anyone provide any actual evidence... one way or the other? Is there anything scientific here we can look to?



not that I know of, other than common sense. Common sense says that the reason the floaters float is because they are hollow and therefor don't have a lot in the way of nutrition.
    If you read some wbs prep teks 90% of them say to remove the floaters and sunflowerseeds, but then you will see a couple that say they put the sunflower seeds back in there with no problems.
It's been done both ways sucessfully thousands of times

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Re: When preparing WBS... [Re: Hartge]
    #15650529 - 01/11/12 02:39 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

So it sounds like since they are floating, they are hollow (duh)... which would greatly hinder their ability to retain moisture... where as the non-floaters are more dense, the moisture retention is much greater.

Is %100 water retention critical? Is as close as you can get to complete water retention the best approach (AKA removing floaters)?

Funny thing... I'll know the answer to this (Regarding my birdseed anwyay) in about 2 weeks...lol

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Re: When preparing WBS... [Re: dammdoggs]
    #15650553 - 01/11/12 02:44 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

Also they take up like 15-20% of mass. If they arent nutritional for mycelium then its just going to hinder the amount of time it takes to colonize and allow for a higher chance for contaminations


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Re: When preparing WBS... [Re: dammdoggs]
    #15650563 - 01/11/12 02:45 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

Leave the "floaters" (millet and sunflower seed).  They provide extra inoculation points to the bulk substrate.  Sunflower seeds also contain lignin and other lipids and oils which are beneficial to the growth of mushroom mycelium.  Don't soak your birdseed for longer then 24 hours.


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Re: When preparing WBS... [Re: iamu]
    #15650576 - 01/11/12 02:47 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

actually 100% moisture retention is no good. It doesn't take many tries to find out your grains can be too wet, especially if you over-simmer it

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Re: When preparing WBS... [Re: hamloaf]
    #15650602 - 01/11/12 02:52 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

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Leave the "floaters" (millet and sunflower seed).  They provide extra inoculation points to the bulk substrate.  Sunflower seeds also contain lignin and other lipids and oils which are beneficial to the growth of mushroom mycelium.  Don't soak your birdseed for longer then 24 hours.



but wouldn't you agree that if you took out the hollow millet, it would therefor be replaced with good millet and would therefor be better.
IE 2 jars with equal spawn, one with a bunch of hollow grain and one with it all removed, the latter would be better?
I know you'll disagree ham, just for the sake of being contrary, but in reality, is that not true?

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Re: When preparing WBS... [Re: SomeGuy]
    #15650823 - 01/11/12 03:38 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

The mix of low and high density seeds will help the myc grow vigorously; The lower neut value helps select for the ropey rhisomorhic mycilium you want.


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Re: When preparing WBS... [Re: Eywa_devotee]
    #15749135 - 02/01/12 08:37 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

It also is easier to spot contams on the ligther colored seeds, although over time your eye becomes more trained to spot those sorts of things anyways; regardless, its still a good practice to have.

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Re: When preparing WBS... [Re: bhargavd18]
    #15749266 - 02/01/12 09:06 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Floaters are NOT hollow.  Grab one off the top and try to pop it with your fingernail.  If it were hollow, it should squish pretty easily.  They do not. If you cut one open with a sharp knife, you will see they are normal grains. I leave em in.

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