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Pantheism
    #15637050 - 01/08/12 09:20 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Pantheism is the belief that God (divinity) and nature (the cosmos) are one in the same.

pan - all
theos - god

in otherwords, "God" is the sum of all existence, nothing more, nothing less.

no supernatural diety.


To me pantheism is the most superior spiritual concept.

it beats atheism, and supernatural diety concepts.

it bridges the gap between science and spirituality, and gives science a reason and modivation - reverence, and better understanding to relate to our god - the cosmos.

patheism is completely in complience with science, for example - Einstein was a pantheist, so was newton and many more prominent scientists.

it is their reverence and sheer awe of the cosmos (god) that ispired many of them to do great things.

i really wish i could link a movie about einstein's pantheism... id appreciate it if someone would help me out and post one.

so anyways.... lets discuss pantheism!

go ahead and try to debunk pantheism, i think you will have a very hard time.


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Re: Pantheism [Re: Shins]
    #15637126 - 01/08/12 09:38 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Pantheism = Sexed up atheism.


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Re: Pantheism [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #15637150 - 01/08/12 09:43 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I agree!

From Christopher Ott

"..Also, a crisis occurs when the sky-daddy God based on Greek myths (such as Zeus and Apollo) is supplanted by a more refined concept such as Brahman or Paramatma or Over-soul. This transition from imagining God as a 'thing' analogous to things we see, to understanding God as the source of things seen, i.e. consciousness, is very hard for the mind to accomplish without encountering a few bumps along the way. It has convulsions, confusions, reactions. It can even go insane. Several German idealists went entirely insane in the 19th century trying to grapple with the issues.

All this is elegantly rectified in God Speaks. And for those who feel their heads are getting clear enough to move on, there is also Infinite Intelligence."

The idea that God is reality is the only conception of God that works.


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Re: Pantheism [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #15637151 - 01/08/12 09:43 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

"sexed up atheism"

Who said that again?

wasnt it Richard Dawkins, fanatic atheist supreme?

i obviously agree.

many atheists are probably actually pantheist without knowing it.


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Re: Pantheism [Re: soldatheero]
    #15637172 - 01/08/12 09:47 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Sold: i would also like to point out that pantheism was the OG (original) monotheist concept.


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Re: Pantheism [Re: Shins]
    #15637221 - 01/08/12 09:59 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

It was. That Chris guy from that quote actually believes there was an intentional effort to pervert the early Church into a pagan religion. He talks about the famous painting by Michelangelo and how it depicts God as a bearded old man is a blasphemy, he mentions another massive statue they created which basically looks identical to Zeus. He thinks powerful atheists purposely hijacked the church and reduced the early much more sophisticated understandings of God into a "mere jin" to be feared.

He had a big article on his blog but seems hes removed it. It was the coolest "conspiracy theory" iv ever heard in my life.


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Re: Pantheism [Re: soldatheero]
    #15637264 - 01/08/12 10:11 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

You know i totally think thats not far from true.

keep in mind that Paganism is also pantheist... there are good "witches" and bad.

jesus and early "judaism" were very likely pantheist, but some corrupt anti-christs intentionally misconscrued it because they figured out religion can be a great tool to control people and gain worldly power to elevate -themselves- to status of god, much like egyptian pharoes, who the early jews were trying to escape.

a lot of what jesus said showed he was very much pantheist.

there are also rumors that he went and learned eastern pantheism in kashmir (or something?) for all those (17?) years he was missing.


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Re: Pantheism [Re: Shins]
    #15637311 - 01/08/12 10:30 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah I think they edited out anything regarding rebirth as well, anything self-empowering really.. All the ideas about us all being one with God. Instead hell and the Devil became of utmost importance..

Chris has some videos on his blog about Jesus in India.

Meher
“There is one secret about Jesus which the Christians do not know. When Jesus was crucified, he did not die. He entered the state of Nirvikalp Samadhi (the I-am-God state without bodily consciousness). On the third day, he again became conscious of his body, and he traveled secretly in disguise eastward (with some apostles) to India. This was called Jesus' resurrection. After reaching India, he traveled farther east to Rangoon, in Burma, where he remained for some time. He then went north to Kashmir, where he settled. When his work was finished on earth, he dropped his body and entered Nirvikalp Samadhi permanently. Saints in India have verified these facts about Jesus' travels. Mankind will soon become aware of the true life of Jesus.” [23 August 1925, Meherabad, LM3 p752]

http://www.meherbabawords.blogspot.com/2009/04/jesus-in-india-trailer.html

He believes in Meher Baba and he stated that Jesus did indeed go there. He also said that the shroud of turin is real. This is interesting as apparently there are physical anomalies as to how the image was actually created on the shroud.. they also incorrectly dated the shroud and decaled it was fake. They took a sample from a small portion of the shroud that was sewn on as a patch.

Interesting videos..





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Re: Pantheism [Re: soldatheero]
    #15637343 - 01/08/12 10:39 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Jesus in India, Thomas & Kerala Christians
Unfortunately, this knowledge almost became lost for various reasons, not the least of which was outside (Church) interference. For example, the original teachings of the St. Thomas Christians of India, also known as the Kerala Christians, did not include the idea that Jesus was the son of God. Those teachings also did not include the idea of the virgin birth, and Mary was not considered the “mother of God.”(See W.R. Phillips', The Thirty-four Conferences between the Danish Missionaries and the Malabar Brahmans (Christians) in the East Indies, 15.)

Portugese coercion against the St. Thomas Christians of India also accounted for the change in their original teachings, as the Portuguese were determined to force St. Thomas Christians to adopt the doctrines of Western Christianity, specifically, in their case, the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church. An example of this coercion can be found in the Decree of the Synod of Diamper, near Cochin. This Synod was presided over by Archbishop Manzes. This decree forced the St. Thomas Christians of India to formally renounce their previous beliefs, and to adopt such Western Christian beliefs as Mary being the "mother of God."
The decree also forced them to use images, something that they had previously abhored. In fact, when the Portugese first introduced images to the St. Thomas Christians, their reply was, "We are Christians, not idolaters." (Gibbon, Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire, Vol. 6, 52).

As it says at the Church of South India website:

"Great confusion resulted from the arrival of Portuguese missionaries and Portuguese colonial rule at the end of the 15th century. Some of the Malabar Christians were converted outright to Western Christianity; others, although preserving parts of their liturgy and some of their customs, recognized the supremacy of the pope. Force and coercion were widely used to achieve these results."

Some Jesus-in-India writers believe that St. Thomas was with Jesus in Kashmir, and then went to south India to preach Jesus' message--a message, as you can see from above, that apparently had nothing to do with Western Christianity. Some Malabar history reports that the Portuguese would even resort to murder to coerce St. Thomas Christians to accept Western Christianity.

These days, opponents of the Jesus-in-India theory attempt to point to the St. Thomas Christians of India as "proof" that Jesus could not have gone to India. They claim that since the St. Thomas (Kerala, Malabar) Christians practiced Western Christianity, this shows that the Jesus-in-India theory is not true, since it opposes the idea that Jesus died on the cross. But the St. Thomas Christians did not originally believe that Jesus was the "son of God," as we mentioned above.  So, it is fair to state, or speculate, that their original canon, before the Portugese interference, may not have included the doctrines of the standard Christian canon of the Church of Rome, such as the death, physical resurrection, and ascention of Jesus.  Might the Kerala Christians have know, in fact, that Jesus had journed to Kashmir?

It is interesting to note that the Catholic Encyclopedia online claims that in the year 1604, a Jesuit recorded the original teachings of the Kerala Christians in what is called a "Report." Now, what is interesting is that that "Report" has not been made public since the year 1604, when it was first written. In short, for 404 years, the Catholic Church has apparently hidden from public this Jesuit priests' report that recorded what the original teachings of the St. Thomas Christians of India were. Even if the report were published tomorrow, after 404 years one would naturally wonder whether or not the report remains unchanged. Did the original report contain information about Jesus in India? Does it seem reasonable that that report has not been published in 404 years?

We believe that this is an example of why it is now important to begin to listen to those people of the East who not only have documents that show that Jesus went to India, but also have their oral traditions which state the same.





http://www.tombofjesus.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=94&catid=51&Itemid=66


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Re: Pantheism [Re: soldatheero]
    #15638611 - 01/09/12 05:39 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

There is no evidence for an historical person called Jesus of Nazareth. As John M. Allegro reveals in his book The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross, 'Jesus' or 'Chrestos' was a psychoactive fungus the initiates of the Jesus cult consumed ('and the Word became Flesh') This makes complete sense when we take into account how indigenous cultures in the 'new world'--for example--who had not even HEARD of the Jesus myth before the violent advocates of it regrettably landed on their soil--ALSo very much had ancient terms for their psychedelic fungi and plants which shows the primodial and global pattern for referring to this powerful vegetations in this way. Example, amongst other names, the Ayahuasceros call their mind-altering plants 'Plant Teachers'

You can read piles and piles and piles of words about this or that. You could read books and books on the subject of 'love', but UNTIL you experience that feeling you don't know, right? Same is so with ecstatic experience. I could read lots and lots about so-called 'pantheism' meaning that nature is alive, but UNTIl the actual experience it is just ideas. Well I didn't read ANY heavy shit books when I was a young kid of 15, but as soon as i eat LSD I SAW FELT EXPERIENCED nature as very much alive, and these experiences have inspired my life, and exploring about this, and why this sense has been lost so that the cultural paradigm is that nature is a machine and 'dead'!

An important thing to know is that it is Goddess mythology which is truly understanding nature is alive, and that there is no hierarchy between male and female. For example, the anceint Greeks were pantheistic but had this polytheistic concept of these gods--fully human--with Zeus at the top, and the Goddess had already been subjugated side roles--for example Hera being birthed from Zeus's brain.

the Jesus myth is a solar myth, and tyhe only aspect of the Goddess in the Cattholic version is the meek and mild Virgin Mary. And powerful sexual aspect of the Goddess is demonized as 'witch'--not only in religion, but fairy stories.

Plato, even though he was pantheistic and talked of a 'worldsoul' he believed that the 'masculine spirit' was superior to the 'feminine matter'.


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Re: Pantheism [Re: zzripz]
    #15638808 - 01/09/12 07:06 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Jesus was a -nazerene- if anything... a zadokite priest. 

jesus mirrors so many other pantheist "christs" such as; krisna, bhuddah, osirus, mythra and so on.

i believe jesus was alive and real, but not the first christ of his kind.

The Gospel of Thomas (censored) is also especially interesting; it is very pantheist in nature, but was left out of the bible.


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Re: Pantheism [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #15638888 - 01/09/12 07:34 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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reeferaddict69 said:
Pantheism = Sexed up atheism.



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Re: Pantheism [Re: NetDiver]
    #15649859 - 01/11/12 12:16 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Samurai Drifter said:
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reeferaddict69 said:
Pantheism = Sexed up atheism.



:bigyesnod:




I am assuming an important aspect of this god religious belief is a creator being, so god being neither creator or a being essence means one could be simultaniously pantheist, and atheist, and buddhist for that matter.


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Re: Pantheism [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #15649892 - 01/11/12 12:25 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

how can pantheism be considered a sexed up version of atheism when a pantheist sees god in a blade of grass?

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Re: Pantheism [Re: cateyes]
    #15650053 - 01/11/12 01:00 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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cateyes said:
how can pantheism be considered a sexed up version of atheism when a pantheist sees god in a blade of grass?

Kensho :psychsplit:




Pantheism isnt just so poetic. A pantheist would simply see god as nature/structure of nature. So that dog turd is god and so is the math homework, and the herpes. Buddhism also recognizes physical structure, as does Atheism.


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