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Re: Two 5lb Horse-Poo Substrate BAGS! [Grow Log!] (Questions!) [Pics!] [Re: Javadog]
    #15649596 - 01/11/12 10:58 AM (13 years, 9 days ago)

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So if they don't recover from the crumbled state, will I have to open them up and mist them?

I hope there was no contam in them, I don't think there was because of the pure smell they had of soil and mushrooms.




You want to keep the bag shut until the sub is fully colonized.

A slightly dry sub is much preferred over a slightly wet sub.

When you pick the bag up, you are feeling the water weight to a large
degree.  Do they feel light?

If there is no option, then you can boil a syringe, fill it with sterile
water, and inject it into the bag.  Do not open the bag to do this!

Good luck,

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No they aren't too light, but we'll see if the mycelium spreads in a couple days.

How long should I let the bag consolidate for after it has reached 100% colonization? I know it's generally a week for PF jars, but how long would you personally let it consolidate for?


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    #15649696 - 01/11/12 11:23 AM (13 years, 9 days ago)

Well, in the best case I can see primordia and knotting appearing on the sub.

A week is a good mark otherwise.

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    #15674607 - 01/16/12 05:16 PM (13 years, 4 days ago)

I just got back from the beach today and heres what my bags looked like:



One of the bags kind of smells like a wet wash cloth almost.. and there is a very fuzzy white material that appears to be on top of the mycelium, but it might just be part of the mycelium, im not too sure.

Are these signs of cobweb? I hope not!


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    #15675505 - 01/16/12 08:48 PM (13 years, 4 days ago)

hmm, its hard to tell from the pics.

that smell doesnt sound like normal myc to me, but idk.. id just wait it out and see how it looks/smells tomorrow.

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    #15676847 - 01/17/12 06:17 AM (13 years, 3 days ago)

I totally agree with the wet washcloth sentiment.  That's what mine has always smelled like.

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    #15695392 - 01/20/12 10:15 PM (13 years, 2 hours ago)

Ok so the bags don't seem to want to finish colonizing and they both started pushing out what seems to be premature pins. They're anywhere from a mm to an inch big, most spawning at the top. The mycelium does seem to have a brownish color to it, but i thought that was just the substrate kind of staining it.. maybe not.

Can anyone chime in with some personal experience?

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Help is very appreciated

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    #15695418 - 01/20/12 10:21 PM (13 years, 2 hours ago)

Photos will help, but it sounds like you have an infected
sub (bacteria).  This can cause fruiting before 100% colonization.

Take a whiff near the filter.  What do you smell?

Post a photo, and good luck,

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    #15695425 - 01/20/12 10:24 PM (13 years, 2 hours ago)

Best thing you can do, in the future, is to create about five (or ten) bags; do 'em up with different colonized jars of different strains from different inoc solutions.  That way, yer heart ain't set on the results of one single bag, which may go funky on ya.

As for this time, you may be screwed.  Now that it's pinning, you can't crumble the myc and hope for recolonization ('cos the pins will mold inside the re-crumbled bag and you'll be fucked).  You can't very well open the bag and "pick the pins," 'cos the rest of the chunk has not finished colonizing.

Likely, you're gonna lost this one.  I've had it happen.  Not heartbreaking, if it's only one of five or ten bags going at the same time, tho.  (So, see paragraph #1.)  :shrug:

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    #15733229 - 01/29/12 11:41 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

So I just checked on the bags after leaving them alone in the dark closet for a few days to see what would happen... and the pins actually grew quite a bit and no green trich has come up like I was half expecting, but they are pretty fuzzy with white cotton like material on the pins and on certain spots of the bags.

The mushroom caps are so tiny.. some of the stems of the pins are turning blue and a couple of the caps look like theyre starting to decay..



Are they edible?

The sub seems to have a brownish caramel tint to it.. and it smells pretty mushroomy with a slight wet washcloth smell from the patch. I just put them in the sunlight to see if that will help the caps any.

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Re: Two 5lb Horse-Poo Substrate BAGS! [Grow Log!] (Questions!) [Pics!] [Re: QuestionableGuy]
    #15733505 - 01/29/12 12:40 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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So I just checked on the bags after leaving them alone in the dark closet for a few days to see what would happen... and the pins actually grew quite a bit and no green trich has come up like I was half expecting, but they are pretty fuzzy with white cotton like material on the pins and on certain spots of the bags.

The mushroom caps are so tiny.. some of the stems of the pins are turning blue and a couple of the caps look like theyre starting to decay..



Are they edible?

The sub seems to have a brownish caramel tint to it.. and it smells pretty mushroomy with a slight wet washcloth smell from the patch. I just put them in the sunlight to see if that will help the caps any.

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OPEN THE BAG!

The mushrooms are skinny and tiny capped due to lack of light and excess Co2 in the bag.

If its infected or questionable. Take it outside cut it open give it some fresh air, and then clothespin back shut.

If its indeed contaminated leave it outside..or keep it out of your grow area. But even if there is a contamination the substrate will put out one good flush if pins already developed.

Leaving the bag shut will lead to your fruits going bad and probably further the growth of contamination.

If you expose the sub to Fresh air now and light, it will improve the the yield of your harvest. Fresh Air is your best friend against contams(Okay not your best friend but it is your homie!)

Just make sure to do this away from your current other grows so as not to infect the area with a heavy mold spore deposit...


As for your fruits, if they show no signs of mold or decay(blackness) they are safe to eat or make tea with.

The brownish caramel tint/fluid is the substrate excreting enzymes. Nothing to be concerned about, this is how fungi eat. However if there is excessive fluid of this color it could be because the sub is in too hot of an environment and is "sweating" so too speak. Make sure your fruiting temps are around 67 - 75 degrees F.

If you have not heard of a shotgun fruiting chamber, it is a cheap inexpensive way for you to provide plenty of fresh air exchange coupled with humidity and light. Here is a link to a video describing how to make one easily with very little work/expense. It's the third video

Thanks :rr:





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    #15733626 - 01/29/12 01:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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OPEN THE BAG!

The mushrooms are skinny and tiny capped due to lack of light and excess Co2 in the bag.

If its infected or questionable. Take it outside cut it open give it some fresh air, and then clothespin back shut.

If its indeed contaminated leave it outside..or keep it out of your grow area. But even if there is a contamination the substrate will put out one good flush if pins already developed.

Leaving the bag shut will lead to your fruits going bad and probably further the growth of contamination.

If you expose the sub to Fresh air now and light, it will improve the the yield of your harvest. Fresh Air is your best friend against contams(Okay not your best friend but it is your homie!)

Just make sure to do this away from your current other grows so as not to infect the area with a heavy mold spore deposit...


As for your fruits, if they show no signs of mold or decay(blackness) they are safe to eat or make tea with.

The brownish caramel tint/fluid is the substrate excreting enzymes. Nothing to be concerned about, this is how fungi eat. However if there is excessive fluid of this color it could be because the sub is in too hot of an environment and is "sweating" so too speak. Make sure your fruiting temps are around 67 - 75 degrees F.

If you have not heard of a shotgun fruiting chamber, it is a cheap inexpensive way for you to provide plenty of fresh air exchange coupled with humidity and light. Here is a link to a video describing how to make one easily with very little work/expense. It's the third video

Thanks :rr:








How long should I leave it outside for? Luckily today is a beautiful day where I am at, they are going to love it. Thank you for telling me that.

How often should I spray them now that I've opened the bag? I already have a SGFC from my PF tek grow a few months back that I could use if necessary.

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    #15733704 - 01/29/12 01:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Mist as per usual. Read the subs appearance.

If it looks dry, give it a mist.

If your climate is humid, it will do fine on its own likely. If its drier it will require more frequent mistings.

If the sub looks/feels wet its good until evaporation removes some moisture from it along with the fruiting process.

Pools of water are not desireable ontop of subs so if that happens try to dry them carefully by soaking up water with a tissue.

If they are outside plenty of FAE is avaialble which will help out with preventing contamination/further contamination.

Remember you want to let the sub dry out a little before re-misting. but your mistings should be heavy when you do mist, this replicates how nature waters mushrooms.

Just keep your eyes on it and nurture it according to its needs (looks dry mist, looks wet lay off)

You should mist anywhere from 2 - 3 times a day at most but plenty of FAE outside will help with evaporation so you may have to mist more frequently.

Good luck things should look up for you!


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    #15733800 - 01/29/12 01:52 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

they need to breathe!!!!


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    #15734558 - 01/29/12 04:46 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Whats the coldest I can let them get at night before I should bring them inside the house?


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    #15734643 - 01/29/12 05:11 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

those need to get more fresh air tiny caps and long skinny shrooms .more air and to much co2


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    #15735268 - 01/29/12 07:27 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Whats the coldest I can let them get at night before I should bring them inside the house?





68 F

Could probably get away with 65 or even low 60's but I wouldnt go lower then 68 as that is the base fruiting parameter temp at the low end


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    #15753456 - 02/02/12 08:17 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Alright guys so after letting them sit open mostly indoors.. they absolutely blew my mind!

Link to album:
http://imgur.com/a/g3wSY#0

I couldn't believe how much these grew like they did on such uncolonized substrate. I think when I broke the bag up it triggered pinning... and then suffocating them for a few days made them burst when I finally did let them breathe... I'm lucky to have all of your great wisdom and help.

http://i.imgur.com/bSIRt.jpg

This guy has a green splotch on him which I am curious on whether I should save or not.. I need to go get some desiccant tomorrow. 

Is it rather a stupid question to ask if I could put the mushrooms in the fridge still connected to the substrate to slow down the growth for about a day?

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    #15753820 - 02/02/12 09:41 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

That is bruising for sure, those shroomies are still good...:smile:


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    #15753855 - 02/02/12 09:52 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

You have nothing to be concerned about.  Those fruits look wonderful.

:congrats:

I believe that you are referring to the slight bluing of the top of
that one fruits cap.  This is just that, bluing, and is not an infection.


You can see a few aborts lower down.  These are also not a problem.

You can slow the rotting of fresh fruits by putting the in the fridge,
and lower temps mean slower growth as well, but I have never put a growing
cube into the fruits still attached to its substrate...

:fuckinawesome:

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    #15761155 - 02/04/12 04:59 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

So I am very happy with the results that were produced from what I thought was going to be a failure. Grow bags are unbelievably forgiving and plentiful with fruits. I ended up getting 400+ grams from the two bags so far.

Putting them in the fridge to slow down the growth was a great idea. The mushrooms slowed down tremendously and gave me time to get to the store to get a desiccant.

How do I go about getting a second flush from these giant mycelium bricks? Neither of the bags have 100% colonization and still have substrate showing on the bottom which seems like could be a problem if I tried to dunk them.

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