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Pf jars colonizing so slow, please help
    #15644150 - 01/10/12 08:50 AM (13 years, 9 days ago)

Hey guys, I ordered some Brf half pint jars from a vEndor because it was my first grow. Well it's been 25 days and they are only about 80-90 percent done and I have had um around 80 degrees. I kept tinfoil on them loosely because I live in a dirty college apt. As of last Friday I turned them upside down and they have started to colonize the bottom of the jars substrate but I feel they should of colonized a lot quicker then this. Anybody got any ideas. By keeping the tinfoil on the jars and then turning them upside down, has that restricted gas exchange. This strain is suppose to be a pretty fast colonizer and everybody I've talked to said it should only take around two weeks to colonize with this strain especially at the temps I hav em in and they being half pint jars. Could this also be due to really compacted substrate?


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Re: Pf jars colonizing so slow, please help [Re: Jw6457]
    #15644173 - 01/10/12 09:03 AM (13 years, 9 days ago)

Don't flip jars for colonization. Remove tin foil completely. Micropore tape and the dry verm barrier protect against contams enough. If you're growing Cubensis there's no "fast strain" that you get from a vendor. 1/2 pint jars can take an extremely long time to colonize, stop looking at them and be patient. If you want speedy colonization go to grains.

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Re: Pf jars colonizing so slow, please help [Re: Jw6457]
    #15644177 - 01/10/12 09:06 AM (13 years, 9 days ago)

The only reason you want foil on a PF jar is if it's raining in your apartment!  You need the foil for the sterilizing stage to keep out water that might drip down on the lids.  Once inoculated, the foil should be removed to provide adequate gas exchange.

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Re: Pf jars colonizing so slow, please help [Re: Bluemookie]
    #15644193 - 01/10/12 09:11 AM (13 years, 9 days ago)

Patience. There really is no precise timeline when it comes to mushroom growing.

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Re: Pf jars colonizing so slow, please help [Re: Jw6457]
    #15644262 - 01/10/12 09:46 AM (13 years, 9 days ago)

Yes get rid of the tin foil. If you have dry vermiculite barrier on top and sterlized it correctly then you are good, as long as you don't mess with your jars much.

Being packed to tightly can cause colonization to slow down, and even make it stall out.

I think 80 degrees is a little, as mycelium puts off heat and your jars are probably 5 degrees higher inside the jars.

I do believe 83-85 degrees for mycelium is to high, it will slow mycelium growth down and risk higher contam rates. 

My jars are kept at 72-75 degrees and 90% of the time it's 100% colonized in 2 weeks or less.

You never want to turn your jars over, because you start moving your dry vermiculite barrier around and can cause contams. You also restrict ge by covering up the holes.

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Re: Pf jars colonizing so slow, please help [Re: kansastornado] * 1
    #15644516 - 01/10/12 11:03 AM (13 years, 9 days ago)

even if i live in a dirty college apt with the jars flipped over and some of the substrate and cakes didnt fall to the bottom/top of jar when i smacked them a few times. Will they be alright from contams or should i keep the tinfoil on?


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Re: Pf jars colonizing so slow, please help [Re: Jw6457]
    #15644561 - 01/10/12 11:11 AM (13 years, 9 days ago)

Take the tinfoil off, dont flip the jars. wait till full colonized and then birth.
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Re: Pf jars colonizing so slow, please help [Re: Divinity]
    #15644606 - 01/10/12 11:26 AM (13 years, 9 days ago)

ive been trying to say the jars are already flipped, they have been flipped for 5 days already and colonizing fine i took the tinfoil off you people cant read for shit


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Re: Pf jars colonizing so slow, please help [Re: Jw6457]
    #15644615 - 01/10/12 11:31 AM (13 years, 9 days ago)

You cant clarify worth shit.
But keep us updated


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Re: Pf jars colonizing so slow, please help [Re: Jw6457]
    #15644618 - 01/10/12 11:31 AM (13 years, 9 days ago)

Quote:

Jw6457 said:
you people cant read for shit




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Re: Pf jars colonizing so slow, please help [Re: tdmm]
    #15644732 - 01/10/12 12:04 PM (13 years, 9 days ago)

patience brother, spores are lik3 people, its just genetics, dont contenulesly fuck with your jars like chimp on crack, movent will accure in the dry layer of verm thus incressing you chance for contaminates. but in short theyll be done when there done.

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Re: Pf jars colonizing so slow, please help [Re: Jw6457]
    #15644887 - 01/10/12 12:51 PM (13 years, 9 days ago)

In short they should get done shortly. If anything elevate the jar(pop bottle lid or something under one corner of jar)for a little ge.

For future deals take tin foil off. Do not flip jars. Dry verm will keep shit off even in dirty college room.

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Re: Pf jars colonizing so slow, please help [Re: basqueshaman]
    #15645403 - 01/10/12 02:43 PM (13 years, 9 days ago)

Flipping jars will unstall growth. Especially in tall jars

25 days is nothing. Ive had spores take 3 weeks just to germinate. Its also fairly common for full colonization to take anywhere from 3-5 weeks depending on a whole slew of factors. But that 3-5 weeks is after spore germination.

You're doing fine man. Just be patient, and keep waiting. Its easy to get overly excited about your first grow and want everything done "right now". Be sure to wait at least a full week after full colonization before you birth too.

Edited by wildernessjunkie (01/10/12 02:45 PM)

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Re: Pf jars colonizing so slow, please help [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #15645433 - 01/10/12 02:48 PM (13 years, 9 days ago)

Starting a new grow/project will help with the wait.

Keep reading, researching, and learning. Maybe look at picking up a new strain/species. Invest in another box of jars and get your second batch in the works. Anything to keep yourself from checking on those jars 5 times a day. "A watched pot never boils".

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Re: Pf jars colonizing so slow, please help [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #15645456 - 01/10/12 02:51 PM (13 years, 9 days ago)

"Starting a new grow/project will help with the wait."

This.

There is little else that you can do.

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Re: Pf jars colonizing so slow, please help [Re: Javadog]
    #15645675 - 01/10/12 03:30 PM (13 years, 9 days ago)

My jars took 3 weeks to germinate and then started to grow. I'm pretty sure I packed them too tight though, as a few of them had trouble getting to the bottom. You're correct in assuming that freeing the cake from the bottom by flipping will help them to fully colonize the bottom of the jar. Trust the dry verm layer, because it will work very well. Water is the number 1 vector for contamination, especially bacteria. As far as temp goes, the internal temp of the cakes is a few degrees higher than room temp due to metabolism. In fact, some cultivators have seen a 10 degree (Fahrenheit) difference in a bag.

Multispore is a crap shoot, so don't worry too much. As long as there aren't any contams there's nothing to worry too much about. My first grow took forever and I spent hours searching for answers to everything I could think of. In short, I think you're on the right track. Just don't wanna handle the jars much because upsetting the dry verm layer can drop anything that was on it to the cake and cause a contam. Good move on leaving the flipped jar flipped. I've read a lot of posts by people new to the hobby that didn't leave a flipped jar flipped, and wound up with contams.

I'm still pretty new to this too, with only a handful of cakes under my belt. I understand your worries. Welcome to the shroomery though. There's so much great info here. Keep us posted on how it goes. Just don't forget to let them consolidate for a week minimum after 100% colonization. Pics when you get a chance, we all love the pin porn. :laugh:


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Re: Pf jars colonizing so slow, please help [Re: SpookyCupid]
    #15646409 - 01/10/12 05:58 PM (13 years, 9 days ago)

As  first time grower... I can attest to how grueling the WAITING is... sheesh... it's like watching a plant grow....


Starting other jars/ making other growing related stuff does help the time go by though...

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Re: Pf jars colonizing so slow, please help [Re: dammdoggs]
    #15646518 - 01/10/12 06:25 PM (13 years, 9 days ago)

I have a similar issue with patience, harvested a first flush and then dunked a couple nights ago, and my whole project has come to a screeching halt.  Can I expect a similar wait for the mycelium to begin growing again after a dunk?


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Re: Pf jars colonizing so slow, please help [Re: 2 cats freckles]
    #15646544 - 01/10/12 06:31 PM (13 years, 9 days ago)

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I have a similar issue with patience, harvested a first flush and then dunked a couple nights ago, and my whole project has come to a screeching halt.  Can I expect a similar wait for the mycelium to begin growing again after a dunk?




Should have pins again in about a week.

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Re: Pf jars colonizing so slow, please help [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #15646745 - 01/10/12 07:02 PM (13 years, 9 days ago)

alright thanks guys for all your posts. Sorry i got irritated there just very excited about my first grow and i believe i typed a few times that i had already flipped my jars. It just seems like half of people say to flip them if they seem to not be colonizing the bottom as well as take tinfoil off after inoculation if they have a dry verm barrier. Then there is the other half who say dont flip the jars or take the tinfoil off as you will get contams. So i dont know. I got a pressure cooker, birdseed, and jars and other equipment because i heard its a hell of alot easier then dealing with the brf tek.


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