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My mycobox wont fruit. Is it contaminated?
    #15619390 - 01/05/12 09:32 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Hey mushroom growers!

I previously had a mycobox that was contaminated with mold.

Now i have a problem with another mycobox.

The problem is - it won't fruit! I have 95% RH and a temperature of 25 degrees celsius or 77 degrees fahrenheit, give or take a degree, depending on the hour of the day.

Here is a picture of the surface (anything below looks fine!)



It has been like this since a month ago - it just wont fruit

I'm looking forward to some help

Thank y'all and have a good one :smile:


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Re: My mycobox wont fruit. Is it contaminated? [Re: nboos]
    #15619712 - 01/05/12 11:24 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I had the same problem with my mycobox. All it needed was more water (a 12 hour soak in my case, then tipped out the excess) and it started fruiting damn quick.

HTH.


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Re: My mycobox wont fruit. Is it contaminated? [Re: SJV]
    #15620304 - 01/05/12 01:55 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

are you allowing fresh air exchange and some light to enter?

anyway it doesn't look like contaminated, so as sjv suggested:

Quote:

SJV said:
a 12 hour soak in my case, then tipped out the excess




the lower and right part seems like shrinked so too little water may be the culprit :smile:


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Re: My mycobox wont fruit. Is it contaminated? [Re: cc2]
    #15620731 - 01/05/12 03:21 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

When i bought it i soaked it. After two weeks of not fruiting i soaked it again (that was about a week ago). I spray it every day so i doubt it is too dry. Any other ideas?

Oh and i dont know about air exchange (is opening the beg once a few days enough?), but i do have CFL lighting turned on every day for three hours.


The spores are of psylocibe cubensis mazapatec.


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Re: My mycobox wont fruit. Is it contaminated? [Re: nboos]
    #15620865 - 01/05/12 03:45 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

nboos said:
Oh and i dont know about air exchange (is opening the beg once a few days enough?)




it depends on how your fruiting chamber is. if that bag is your fruiting chamber (was it suggested by vendor?) I think switching to a proper fruiting chamber would be strongly suggested.

there just isn't enough air exchange and/or humidity inside a plain plastic bag with nothing but substrate.

have a look at fruiting chambers monotub poor man's pod


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Re: My mycobox wont fruit. Is it contaminated? [Re: cc2]
    #15620958 - 01/05/12 04:07 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Well, anyway, this is strange. All my other mushrooms (Thai, PES Amazonian, Cambodian)are doing fine in theese bags. They have an air filter on them so there should be enough air exchange.

But i guess i will try a different fruiting chamber, since that is all i can do.

Should it sterilise the new fruiting chamber or is it O.K. if i just wipe it with an anti-septic liquid (pure alcohol). And of course the same question goes for the hydrotone - should it be sterilised or just rinsed with warm/hot water?

Thanx!


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Re: My mycobox wont fruit. Is it contaminated? [Re: nboos]
    #15620975 - 01/05/12 04:12 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

nboos said:
Should it sterilise the new fruiting chamber or is it O.K. if i just wipe it with an anti-septic liquid (pure alcohol). And of course the same question goes for the hydrotone - should it be sterilised or just rinsed with warm/hot water?




you can just wash it with soap and water then rinse and dry. on the other hand, given its porosity, it's better if you soak your hydrotone in bleach or diluted hydrogen peroxide and then rinse several times. perlite should be more appropriate though.


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Re: My mycobox wont fruit. Is it contaminated? [Re: cc2]
    #15621216 - 01/05/12 05:09 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Here's an idea :smile: Do you think, putting an airstone, connected to the airpump, into the bag would help the airiation?


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Re: My mycobox wont fruit. Is it contaminated? [Re: nboos]
    #15621242 - 01/05/12 05:14 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

nboos said:
Here's an idea :smile: Do you think, putting an airstone, connected to the airpump, into the bag would help the airiation?




it probably would, but it'd still lack ventilation holes on the side and also the lower perlite layer to improve RH.


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Re: My mycobox wont fruit. Is it contaminated? [Re: nboos]
    #15621349 - 01/05/12 05:35 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

But I do have perlite...its on the bottom of the substrate. In the middle is brown rice flower and on top is verm.

So should i put the airstone in the bag and make some ventilation holes?

Hey, and most of all thank you for your help!!! I am suprised of your patience with noobies like me! :smile:


have a nice one


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Re: My mycobox wont fruit. Is it contaminated? [Re: nboos]
    #15621414 - 01/05/12 05:47 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

nboos said:
But I do have perlite...its on the bottom of the substrate. In the middle is brown rice flower and on top is verm.

So should i put the airstone in the bag and make some ventilation holes?

Hey, and most of all thank you for your help!!! I am suprised of your patience with noobies like me! :smile:


have a nice one




it'd be better if you'd put the airstone as showed here in this tek, since it'll rise the RH while still having a positive pressure inside and increasing circulation. TBH a plastic bag can't compete with a chamber since it's collapsible and yours for example doesn't leave much room for water to evaporate from behind your mycobox.

ideally you'd have your mycobox sitting on perlite but still have plenty of room on the sides, otherwise your box acts as a cap and doesn't allow much evaporation other than the substrate itself.

if you still want to deal with plastic bags, make holes and stuff them with polyfill or something like that to keep bugs out and moderate humidity loss, get a larger bag so you can have more exposed perlite on the sides.


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Re: My mycobox wont fruit. Is it contaminated? [Re: nboos]
    #15621851 - 01/05/12 07:10 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Heh, sorry you had to spell it out for me :smile:

So - new plan: bags sucks! I'm gonna get to constructing a poor man's pod first thing in the morning :smile:

So for the perlite goes the same as hydrotone? Soak it in bleach and then rynse it several times?

I cant say thank you enough for bringing me out of the darkness :smile:

Your help is trully appreciated!


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Re: My mycobox wont fruit. Is it contaminated? [Re: nboos]
    #15623845 - 01/06/12 05:27 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

nboos said:
So for the perlite goes the same as hydrotone? Soak it in bleach and then rinse it several times?




right :smile:


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Re: My mycobox wont fruit. Is it contaminated? [Re: cc2]
    #15639039 - 01/09/12 08:31 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Hey!

Meanwhile my ''poor man's pod'' is being constructed i improvised with the bag and the airpump.

There is still no sucsess (here is a micro of the surface)



And also, i started seeing little dots on the side of my mycobox. Is this contam or are there pins?

(pic below)




Also, what ratio of bleech and water should i use to rinse perlite/hydrrotone?


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Re: My mycobox wont fruit. Is it contaminated? [Re: nboos]
    #15639462 - 01/09/12 11:24 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

pics aren't very clear, but they'd be primordia. check here
http://www.shroomery.org/5178/What-do-primordia-pins-look-like-I-dont-know


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Re: My mycobox wont fruit. Is it contaminated? [Re: cc2]
    #15639509 - 01/09/12 11:38 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, this looks like it. So everythink is O.K.?

Got me worried there for a second :laugh:

THANX!


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