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Orange Alert
    #1563132 - 05/20/03 04:00 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I wonder if this means they're about to pass Patriot Act 2.


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Re: Orange Alert [Re: silversoul7]
    #1563213 - 05/20/03 04:26 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

i'm scared man.. i'm scared of what our government is up to


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Re: Orange Alert [Re: Strumpling]
    #1563227 - 05/20/03 04:35 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

"The problem, officials said, is separating discussion of plots that are under way from the "wishful thinking and bluster" among suspected al Qaeda members being monitored. "There is some chatter that points to the U.S.," an official said, "but we don't really know if it is real." "

yeah silversoul this does looks like patriot act II propaganda - we'll get another attack pretty soon and california will be dissed and everybody will be all over patriot act II.

I just hope that if they pass this patriot act II thing, they USE it against the terrorists, grabbing each and every one of these fucking guys they're just watching "chat" to eachother.... patriot act II will allow them to just grab these guys and make them disappear forever; no questions asked.

unfortunately they could grab YOU or ME as well, being drug-users and all... "drug-users support terrorism," remember?

oh cool I just noticed I now have three shrooms. hooray I pissed somebody off


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Re: Orange Alert [Re: Strumpling]
    #1563269 - 05/20/03 04:56 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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oh cool I just noticed I now have three shrooms. hooray I pissed somebody off




Back to four.  :smirk:

There will probably be an attack on the US soon, IMHO. With all that's happenned (war on Irak, for example) since 9/11, over a year of "peace" is just too good to be true. 


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Re: Orange Alert [Re: Meph]
    #1563273 - 05/20/03 04:58 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

yeah it seems like its about time for them to recharge the war on terra


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Re: Orange Alert [Re: Strumpling]
    #1563286 - 05/20/03 05:03 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

spooky stuff


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Re: Orange Alert [Re: buckwheat]
    #1563302 - 05/20/03 05:13 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

your sig is hypnotic


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Re: Orange Alert [Re: silversoul7]
    #1563435 - 05/20/03 06:12 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

This all about Bush's plan to take over the world and turn our country into a fascist police state.


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Re: Orange Alert [Re: ]
    #1563489 - 05/20/03 06:36 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Man, if terrorists ever get their hands on a nuke, and kill like a million people, the only possible outcome will be for America to try to take over the world and will immediately become a police state.


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Re: Orange Alert [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1563541 - 05/20/03 06:59 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Or here's a "hypothetical" situation for you...The U.S. allows a massive terrorist attack on it's own citizens in order to keep the populace in fear, who would of course be screaming for revenge on whichever country or group that the government told them was responsible. With the full support of it's citizens,(and most countries in general) the U.S. could "hypothetically" take over the world and/or it's resources..and anybody that stood against the U.S. would be labeled a 'terrorist' or 'terrorist sympathizer' and be dealt with accordingly either with military intervention or economic sanctions.....but that's just all hypothetically speaking of course because anybody who thought that would surely be crazy...wouldn't they?


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Re: Orange Alert [Re: Rono]
    #1563583 - 05/20/03 07:18 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I think it's a possibility. What I'm not sure about is how "masterminded" it would be. In other words to use a slightly different example, while we may be headed toward fascism, as some think, that may not be anyone's intention. It just may be the natural outcome of a bunch of humans representing different powers--business, government, etc.--behaving very shortsightedly, selfishly, or simply with a limited or inaccurate understanding of what they're doing.

On the other hand, the whole damn thing could be plotted out down to the details. WHO THE HELL KNOWS!!!

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Re: Orange Alert [Re: hongomon]
    #1563760 - 05/20/03 08:33 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

... while we may be headed toward fascism, as some think, that may not be anyone's intention. It just may be the natural outcome of a bunch of humans representing different powers--business, government, etc.--behaving very shortsightedly, selfishly, or simply with a limited or inaccurate understanding of what they're doing.



I'm inclined to look at it that way.

The 'left' comes to power and we lose certain freedoms, the 'right' criticizes the loss of these freedoms and then comes to power but they never restore the freedoms their opposition took. With the 'right' in power we lose certain freedoms that are a bit different in nature, the 'left' criticizes the loss of these freedoms and then comes to power but they never restore the freedoms their opposition took. Each side sees the power that has been bequeathed to it by the opposition and recognizes it as being useful towards it's own ends and seems to conveniently forget it's prior opposition to it.

As the pendulum of power swings back and forth, the individual is slowly being marginalized by the ever growing and increasingly intrusive state, the differences between the left and right are more rhetorical than actual. The actions of both camps leading to the crushing of liberty and the lingering death of the republic. All the tools and techniques for a totalitarian state are being devised and implemented, so much power is being concentrated that it is only a matter of time before someone or group possessing the will and the means will recognize the opportunity and take full control. The people, for the most part, are willingly presenting their appendages to be shackled in the name of security... security from violence, security from want, security from the negative consequences of their own choices. When it comes, when a totalitarian regime is fully upon us, it will have come from the collusion of the left and the right and with the willing permission if not the actual desires of the compliant masses.

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Re: Orange Alert [Re: Evolving]
    #1563801 - 05/20/03 08:49 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I don't think there's much of a difference between left and right anymore my man.. its going to get fuzzier and fuzzier, just like the demos and repubs


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Re: Orange Alert [Re: ]
    #1563811 - 05/20/03 08:53 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

"This all about Bush's plan to take over the world and turn our country into a fascist police state."

I don't know about the extreme this plan is, but regardless I don't think Bush is in charge.... he could be lower on the pyramid than we are aware


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Re: Orange Alert [Re: Evolving]
    #1563831 - 05/20/03 09:06 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Interesting summary. It reminds me of the old cartoon of some guy trying to make all four legs of a table the same length--a few rounds of corrections and he's left with a legless tabletop.

This kind of thing really makes me battle with the free will/determinism dichotomy. Observing the trend over the past and projecting its possibilities over the future seem deterministic, but the steps which might lead to improvement are each acts of free will (by a lot of individual free agents). Is that contradictory?

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Re: Orange Alert [Re: hongomon]
    #1563843 - 05/20/03 09:12 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

"Is that contradictory?"

I think what's determined is that all boundaries will be broken - all possibilities will happen - all impossiblities will become possible, then probable, then they will happen. This really means that "everything is determined" heh.

How these things happen, however, all depends on the moment at hand and which way which things "wiggle" when they reach a fork in the road of possibilities - how the "wiggles" are determined (how choices are made, on a larger scale), I have no fuckin clue, but I think that even THAT is built into the framework - it doesn't necessarily know all descisions before hand, but it knows what to do to decide which way to wiggle - dunno if that makes sense - its like AI programming at nature's level (way better than what we've come up with)


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Re: Orange Alert [Re: Strumpling]
    #1563861 - 05/20/03 09:25 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Seems a lot like how chess programs are devised as well. At the beginning of a game there is an astronomical amount of possible "futures". With each move, the amount of possible futures is limited. Is that something like AI?

What makes my brain hurt is that as predictable (determinable) as it is, our history is made up of choices made by individuals. (Even when the choice is to do nothing.) Another crazy paradox.


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Re: Orange Alert [Re: hongomon]
    #1563868 - 05/20/03 09:27 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

frighten the masses, pass invasive legislation

welcome to the NWO...

eeeeeeeekkkkkkkk!!!!!!!


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Re: Orange Alert [Re: hongomon]
    #1564191 - 05/20/03 11:25 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

"Seems a lot like how chess programs are devised as well. At the beginning of a game there is an astronomical amount of possible "futures". With each move, the amount of possible futures is limited. Is that something like AI?"

excellent analogy :wink: although it is a bit more complicated than that because for every move, the possibilities of the future only relating to that particular game gets limited - with "actuality," however, every move creates a whole new spectrum of possibilities because there is a new angle on things or something heh


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Re: Orange Alert [Re: Strumpling]
    #1564304 - 05/20/03 11:56 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I dont think so this time guys I think the threat is real possibly played up a little, I dont know one things 4 sure Im glad I am not in america. I have to say this Its youre responsibilitye to vote VOTE BUSH OUT, VOTE BUSH OUT , how much has the entire world changed since that clown got into office FUCK HIM OFF PLEASE.


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