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Shroomz on bail of hay GA Cubensis look-Alike
    #1562104 - 05/20/03 02:38 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Hello, I recently discovered a bail of straw/hay on my way to band practice that was COVERED in mushrooms, I stopped and picked 3 of them, they have light brown gills, brown/dark brown spore print, golden center on the cap, the stems are hollow and easy to flatten, the stem is a whiteish brown color, I pulled the stems off and where the stem connects to the cap it was blue.. but it didnt blue else where.. The caps are about 1-3 inches across.. is it possible that these are cubensis? This straw might have came from a cow pasture as alot of it does here in Chatsworth, Ga.. Which is just south of tenn. and just east of alabama, tons and tons of cows here. I am going to put up some scans of the 12 hour old mushrooms they have dried a bit.. so it might now help alot. The spore prints not so grand.. prolly should have wet them a bit?

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Re: Shroomz on bail of hay GA Cubensis look-Alike [Re: Grogan]
    #1562135 - 05/20/03 02:51 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

probly an agaricus or something i dont thinkt hey are cubes man there is no veil and i cant see what you meant by bluing. wait for the experts to give you a good id tho. peace

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Re: Shroomz on bail of hay GA Cubensis look-Alike [Re: blaze2]
    #1562175 - 05/20/03 03:20 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

It doesnt show up in the pic, the bluing that is.. It was slight and deep under where the stem connects but it was for sure blue.. but it is quite a dry shroom maybe need to get some more and scan em fresh
Oh and the hay came from a cow pasture most likely so theres a good chance it could be some kinda psilocybe.. They can grow on hay/straw right?


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Re: Shroomz on bail of hay GA Cubensis look-Alike [Re: Grogan]
    #1562285 - 05/20/03 04:19 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

well when you prepare outdoor patches of cubes you use staw so i guess they can. i know realize that they probly arent agaricus since they have a hollow stem i missed that the first time. maybe psytarella(sp?) around to responding. if its a psilocybe then mj will tell you for sure i think that GG lives in Georgia so he will probly have seen it before and could tell you what it is for sure. if you can get a fresh one cut it in half cap and stem and take a pic it will help with identification. peace

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Re: Shroomz on bail of hay GA Cubensis look-Alike [Re: blaze2]
    #1562336 - 05/20/03 05:27 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah I looked at alot of agaricus' didn't resemble any of them really, and the hollow stem gave it away even more, on mycokey the spore print color, gill color and pattern came up with 11 genera, psilocybe was one of them, so was inocybe, agrocybe, and a few more.. Still didnt find one that really looked like it accept for a cubie, but still not really sure what it is.. do all cubies have veils? maybe these lost theirs? or they are really old? or they aren't cubies lol..


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Re: Shroomz on bail of hay GA Cubensis look-Alike [Re: Grogan]
    #1562364 - 05/20/03 06:49 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

yea all cubes have veils or at least a ring left where it was. the veil remants will be a chocolate purple brown. real dark. from the spores. i know that coprinus have hollow stems and and grow just about every where but they wouldnt dry out they turn to mush instead. so i guess we just wait for someone else im pretty sure you'll get it id'd at least to genera. so just wait. peace

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Re: Shroomz on bail of hay GA Cubensis look-Alike [Re: blaze2]
    #1562369 - 05/20/03 06:56 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

THose look like old agaricus mushrooms which are common in rotted hay.

They were intheir last stages of living.


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Re: Shroomz on bail of hay GA Cubensis look-Alike [Re: blaze2]
    #1562606 - 05/20/03 11:45 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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there is no veil and i cant see what you meant by bluing.
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Couldn't have said it better my self.

Cubensis always(well, pretty much) will have some kind of remnants of a purple/blackish veil on the stem. The gill and stem structure also looks different than that of cubensis. If they were cubes you'd know it... they don't just briuse blue a little bit, they briuse blue all over.

They're not cubensis and not active. I'd agree with the others in saying that they are probably some type of Agaricus.


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Re: Shroomz on bail of hay GA Cubensis look-Alike [Re: Gumby]
    #1562834 - 05/20/03 02:09 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

there is no veil and i cant see what you meant by bluing.
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80% of the wild cubies that I have ever picked have had no veil.BUT,I know cubes and go mostly by smell.


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Re: Shroomz on bail of hay GA Cubensis look-Alike [Re: Gumby]
    #1562840 - 05/20/03 02:12 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Alright thanks guys for helping out, I will remember to look for the veil when i go cubie hunting! On the cubies  whats the usual color of their gills? I have heard light brown to purple? Does they become these colors at different stages of growing? Spore prints are usually the color of the shroom i found to purpleish right?
Again thanks for the help :smile:


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Re: Shroomz on bail of hay GA Cubensis look-Alike [Re: Grogan]
    #1562847 - 05/20/03 02:17 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

em_bre_o that sparked my interest a bit.. i might visit the patch again to look for one with a veil.. but they might just be oldddd mushrooms of a different type.. thats what i strongly think just don't know the exact one hehe.


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Re: Shroomz on bail of hay GA Cubensis look-Alike [Re: Grogan]
    #1563018 - 05/20/03 03:21 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Gills can be anywhere from light brown to dark brown with a dark purplish tint. The prints are going to be purplish brown. You'll know it when you find them.


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Re: Shroomz on bail of hay GA Cubensis look-Alike [Re: Grogan]
    #1563382 - 05/20/03 05:46 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I posted here recently photos of gills of P. cubesnsis as well as sporeprints of the same and size/

Read the instructions. go to the search ienjines and look. Do not be lazy.

mj

They are her einthis forumsomewhere within the last month.

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Re: Shroomz on bail of hay GA Cubensis look-Alike [Re: mjshroomer]
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Re: Shroomz on bail of hay GA Cubensis look-Alike [Re: Grogan]
    #1563533 - 05/20/03 06:56 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I'm going to agree with the others - those look like Agaricus a bit past their prime.

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Re: Shroomz on bail of hay GA Cubensis look-Alike [Re: ToxicMan]
    #1564593 - 05/21/03 01:15 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

i didnt think that agaricus had hollow stems? that was my first guess but when i read it again i changed my mind. i do tend to think things thru to much. ah well like the others said you'll know em when you find em. peace

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Re: Shroomz on bail of hay GA Cubensis look-Alike [Re: blaze2]
    #1564640 - 05/21/03 01:26 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Most Agaricus have solid stems. A few that don't:

Agaricus arvensis
Agaricus campestris
Agaricus arorae
Agaricus subrutilescens


I should mention that some of those sometimes have solid stems and sometimes hollow or stuffed ones.


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Re: Shroomz on bail of hay GA Cubensis look-Alike [Re: ToxicMan]
    #1564869 - 05/21/03 03:04 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

thx for the info toxic i was confused until you enlightened me :smile:


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