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InvisibleInnvertigo
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Are you Un-American?
    #1559745 - 05/19/03 12:34 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Ok i think it needs to be said by someone on the right side of the political spectrum.  I'm getting pretty sick and tired of everyone who is against the war or Bush being called unamerican :mad:.  The idea that they are able to spout their opinions is in itself being a great american.  I'm not talking aboot those spoting any sort of violence or the numbnut protesters that think it is their right to incorporate violence in their civil disobediance.  This doesn't mean that i agree with someone who calls Bush evil or that America is evil, etc.

What is unamerican?  Unamerican to me is being a traitor by an american taking up arms against his/her own country, Companies who lie to their shareholders (Enron) and any action that would directly hurt the citizens of the United States.


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Re: Are you Un-American? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1559753 - 05/19/03 12:37 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

political dissent is an American tradition.
if you can't recognize that, then THAT is un-American.


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Re: Are you Un-American? [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1559758 - 05/19/03 12:39 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I can recognize it. Whether i agree with some of the dissent can be debated i suppose...


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Re: Are you Un-American? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1559772 - 05/19/03 12:48 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I am a proud American who supports peace!  :laugh:

* and not Bush...lol. *


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Re: Are you Un-American? [Re: angryshroom]
    #1559837 - 05/19/03 01:18 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I consider myself VERY American. I mean, I may not agree with many of the things that my government does, but I still feel, whole-heartedly, that America is the best country in the world. The Government does SO many things for me. They pay for my education, they give me great insurance, they allow me to be relatively safe and pursue MOST of the activities I want.

If I was born in nearly any other country, I wouldnt have the opportunity to be in college like I am now. Would I trade ALL that for a change in Marijauana laws? I'm not sure....But at any rate, I consider myself American. This is a GOOD country.


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Re: Are you Un-American? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #1559905 - 05/19/03 01:48 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

patriotism does not make any sense to me. i consider myself a human being, and that is in direct contrast with being an "american", "canadian", "french".. or any other form of fake allegiance to a country you happen to be born in. try analyzing the logic behind your patriotism... you can't, because there is none.


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Re: Are you Un-American? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1559920 - 05/19/03 02:00 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

well said..and I'm about as unamerican as you can get... :wink:  (Which is not the same as Anti-American for the less gifted)


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Re: Are you Un-American? [Re: Rono]
    #1559972 - 05/19/03 02:18 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

worse yet, you're a Canoodian...yikes


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Re: Are you Un-American? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1560002 - 05/19/03 02:28 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah...sucks to be a Canadian.  /me takes a haul off a joint of our soon to be decriminalized weed while not worrying about terrorist attacks of any sort. :smirk:


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Re: Are you Un-American? [Re: Rono]
    #1560032 - 05/19/03 02:41 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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/me takes a haul off a joint of our soon to be decriminalized




that is nice....it will never happen but it would be nice....remember all i have to do is drive 15 minutes and i can enjoy that freedom as well.


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Re: Are you Un-American? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1560264 - 05/19/03 04:11 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

And us Americans have health care! I hear fucked up things about trying to see a Dr. in Canadia...


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: Are you Un-American? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #1560279 - 05/19/03 04:15 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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And us Americans have health care! I hear fucked up things about trying to see a Dr. in Canadia...


You mean like not having to pay for medical care?...yeah...we're pretty fucked up that way.


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Re: Are you Un-American? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #1560284 - 05/19/03 04:16 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

you just opened a can of worms...Canada thinks they have a great healthcare system...the idea is great but i'll stick to mine for now.


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Re: Are you Un-American? [Re: Rono]
    #1560305 - 05/19/03 04:20 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

And us Americans have health care! I hear fucked up things about trying to see a Dr. in Canadia...


You mean like not having to pay for medical care?...yeah...we're pretty fucked up that way.



What do you mean 'not having to pay for medical care?' You most certainly do pay for it if you pay taxes, or you pay higher prices for goods or services because of taxes on the producers of those goods or services. Don't fool yourself, TANSTAAFL.


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Re: Are you Un-American? [Re: Evolving]
    #1560357 - 05/19/03 04:35 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Meaning that if I break my arm and go to the hospital I don't have to a pay a dime. If I like I can go to the doctor every single day for a checkup and not pay a cent out of pocket..besides my employer pays the taxes for healthcare...I don't. Even if they didn't, 34$ a month is not unreasonable for "free" healthcare.


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Re: Are you Un-American? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1560371 - 05/19/03 04:39 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I love the land I live on.

I do not love the government who owns it.

I am an American and I've still got some pride in that.


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Re: Are you Un-American? [Re: Rono]
    #1560373 - 05/19/03 04:39 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

i pay a $10 co-pay for office visits and perscriptions...not free but pretty close. But i'm rarly sick so i don't usually spend anything, oh and my employer pays my insurance. Not too bad.


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Re: Are you Un-American? [Re: Rono]
    #1560393 - 05/19/03 04:45 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

that's because Canada doesn't have to spend billions for defense... they can actually use tax money to help the people.



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Re: Are you Un-American? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1560604 - 05/19/03 05:52 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Lucky you, to bad most of your country doesn't have those kind of benefits. Id really hate to be a bum or live on a low income in the USA and get seriously injured in a car accident 20miles from the nearest hospital, the ambulance fee alone would put me back a grand or so.


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Re: Are you Un-American? [Re: barfightlard]
    #1560652 - 05/19/03 06:05 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Id really hate to be a bum or live on a low income in the USA and get seriously injured in a car accident 20miles from the nearest hospital




we have the richest poor in the world. Besides that person would qualify for medicaid or medicare.


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