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Any RCs with similar timeframes as LSD?
    #15592344 - 12/30/11 02:08 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I just want to be safe before I go and stuff four hits of the shit in my mouth and go to a concert...I've never really even thought twice about it before, but all this talk of research chemicals tweaks me out a bit.  I took two hits on blotter last weekend, it seemed to hit in under an hour, I peaked in 2-3 hours, and seemed to be pretty much down in 12 hours and completely down in 14-16 hours.

The reason I ask is just that thinking back on it, I don't think it felt quite like any other trip I've had...there was just something a little bit different about it, and I don't know if it was me or the drug.  So, are there any RCs with an even remotely similar timeframe, or is it definitely LSD?


On a side note, I've never concert tripped.  Every time I trip, at least lately, it seems that I start to feel really lethargic on the come-up and need to sit down.  How do you deal with that in a rave environment?

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Re: Any RCs with similar timeframes as LSD? [Re: tokinman21]
    #15592385 - 12/30/11 02:17 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Could possibly be 25i-Nbome, that's active in the ug range and from what I've read it's similar in effects and duration to LSD, it's just an hour or two shorter.I don't have any first hand experience though with it though.

Maybe it was just the setting? What really felt 'different' to you about the trip?

Edit: Also, I don't trip in concert/rave setting anymore just for the very reason you pointed out, I get very lethargic on the come-up and need to 'chill' until I peak. Nowadays if I do go to a rave, I time the dose so I peak when I'm arriving.


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Re: Any RCs with similar timeframes as LSD? [Re: AcidStrippedMind]
    #15592413 - 12/30/11 02:22 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Could possibly be 25i-Nbome, that's active in the ug range and from what I've read it's similar in effects and duration to LSD, it's just an hour or two shorter.I don't have any first hand experience though with it though.

Maybe it was just the setting? What really felt 'different' to you about the trip?




I'm not really sure, I can't put my finger on it, it was just...different.  It just didn't feel quite so clockworky in the head and the come-up was really really smooth compared to other trips I've had.  And it just somehow felt...not LSD-ish.  But again, that could easily have just been my mindset.  The blotter was a bit bitter too, so I guess 25i-nbome might make sense.

And I WAS thinking that it may have felt just slightly short.

What's the safety level of taking higher doses of 25i-nbome?  What is the dose-response curve like?



EDIT: Just looked at the timeline on erowid and it's possible.  SON OF A FUCKING BITCH.  I've been looking forward to tripping balls at this concert so much, and now it looks like it probably won't happen.  Apparently if it's an Nbome, it has an insane tolerance curve and taking another 2 hits would hardly get me anywhere a week later, and if it's not LSD I can't take 4 hits as planned.  FUCK.

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Re: Any RCs with similar timeframes as LSD? [Re: tokinman21]
    #15592462 - 12/30/11 02:33 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I have no idea, I've heard of people taking up to 2mg I THINK and having a good time... Otherwise, I think it's still pretty new and kind of unknown. Hopefully others will chime in that have first hand experience.

I'm assuming they were blotters and you couldn't you tell what print they were? From a trusted source or some random guy at the show? Did other people have a 'different' trip too?


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Re: Any RCs with similar timeframes as LSD? [Re: AcidStrippedMind]
    #15592473 - 12/30/11 02:35 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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I have no idea, I've heard of people taking up to 2mg I THINK and having a good time... Otherwise, I think it's still pretty new and kind of unknown. Hopefully others will chime in that have first hand experience.

I'm assuming they were blotters and you couldn't you tell what print they were? From a trusted source or some random guy at the show? Did other people have a 'different' trip too?




WoW, trusted source, I tripped it at a buddy's house, and I'm the only person I know of to dose from this batch. Son of a bitch...

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Re: Any RCs with similar timeframes as LSD? [Re: tokinman21]
    #15592495 - 12/30/11 02:38 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Sounds legit to me, man. Could just be the setting... impossible to say for sure though.
I have personally had 1 instance of someone trying to sell me WoW that turned out to be something other than LSD, so it can happen.


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Re: Any RCs with similar timeframes as LSD? [Re: tokinman21]
    #15592531 - 12/30/11 02:43 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

That one time the blotter didn't happen to have a yellowish waxy coating and taste sort of bitter, did it?  Because this is the first time for me it's looked/tasted like anything other than plain white paper.

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Re: Any RCs with similar timeframes as LSD? [Re: tokinman21]
    #15592588 - 12/30/11 02:55 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I passed on it so I didn't get a good look, but heard from people later something was off about it. It very well could of been.


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Re: Any RCs with similar timeframes as LSD? [Re: AcidStrippedMind]
    #15594419 - 12/30/11 10:19 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

eh. if it is bromo-dragonfly i would say go ahead and eat all 4 at once. the universe has a sneaky way of knowing exactly what you need and when, and only giving you what you need at that time.  maybe the slightly different trip is what you need the night at the concert. dose and see what happens, in blotter doses i dont think anything bad would happen, its only when people get powdered bromo thinking its 2c and snort a line of it that bad shit happens from what i can tell. most everything in microgram doses should be pretty safe, theres not enough chemical there to be too neruotoxic in sub-milligram doses, it just doesnt fill enough receptors to cause damage unless its a really really dirty chem with impurities from a shitty chemist, but these days if its an RC its probably been ordered from an online vendor as blotter or made into blotter by dude selling it. ive debated on ordering some bromo blotters from a trusted vendor myself lately as LSD is rare as hell in the midwest (ive gotten ahold of every drug on the planet plus quite a few RC's, and have never once come across lucy).


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Re: Any RCs with similar timeframes as LSD? [Re: Amsu Jackal]
    #15594501 - 12/30/11 10:39 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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eh. if it is bromo-dragonfly i would say go ahead and eat all 4 at once. the universe has a sneaky way of knowing exactly what you need and when, and only giving you what you need at that time.  maybe the slightly different trip is what you need the night at the concert. dose and see what happens, in blotter doses i dont think anything bad would happen, its only when people get powdered bromo thinking its 2c and snort a line of it that bad shit happens from what i can tell. most everything in microgram doses should be pretty safe, theres not enough chemical there to be too neruotoxic in sub-milligram doses, it just doesnt fill enough receptors to cause damage unless its a really really dirty chem with impurities from a shitty chemist, but these days if its an RC its probably been ordered from an online vendor as blotter or made into blotter by dude selling it. ive debated on ordering some bromo blotters from a trusted vendor myself lately as LSD is rare as hell in the midwest (ive gotten ahold of every drug on the planet plus quite a few RC's, and have never once come across lucy).



Why do you think it's bromo?  I've heard nothing but bad things about that, safety-wise.

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Re: Any RCs with similar timeframes as LSD? [Re: tokinman21]
    #15594644 - 12/30/11 11:05 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

well there are only a handfull of chemicals that are active in low enough doses to fit on blotter. blotter can only hold a very very small amount, up to a few hundred micrograms.  if its on blotter, its a safe bet its either LSD, bromo, or DOb/DOx. ive even heard of people making extractions of xanax and trying to fit 1mg on a 4way of blotter and failing, it just doesnt hold enough. blotter is a great way of filtering out what is what and what is not.

From my research on the matter, If it falls a couple of hours short, its most likely bromo, and if it lasts longer than lsd should, then its probably DOb/DOx.  I had a similar experience, my junkie friend said he found me some lucy, went to a bus stop in denver and a dude was dealing it out of his pocket on black construction paper in a little plastic container.  popped 3 hits when i got home, didnt get much effect (dude was keeping it in a leather jacket pocket in friggin july. brilliant.) i got some effects, and they lasted around 20 hours and upon research on erowid, the effects profile matched DOB perfectly, so im pretty sure thats what i got.  really the only way to tell is the timeline of the effects profile, and knowing that almost nothing out there can fit on blotter so it narrows the choices down greatly.


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Re: Any RCs with similar timeframes as LSD? [Re: Amsu Jackal]
    #15594742 - 12/30/11 11:26 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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well there are only a handfull of chemicals that are active in low enough doses to fit on blotter. blotter can only hold a very very small amount, up to a few hundred micrograms.  if its on blotter, its a safe bet its either LSD, bromo, or DOb/DOx. ive even heard of people making extractions of xanax and trying to fit 1mg on a 4way of blotter and failing, it just doesnt hold enough. blotter is a great way of filtering out what is what and what is not.

From my research on the matter, If it falls a couple of hours short, its most likely bromo, and if it lasts longer than lsd should, then its probably DOb/DOx.  I had a similar experience, my junkie friend said he found me some lucy, went to a bus stop in denver and a dude was dealing it out of his pocket on black construction paper in a little plastic container.  popped 3 hits when i got home, didnt get much effect (dude was keeping it in a leather jacket pocket in friggin july. brilliant.) i got some effects, and they lasted around 20 hours and upon research on erowid, the effects profile matched DOB perfectly, so im pretty sure thats what i got.  really the only way to tell is the timeline of the effects profile, and knowing that almost nothing out there can fit on blotter so it narrows the choices down greatly.




Yeah, I know blotter narrows it down a lot, but couldn't it also be 25i?  I am having trouble finding good info on the safety of higher blotter doses of bromo or 25i...any chance you'd happen to have any sources for the bromo?  Worst case scenario, what's the max that could fit on a blotter?  I'm debating whether to just take all 4, but obviously I can't risk it if there's even the slightest health concern.

If one has a tolerance build-up, can they safely take a higher dose?  Or will they just have the same physical risks with diminished psychological effects?

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Re: Any RCs with similar timeframes as LSD? [Re: tokinman21]
    #15594749 - 12/30/11 11:28 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Sounds like you are looking for -> Other Drugs Discussion

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Re: Any RCs with similar timeframes as LSD? [Re: flaminglawyer]
    #15594769 - 12/30/11 11:34 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Sounds like you are looking for -> Other Drugs Discussion



I'm trying to compare to LSD...besides, the thread is already here now. :rolleyes:

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Re: Any RCs with similar timeframes as LSD? [Re: flaminglawyer]
    #15594783 - 12/30/11 11:37 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

hm. yah it could be 25i-nbome, from what ive seen theyre pretty similar. and yah with tolerance usually you can take more of things safely, unless its a caustic material like alcohol etc where the health risks are present from the physical chemical hurting your body, and not just a massive neruotransmitter dump.

also, all of my research reference comes from erowid (mainly), drugs-forum, shroomery, and bluelight.

Also, if someone can point me in the right direction to other drugs discussion i would love some help, i looked through the forum list once or twice while on RC's and was wanting to research further, and ended up just going to DF because i couldnt find it.  i was under the impression shroomery removed the ODD forum.


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Re: Any RCs with similar timeframes as LSD? [Re: Amsu Jackal]
    #15594805 - 12/30/11 11:42 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Amsu:  http://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/41

For some reason I always have trouble finding it too, it's right in the same section as PE.  :lol:

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