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OfflineAdamist
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Re: the devil is in the details... 2012 [Re: Phluck]
    #1569256 - 05/22/03 01:05 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

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So, this is truth in some form, no?
Can this truth and your truth coexist?




Yes, they can co-exist (as possible futures) until Nature picks it's Way. Neither one is in the Now, so you can't say it will or won't happen, until it happens or doesn't happen. I never said anything WILL happen. I said I believed and felt that it would. But I'm sure you already knew that. :smile: 


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Re: the devil is in the details... 2012 [Re: Adamist]
    #1569277 - 05/22/03 01:12 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Hey everyone, notice how people in the White House(tm) are starting to quit and "retire" lately? Both Tommy Franks(mm, hot dogs...) and Ari Fleischer both deciding to leave in the past week. THE REPTILES ARE LOOKING FOR ROCKS TO HIDE UNDER!  :grin:

I wonder if they are heading to global 'safe-spots'?

Oh, probably just coincidence.. Must be listening to too much Faip De Oiad... :wink: 


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Re: the devil is in the details... 2012 [Re: Adamist]
    #1569476 - 05/22/03 02:03 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Shit every ones been quiting for awhile, this is due to the rise of the greatest most powerful empire the world's EVER seen. I guess some people dont want to be apart of it.



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Re: the devil is in the details... 2012 [Re: johnnyfive]
    #1569497 - 05/22/03 02:08 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

shit....is the american empire still on the rise? i thought it was falling.


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Re: the devil is in the details... 2012 [Re: johnnyfive]
    #1569514 - 05/22/03 02:13 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Fuck their New World Order.

The REAL new order of things is for each and every person to make the choice to govern THEMSELVES. Most people can't even handle this. These people will most likely die.


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Re: the devil is in the details... 2012 [Re: Adamist]
    #1569594 - 05/22/03 02:37 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Ahem, this is heading in the wrong direction for this forum. If this turns into a political discussion I will have to move it to the appropriate forum.

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Re: the devil is in the details... 2012 [Re: ]
    #1570332 - 05/22/03 08:09 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Government is an INNER process, my friend. We are all capable of doing it ourselves. Some just don't fulfill their capabilities. That's why governments still exist. Well... they don't exist forever. When the people wake up, look inside, and realize "hey, I can take responsibility for myself, for my OWN actions, I don't need some guy I don't even KNOW to tell me what to do" that's when the governments are going to be fucked.

This thread's overall theme is spiritual, yes, that's why I posted it here. Just because it's in the S&P forum means I can't cover the subject of governing ourselves?? That's not even a political subject in the traditional sense! It's a matter of inner power and knowing.  :smirk: 


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Re: the devil is in the details... 2012 [Re: Adamist]
    #1570437 - 05/22/03 08:59 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

so...who is gonna control traffic and build mass transit then?

sure...bureaucracy needs to be minimalized, but in socieities with large populations, someone needs to organize how the place works, right?

so even if everyone has "woken up".....we will still need a government.


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Re: the devil is in the details... 2012 [Re: Adamist]
    #1570592 - 05/22/03 09:54 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

"Government is an INNER process, my friend. We are all capable of doing it ourselves. Some just don't fulfill their capabilities."

Anyone can govern themselves. Those people who realize what really makes them feel the best, and then do whatever it takes to acheive what's necessary to feel that way.

Like, uh, child rapists and shit. They've perfected self governance.

We don't all have the same goals. There is no one set of rules for "good" and "bad". It's all a grey area.


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Re: the devil is in the details... 2012 [Re: Phluck]
    #1571671 - 05/23/03 07:53 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

what if there were certain things that needed to be learned.......

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Re: the devil is in the details... 2012 [Re: Phluck] * 1
    #1571746 - 05/23/03 09:16 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

I personally believe there ARE rules of self governance which can be applied to general existance which maximize individual potential W/O causing infringement on any others potential(ie; sociopathic behavior is self governance but by "rules" which conflict with others).
First,ala Buddah,Moderation.This assures enough for all
Second,Care for others as you wished to be cared for.Props to Jesus on this one
Third,Don't take none of this too serious son, ain't none of it no how permanent anyhow. Big ups to the old comic page for wisdom from "Pogo"
IMO strict adherance to these simple(in word) principles, self governance will achieve a consensual mode which can maximize individual potential.This increases the overall potential of the entire race.
This meme IS gaining momentum and is part of a reactionary response from those whose philosophy is founded upon a hierarchy and control.Ironicaly the examination of this response and the overall incompetance of the Governmental paradigm is fueling more people to take the reigns of their lives.Nothing like hating the driver to make you want out of the car and behind your own wheel eh?
As for societal services this mode would decrease the need for social services and infrastructure could be easily accomidated by associated individuals of like interest.The ultimate incorporation of the self governance mode would remove the need for a War industry,freeing huge resources for positive purposes.


Well isn't that special? I do not believe that we are presently poised to take up this role.Much strife and struggle will ensue before the Control meme dies.But like you, Adamist ,I do believe that evolution will make it redundant. And this WILL only occur one mind at a time  :wink: WR


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Re: the devil is in the details... 2012 [Re: Adamist]
    #1571862 - 05/23/03 10:43 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

The way i see it, sure its bad and going to be difficult. This is the result of many many years of people not wakeing up/evolving. In a strange way, im for it.

Lord Osiris has come and he wants his souls! :grin:


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Re: the devil is in the details... 2012 [Re: johnnyfive]
    #1572215 - 05/23/03 01:22 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

what do you guys mean when you say "waking up" ?

do you really want people to "think for themselves" or do you want them to wake up to your reality?

reality is very complex, and there are infinite ways to view it, and when certain people say things like "wake up" it usually translates into "think like me".

have you read the koran? it also criticizes people for not being "awake".







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Re: the devil is in the details... 2012 [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1572432 - 05/23/03 02:36 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

atomicfunk...I see exactly what you are saying but saying "awakened" is a legit way of putting it. There are certain aspects of "self" that, although can be seen differently, are basic "facts". Certain understandings of existence are important and necesary for certain reasons. It all boils down to the question "why am "I" here?".

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Re: the devil is in the details... 2012 [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1572610 - 05/23/03 03:54 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

" ...reality is very complex, and there are infinite ways to view it, ... "
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Hey! howz it goi'n?

Killer new avatar !!!!


You are 100 % totally CORRECT on that statement !!!!

There ARE INFINiTE ways to VIEW it....




However.... Only 1 way is going to happen.... And this single way is the one that is going to affect each and every one of us !!!!.... And you damn right it's going to all come down to a CHOICE !!!!

I do believe that there is a large pre-determnmed part.... But I also believe in a steering ability !




And "when certain people say things like "wake up" ...", I believe they are saying ... HEY !!! Shit's gonna hit the fan if we continue doing things as is... Let's put our intelligent heads together and figure something out !!



C'mon.. you do understand... (don't you?) ... that if things don't change, this ship is going to start to sink soon.... Right?


Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions?




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Re: the devil is in the details... 2012 [Re: whiterasta]
    #1573266 - 05/23/03 08:48 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

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Nothing like hating the driver to make you want out of the car and behind your own wheel eh?



Great way to put it...  :grin: 


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Re: the devil is in the details... 2012 [Re: Deiymiyan]
    #1573564 - 05/23/03 10:49 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)


Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions?

Learn to swim.


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Re: the devil is in the details... 2012 [Re: Murex]
    #1573616 - 05/23/03 11:06 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

"Learn to swim. "
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Cool !!!  Can we wear those neat floatie things?

:grin:

 


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Re: the devil is in the details... 2012 [Re: Deiymiyan]
    #1573634 - 05/23/03 11:11 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

I give this thread a TEN, a fuckin' TEN!


Good posts guys....I like how many people on this board arent afraid to express themselves....having the same old boring intellectual conversations get you no where, its when you truly ask the questions from your heart, and speak from your heart - that people and yourself start to learn.

"Imagination is more important than knowledge" - Einstein was right in this one, and he was way ahead of his time (although we are all starting to catch up to him as a whole)


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Re: the devil is in the details... 2012 [Re: tekramrepus]
    #1573710 - 05/23/03 11:31 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)


Tru dat.

I hope you stick around S&P supermarket. I'm sure you'd contribute a lot. :laugh:


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