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InvisibleXlea321
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Al-qaida stronger than ever
    #1559099 - 05/19/03 01:41 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

After nearly two years of Bush's disastrous "anti-terrorism" policy, the results are in...

Al-Qaida is back and stronger than ever

Security agencies say latest attacks show new level of planning and recruitment

Richard Norton-Taylor
Monday May 19, 2003
The Guardian

Security and intelligence agencies believe al-Qaida has managed to reorganise its network to become a more potent - although more dispersed - force. In the past week, and for the first time since September 11, Osama bin Laden's network has used dozens of suicide bombers against soft targets of civilians in restaurants and residential areas.

Even the bombings in the tourist resort of Bali, although they killed more than 200, used only one or maybe two suicide bombers.

The extent of the planning and the recruitment that went into the Morocco and Saudi attacks, where a total of 23 people blew themselves up in coordinated attacks, as well as devastating explosions in Chechnya, indicate that al-Qaida is again and a force to be reckoned with.

While the Bush administration - and British ministers - trumpeted the collapse of al-Qaida's base in Afghanistan and the arrest of some of the organisation's leaders, intelligence agencies have been far more sceptical.

Defensive measures taken by some countries, notably in western Europe, meant that al-Qaida-inspired and funded groups and individuals were deterred from attacking prestige targets such as American military bases and official buildings of western or pro-western governments.

But that in turn encouraged a shift in tactics towards soft targets. Bali, Casablanca and Riyadh, the Saudi capital, are vivid examples of the tactic.

Jonathan Stevenson, author of the International Institute for Strategic Studies' (IISS) annual strategic survey published last week, described the Riyadh bombings as the first indication that the regime change in Iraq - in the short term - is going to cause a terrorist backlash and be an inspiration for terrorists. Although the audacity and sheer power of the American-led invasion could have a "suppressive effect" on terrorists, it was equally likely that the conflict had increased al-Qaida's recruiting power, he said.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/alqaida/story/0,12469,958881,00.html



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Re: Al-qaida stronger than ever [Re: Xlea321]
    #1559106 - 05/19/03 01:46 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Afghanistan was a beehive. Now we've hit it with a baseball bat and all the bees are dispersed and more pissed than ever.


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Re: Al-qaida stronger than ever [Re: silversoul7]
    #1559821 - 05/19/03 01:14 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

there are a lot of boys in Iraq whose fathers were killed. I wonder who they'll turn to? I bet al qaeda looks pretty good to them right about now. you think al qeada is shaking in their boots because we "sent them a message" by invading Iraq? we responded exactly the way THEY planned it. we walked into it... this will just give them more recruits. this will be a problem a couple of decades from now, long after Bush leaves office so it'll be someone else's problem. what a fuckin mess.


Edited by infidelGOD (05/19/03 01:16 PM)


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Re: Al-qaida stronger than ever [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1559948 - 05/19/03 02:11 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Well said infidel.


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Re: Al-qaida stronger than ever [Re: Xlea321]
    #1560064 - 05/19/03 02:58 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

This is why we have to take more initiative RIGHT now. I think Bush should pass the patriot act 2. It's the only possible solution. If there is any suspicions or dissention they should execute them on site. It is all for the good of the american people. I can't wait until they start issuing all the microchips into the population. That is when we will be completely safe from terrorism and we can return to our job with smiling happy faces.


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Re: Al-qaida stronger than ever [Re: Xlea321]
    #1560356 - 05/19/03 04:35 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

its all bullshit - i think we could have wiped all of these guys out long ago - i mean what the fuck are they talking about when they mention that "terrorist chatter" is at an all-time high? go fucking get the guys you hear "chattering" you morons! heh *ahem!* excuse me..

But yeah it is my opinion that the war on terror is simply being used to exploit and spread our government's influence and modes of control


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Re: Al-qaida stronger than ever [Re: Strumpling]
    #1560383 - 05/19/03 04:42 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

the threat is real and it's not going away.

there are a lot of pissed off motherfuckers out there willing to die and take as many of us with them as possible.
we can't stop terrorism.


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Re: Al-qaida stronger than ever [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1561499 - 05/19/03 10:34 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

of course the threat is real - that doesn't mean we didn't make it


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Re: Al-qaida stronger than ever [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1562010 - 05/20/03 01:39 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

we can't stop terrorism.

You can actually. Plenty of places have stopped terrorism.


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Re: Al-qaida stronger than ever [Re: Xlea321]
    #1562384 - 05/20/03 07:13 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

well, sure we could stop terrorism... if we all put on turbans and started praying to Allah... yeah! that'll show those terrorists!


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Re: Al-qaida stronger than ever [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1562631 - 05/20/03 12:04 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Well, I've lived in a country being bombed by terrorists regularly. It's now stopped. It wasn't achieved through killing everyone - just by looking at the situation from their side.


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Re: Al-qaida stronger than ever [Re: Xlea321]
    #1563317 - 05/20/03 05:20 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

realistically, it would take this country's government a complete restructure and reformatting to even begin to eliminate terrorism. After that, it would take years of civil service and basically being a bitch to international affairs. Terrorism is an unfightable war, but it isn't unwinable. You cannot bomb a country to get rid of the terrorists, you have to fix why they hate you.

my opinion.

ADDITION: babytripster, it seems as though you would risk everything that makes you an individual, able to make free choices, for safety. Sure we could return to our jobs, but with happy, smiling, ignorant, mindlessly controlled faces...
What if you had a close friend you worked with who happened to be of Arabic descent. One day he mail-orders a chemical to clean his algae-ridden pool, and for this reason alone the Feds find him and execute him On Site. This person being one of the American People, how can this be good???
How does killing someone on pure suspicion help anyone?


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Re: Al-qaida stronger than ever [Re: Xlea321]
    #1563384 - 05/20/03 05:47 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Alex123 writes:

It wasn't achieved through killing everyone - just by looking at the situation from their side.

Not necessarily by killing everyone, no -- but how many are serving life sentences in Long Kesh?

It is impossible to stop some fanatics from killing others unless you imprison them or kill them -- after all, that's what a certain irreducible percentage of fanatics do. There will always be fanatics, hence there will always be acts of terrorism.

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Re: Al-qaida stronger than ever [Re: ]
    #1563481 - 05/20/03 06:32 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

This is why we have to take more initiative RIGHT now. I think Bush should pass the patriot act 2. It's the only possible solution. If there is any suspicions or dissention they should execute them on site. It is all for the good of the american people. I can't wait until they start issuing all the microchips into the population. That is when we will be completely safe from terrorism and we can return to our job with smiling happy faces.


Sorry, i don't visit this forum very often but.......you ARE kidding aren't you?


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Re: Al-qaida stronger than ever [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #1563485 - 05/20/03 06:35 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

He better have been...that kind of talk can get you banned in these parts. :wink:


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Re: Al-qaida stronger than ever [Re: Phred]
    #1563510 - 05/20/03 06:44 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

but how many are serving life sentences in Long Kesh?

None? All IRA and Loyalist prisoners were released under the terms of the good friday agreement in 1999-2000. If there are any still in jail it's a tiny number.

The idea that the peace deals were reached through jailing or killing IRA men is a non-starter.

It is impossible to stop some fanatics from killing others unless you imprison them or kill them

Or resolving the reasons why they become fanatics. In our case giving them a fair shake in Northern Ireland ended a terrorist threat that 10 years ago was considered the work of "fanatics" that could never be solved.


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Re: Al-qaida stronger than ever [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #1564912 - 05/21/03 03:27 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

yeah I was kidding. But the sad thing is that there are a good amount of people out there that actually think like that.


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    #1565730 - 05/21/03 02:05 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

It would seem the majority does... :frown:


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