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    #15589309 - 12/29/11 08:37 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

How many of you think in these terms?

It's a very difficult set of constants by which to operate, isn't it?

To assume that nothing you experience now will continue to exist when you die--
What happens with your friends? What happens with your relationships? It must be something important.

To assume that none of your choices have any kind of lasting consequences-- even more terrifying. Impossible to contemplate. They MUST mean SOMETHING.

Get over it? :shrug:

If psychedelics have taught me anything, it's that each and every one of our lives is a blip upon the map of the grand totality.

Get over it? :shrug:


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Re: forget values... forget the afterlife [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #15589320 - 12/29/11 08:39 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Blasphemy. :shakefist:

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Re: forget values... forget the afterlife [Re: PatrickKn]
    #15589387 - 12/29/11 08:48 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I think when we die we pretty much maintain a dreamlike state of whats left of our instincts and memories. Its what ever the fuck you want it to be. I know its illogical since the brain wouldn't function. But what is a soul????


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Re: forget values... forget the afterlife [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #15589393 - 12/29/11 08:49 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

The lack of responses proves my point - that very few people are able to make the decisions I advocate in the thread title.

Pathetic! TRY HARDER! :kingcrankey:


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Re: forget values... forget the afterlife [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #15589405 - 12/29/11 08:50 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Tchan909 said:
How many of you think in these terms?

It's a very difficult set of constants by which to operate, isn't it?

To assume that nothing you experience now will continue to exist when you die--
What happens with your friends? What happens with your relationships? It must be something important.

To assume that none of your choices have any kind of lasting consequences-- even more terrifying. Impossible to contemplate. They MUST mean SOMETHING.

Get over it? :shrug:

If psychedelics have taught me anything, it's that each and every one of our lives is a blip upon the map of the grand totality.

Get over it? :shrug:




i try not to think about it. i tend to go a little crazy.

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Re: forget values... forget the afterlife [Re: devoured]
    #15589406 - 12/29/11 08:51 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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devoured said:
I think when we die we pretty much maintain a dreamlike state of whats left of our instincts and memories. Its what ever the fuck you want it to be. I know its illogical since the brain wouldn't function. But what is a soul????




IMO there will be a generalized dispersion of the consciousness.

I happen to believe that the mind precedes the brain. The brain exists only to rationalize the existence of the mind.


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Re: forget values... forget the afterlife [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 2
    #15589417 - 12/29/11 08:53 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

forget the afterlife, but don't forget values. form your own value system through logic and empathy.


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Re: forget values... forget the afterlife [Re: devoured]
    #15589420 - 12/29/11 08:53 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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devoured said:
I think when we die we pretty much maintain a dreamlike state of whats left of our instincts and memories. Its what ever the fuck you want it to be. I know its illogical since the brain wouldn't function. But what is a soul????



I personally believe that the soul is the part of us that survives the physical body. People's memories of us for example is a piece of the soul, as well as the entirety of our effect on the universe. It's not so much a ghost walking around thinking thoughts, but instead it is the thoughts and effects on the material world we leave behind.

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    #15589426 - 12/29/11 08:54 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: forget values... forget the afterlife [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #15589431 - 12/29/11 08:54 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

i like it

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    #15589432 - 12/29/11 08:54 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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    #15589443 - 12/29/11 08:56 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: forget values... forget the afterlife [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #15589456 - 12/29/11 08:59 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Tchan909 said:
Quote:

devoured said:
I think when we die we pretty much maintain a dreamlike state of whats left of our instincts and memories. Its what ever the fuck you want it to be. I know its illogical since the brain wouldn't function. But what is a soul????




IMO there will be a generalized dispersion of the consciousness.

I happen to believe that the mind precedes the brain. The brain exists only to rationalize the existence of the mind.




Deep. Personally, I'm not sure where I stand with the afterlife, but my values make me who I am... I can't let them go :lol:


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Re: forget values... forget the afterlife [Re: DivineIntensity]
    #15589494 - 12/29/11 09:05 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Tchan909 said:
How many of you think in these terms?

It's a very difficult set of constants by which to operate, isn't it?

To assume that nothing you experience now will continue to exist when you die--
What happens with your friends? What happens with your relationships? It must be something important.

To assume that none of your choices have any kind of lasting consequences-- even more terrifying. Impossible to contemplate. They MUST mean SOMETHING.

Get over it? :shrug:

If psychedelics have taught me anything, it's that each and every one of our lives is a blip upon the map of the grand totality.

Get over it? :shrug:





Yes get over it. But I think its just better to be a good person overall. Life is better
that way without all the chaos. But without the Chaos, would we even know normality?

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Re: forget values... forget the afterlife [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #15589678 - 12/29/11 09:43 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Tchan909 said:
The lack of responses proves my point - that very few people are able to make the decisions I advocate in the thread title.

Pathetic! TRY HARDER! :kingcrankey:


I don't want to make the decisions you advocate in the thread title.  For myself, at least, I want to grapple with the difficult task of developing personal ethics that actually work for me and my situation, tangibly, ultimately meaningless though that situation may be.  We live in a world that is full of conflicting values, and trying to create a void where one's own unique values might be will not do much for oneself or for anyone else, IMO.  I see the huge conflicts of value in the world as a result of people's unconsciousness about why they value the things they do, so conscious, reason-based value-creation seems to be a worthwhile goal to me.

As for the afterlife--I won't go into that. (Pun maybe intended.)


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My body I will give to pleasures,
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any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: forget values... forget the afterlife [Re: Lion]
    #15589721 - 12/29/11 09:50 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Lion, you seem to be grappling quite gorgeously with those things with which I demanded you grapple. Kudos to you!

I expect the same from everyone, and it seems most people are quite dead=set upon avoiding these questions. Quitters and losers, all.


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Re: forget values... forget the afterlife [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #15593627 - 12/30/11 07:22 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Tchan
yesterday I read your OP and nothing else.
Just now I re-read your OP and didn't read the rest of this thread. Your blip collided with mine in a groovy way. I needed to hear those words man. :awehigh:


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Re: forget values... forget the afterlife [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #15593667 - 12/30/11 07:35 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

If what you are saying is the case then why not just do drugs, orgasm and be lazy all day?
Why strive for anything?

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Re: forget values... forget the afterlife [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #15593699 - 12/30/11 07:44 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Tchan909 said:
Lion, you seem to be grappling quite gorgeously with those things with which I demanded you grapple. Kudos to you!

I expect the same from everyone, and it seems most people are quite dead=set upon avoiding these questions. Quitters and losers, all.




As you say, if none of my choices have any lasting consequence, why should I listen to and why do you bother to demand that we listen to what you have to say?


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Re: forget values... forget the afterlife [Re: The Vapor]
    #15593807 - 12/30/11 08:05 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I believe in an afterlife. I don't know what it is, but I believe our consciousness travels on. I was just thinking about this the other day. My sisters ex-boyfriend was shot and killed last week. He was already "dead" when paramedics arrived and they got his pulse going. They med-flighted him to a good trauma center where the doctors determined he had no brain activity and never would. His family kept him on life support until his organs could be taken for donation.

While thinking about this life support he was on I realized that the body and consciousness(soul) are two separate things, and that the brain & body depend on a soul to function. I believe when our body dies the consciousness leaves, once the consciousness is gone the body is receiving no more instructions (obviously). I guess what I am trying to get at is, if there isn't a soul that leaves when someone is put on life support, why does the brain not kick back on like all the other organs in the body? Because it's operator has gone home.

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