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Re: Libertarianism and State Health Care [Re: Anthony]
    #15584054 - 12/28/11 05:43 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I have my own doctor,been my doctor since I was 8 he knows my entire family very well. I can walk in and see him within 20 minutes. I don't know how much you make a hour but your basically giving him a hour or more of your time when you hand over that 20. Education should be provided, knowledge shouldn't be hoareded away and sold at a premium. Libya had a rather socialist government that provided its people with everything they needed, education, housing, even going half on a citizens first car or providing one with a farm land and livestock if they so choose that profession and its country was prospering before the UN bombed the fuckin shit out of them under illegal pretenses (Desposing a legitimate government)




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Re: Libertarianism and State Health Care [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #15584118 - 12/28/11 05:56 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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I have my own doctor,been my doctor since I was 8 he knows my entire family very well. I can walk in and see him within 20 minutes. I don't know how much you make a hour but your basically giving him a hour or more of your time when you hand over that 20. Education should be provided, knowledge shouldn't be hoareded away and sold at a premium. Libya had a rather socialist government that provided its people with everything they needed, education, housing, even going half on a citizens first car or providing one with a farm land and livestock if they so choose that profession and its country was prospering before the UN bombed the fuckin shit out of them under illegal pretenses (Desposing a legitimate government)


Give the people what they need to prosper, and so they shall.




are you aware that if you took the amount of money the federal government spends educating one child K-12, and gave that money to the parents, they could afford to privately educate their children?

Why should we let the government decide what our children learn in schools? How come it was never required that I take a single finance class in school? Not one? Why do most kids graduate from high school without a real understanding of how credit works? Or what a mortgage is?

Instead we are forced to take art classes and science classes...SO many classes that have absolutely NO bearing in the real world.

How many of you have used the knowledge you learned in chemistry in your every day life? I know that I haven't used it once. Half of the math classes I took are completely irrelevant to my life, same with all the art & science I was FORCED to take.

I'd rather send my child to a school where I know what they will be learning. I know that their teacher isn't going to be a huge liberal, pushing their agenda on all their students...it's just a better system when it's run privately.

Look at where the private sector competes with government, and how badly government fails. The USPS is a perfect example. I could pay UPS or FedEx $10 more in order for my package to be delivered 10 days sooner. The DOL is the slowest, most useless group of fucks on earth.
How often do you see 3 city workers standing around 1 guy digging a hole?

The federal government is fucking useless. That's something a lot of people seem to not realize...it's so obvious. All you have to do is open your eyes.

All people need to prosper is the opportunity to make something of themselves. I am the 2nd generation of my family to be born in the U.S. My great grandparents moved to Canada from Italy with absolutely nothing. My dad was so poor growing up...for haircuts they used to go in the kitchen, put a bowl on their head, and cut the hair off that stuck out. When he was 17 he was working 3 jobs. He bought his first house in his early 20's, and has been hard at work doing construction ever since.

Now he owns a $500,000+ home, owns his car, a boat, motorcycle, and motorhome. Nothing was provided for him besides a shanty roof over his head and some abusive, angry parents. How did my dad do it? Hard. fuckin. work.

That's what is great about this country. Those are the ideals that this country was founded upon.

Once you give something to somebody, they no longer provide it for themselves. Why should they? The more you give, the more they will demand.
Not to mention the fact that it is impossible to provide everyone with these things for free. Nothing is free. You don't seem to understand that.


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Re: Libertarianism and State Health Care [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #15584269 - 12/28/11 06:31 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Bodhi of Ankou said:
I have my own doctor,been my doctor since I was 8 he knows my entire family very well. I can walk in and see him within 20 minutes. I don't know how much you make a hour but your basically giving him a hour or more of your time when you hand over that 20.





and does that doctor of yours see you for free or does he require payment for that hour of his time

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Education should be provided, knowledge shouldn't be hoareded away and sold at a premium.




education is provided thanks to the local system of property tax, if you
cant learn all you need to know to educate yourself by the time you
graduate high school then there's no point in you going further. millions
of people have paid for their college education, many didnt bother with
worthless course loads and found that it was far easier to repay loans. if
the public sector were to start paying for higher education then shouldnt
we do away with the senseless, liberal arts courses like african american
studies and art history, all things you can learn without college and all
useless degrees with no real world applications


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Libya had a rather socialist government that provided its people with everything they needed, education, housing, even going half on a citizens first car or providing one with a farm land and livestock if they so choose that profession and its country was prospering before the UN bombed the fuckin shit out of them under illegal pretenses (Desposing a legitimate government)





and no one had to work? as I recall the employer pays the bulk of the
taxes both on the employees wage and through corporate taxation, I also
seem to recall that in libya they earn about $9000/yr as a result of al
the taxes... they then have to pay a portion of that to the libyan
government, unlike in the US where the majority are given refunds on what
was paid in, many of those receiving more in return than was paid


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Re: Libertarianism and State Health Care [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #15584288 - 12/28/11 06:35 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

the EITC is such a load of shit


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Re: Libertarianism and State Health Care [Re: Anthony]
    #15584289 - 12/28/11 06:35 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Look at where the private sector competes with government, and how badly government fails. The USPS is a perfect example. I could pay UPS or FedEx $10 more in order for my package to be delivered 10 days sooner.





I actually just did a rate comparison from fedex, ups, dhl and USPS. the
postal service was almost double the rate with a longer ship time than UPS,
fedex and DHL were just slightly higher than UPS

how can they charge more and yet still be failing

government/unions

watch what happens with fedex now that they've unionized


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Re: Libertarianism and State Health Care [Re: Anthony]
    #15584360 - 12/28/11 06:56 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Oh for fuck sakes,I repeatdly pointed out it would be funded with tax money. Healthcare and education is not providing evreything.  That bowl haircut bit sounds like a load of horseshit, and the state of your countries education system is because of your governments actions. Canada ranks 4th in the quality of education and our system is government run up to the university level which is largely publically funded. Your government can't do jack shit right. The USA's Federal government, is fuckin useless. Tighter restrictions and qualifying factors for welfare would prevent so many lazy fucks from abusing the system.


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Re: Libertarianism and State Health Care [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #15584378 - 12/28/11 07:02 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Oh for fuck sakes,I repeatdly pointed out it would be funded with tax money. Healthcare and education is not providing evreything.  That bowl haircut bit sounds like a load of horseshit, and the state of your countries education system is because of your governments actions. Canada ranks 4th in the quality of education and our system is government run up to the university level which is largely publically funded. Your government can't do jack shit right. The USA's Federal government, is fuckin useless. Tighter restrictions and qualifying factors for welfare would prevent so many lazy fucks from abusing the system.





you're calling the government useless, then advocating for increasing its size?

what?


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Re: Libertarianism and State Health Care [Re: Anthony]
    #15584401 - 12/28/11 07:09 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, In a way. Although I don't see how exactly that's making it bigger.


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Re: Libertarianism and State Health Care [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #15585227 - 12/28/11 11:04 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Yeah, In a way. Although I don't see how exactly that's making it bigger.




how is putting the hands of education, healthcare, and housing in the hands of the government not increasing its size?


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Re: Libertarianism and State Health Care [Re: Anthony]
    #15585250 - 12/28/11 11:10 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

LOL you think I mean all housing? I meant it as the government giving out checks to the renter to cover it if your one living in poverty, as for education its no different then student loans except they don't need to be paid back. I don't see a how making the government fund healthcare is giving them more power, they alreayd have enough executive orders and bills to strip you of all your freedoms and fuck you in the ass if they so feel the need,


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Re: Libertarianism and State Health Care [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #15585616 - 12/29/11 01:55 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Bodhi of Ankou said:
LOL you think I mean all housing? I meant it as the government giving out checks to the renter to cover it if your one living in poverty, as for education its no different then student loans except they don't need to be paid back. I don't see a how making the government fund healthcare is giving them more power, they alreayd have enough executive orders and bills to strip you of all your freedoms and fuck you in the ass if they so feel the need,




do you realize that the reason college is so expensive is because of government subsidies?

So the government gives money to people who don't have it. That's all you're saying. Stealing from the rich to give to the poor.


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