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Offlineflanders53
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Pan subbs up in CNY...
    #1558212 - 05/18/03 07:14 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Hey New Yorkers just letting you know the pan subbs are up here in CNY. I picked a few yesterday and today..they are drying now. After the rains, the subbs dried out significantly in the intense sun these last two days. Hopefully we'll get some rain and much more will come up!! Good luck subb hunters.


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Re: Pan subbs up in CNY... [Re: flanders53]
    #1558555 - 05/18/03 10:08 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

do u know if u can find subbs in western NY around buffalo


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Re: Pan subbs up in CNY... [Re: showcivic17]
    #1558898 - 05/18/03 11:45 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

hey man, from cny too. where abouts are you, maybe we can read the rules.


Edited by Gumby: I'm not going to trash a whole thread by moving it to the gathering forum. I suggest you read the very first thread in this forum(you know, the one that says "EVERYONE READ") that states the new rules. All requests for hunting partners belong in the Gathering forum.


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Re: Pan subbs up in CNY... [Re: flanders53]
    #1560629 - 05/19/03 05:59 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I think Pan Subbs probably come up around buffalo. I'm like 5 hours from there I think though.

wangyo - I'm in a situation where I can't really meet anyone. (probation...paranoid)

Thanks gumby for not moving it. Sorry wangyo, good luck though man.


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Re: Pan subbs up in CNY... [Re: flanders53]
    #1562373 - 05/20/03 06:58 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I live near syracuse and I want to know if you
can find liberty's around here because i hard they only grow upstate new york near the mountains....It's just something i heard


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Re: Pan subbs up in CNY... [Re: showcivic17]
    #1562383 - 05/20/03 07:13 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Panaeolus subbalteatus is an early spring and early fall shroom. It most likely would not be growing right now in upper NY.

mjshroomer. Iff so it would be at riding stables and/or race tracks and most likely would not be foound in manure heaps.

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Re: Pan subbs up in CNY... [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1562399 - 05/20/03 07:36 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

MJ - Pan subbs are mainly found in rotting hay/manure in pastures, horse pastures correct?

I don't whether you are doubting me or not in you're post, and I don't think you are, but I just want to say that I'm absolutely positive these are pan subbs. I picked a shit load of them last year and tripped quite nicely on them. :smile:

I checked my other spot a few days ago...its was a large mound of horse manure/moist soil and small amounts of sand. It was bulldozed over!!! I almost cried. That spot produced many, many large fruits last year. :frown:

Civic- I looked for libertys last year but to no avail. I haven't heard of any being picked around here lately. I really wish I could find some. I'm not sure whether they come up around here or not. Maybe they are very rare. MJShroomer I would really appreciate some P. Semilanceata info for the state of NY if you have some. Thanks man.


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Re: Pan subbs up in CNY... [Re: flanders53]
    #1562549 - 05/20/03 10:49 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, Horse manure wmixed with stable shavings, wood flakes and hay compost with horse manure but not directly from horse manure.

And they are rare in cow manure.

Their main habitat is rotted hay.

Check Angry shrooms post here for some beautiful digital imaes of Panaeolus subbalteatus or lok at them in my field guide at my shroom site.

It would be nice if you posted some pictures.

your shrooms could be one of three or four different species hich macroscopically resemble PN. subbs.

Their normal season is early spring and early fall. Here and in Oregon they disappear right bout now before the hot months began. They do not grow in the hot summer months anywher einthe USA. and then they reappear, not as much inthe early fall.

Still a few images would be nice/.

you can always take a few specimens to Kinkos and scan them tot he shroomery. It is very easy to do. I have sent scanned images of shrooms over the internet when i did not have my camera with me.

mj


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Re: Pan subbs up in CNY... [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1562589 - 05/20/03 11:33 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I dunno about all that. LK posted pics last summer of Pan subbs growing directly from horse manure.


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Re: Pan subbs up in CNY... [Re: Gumby]
    #1562758 - 05/20/03 01:38 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

A one in a million fruiting no doubt.

Joshua in Oregon found them in a lawn last year, a few pounds of them. However it did not return this year.

Another one in a million freuiting.

I found them in woodchips in five different times in Seattle in twenty-five years and only in cow manure about five times in thirty years. 99% of thetcollections I seen are like Angry Shrooms massive fruiting in Northern California from a compost heap.

Yes they can make that appearance but it is extremely rare and usually does not occur again for years. ANd usually in small amounts if in manure at all. I dfound one field on Maui in 1986 with P. subbs in cow manure and have never found them since that one.

And I go to pastures every year.

I usually avoid horse pastures becasue the liberty caps I like are in cattle fields more than where horses are.

mj

As I asked, a few pictures would be appreciative here inthe shroomery/.

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Re: Pan subbs up in CNY... [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1562989 - 05/20/03 03:11 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

So wait...liberty's arent common around CNY only upstate..please help me out because i don't want to waist my time looking for them...



and another thing i don't live near any horse tracks or pastures but theres a big thing of hay or straw in my back yard do you think pan. subbs will grow on that or no?

get back to me when u can


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Re: Pan subbs up in CNY... [Re: showcivic17]
    #1563027 - 05/20/03 03:24 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Sorry for all the questions but i guess thats why your here.right?


i went on many sites and most of them said that liberty cap mushies dont grow in NY only in california and around there..this website is the only one that says that....so whats true??


i heard pan. subbs. are easily found on golf coarses and what luck theres one behind my house..

Thanks for all the help......


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Re: Pan subbs up in CNY... [Re: Gumby]
    #1563060 - 05/20/03 03:35 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

GumbyDude I agree. I have picked Pan Subbs directly from horse manure also, but only once. John - I will post a picture of some that I ate last year. The image is a little small, but you can see their size pretty well. I fucking had the best trip of my life on these same mushrooms in the picture.

And MJ I also found two very tall Pan Subbs growing from what looked like the grass but I think there have been old wood chips there now I that I think about it. I am absolutely sure they were Pan Subbs too. There are pins outside right now, when they mature I will snap pictures for you. I will be tripping on the ones that I dry most likely this weekend.

**edit - I should probably add that the Pan Subbs in this box had been drying for about a day or so, which accounts for their ligher cap appearance. I believe these were picked around midsummer.



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Re: Pan subbs up in CNY... [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1563121 - 05/20/03 03:56 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

mj, the winter has been exceptionally long and nasty here in ny this season. so, parameters are currently in the "early spring" range. in fact, it has been so cold here that the first spring mushrooms of the year are popping out only now. so, i think flanders' got it quite right :smile: 


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Re: Pan subbs up in CNY... [Re: comario2]
    #1563307 - 05/20/03 05:15 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Flanders, I do not think that your shrooms are panaeolus subbalteatus.

The primary reason is that I have picked this shreoom for over twenty years and i have never seen a single shiny cap on a single specimen ever. Your caps are shiny and that is not the feathure of Panaelus subbalteatus.
Also your shrooms are completely conical and do not have the od bell shape of Panaeolus subbalteatus. They are most likely a related Panaeolus. But OI dpo not nbelieve they are subbs.

I wish you could post a much larger picture for me to scrutinize.

mj.



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Re: Pan subbs up in CNY... [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1563448 - 05/20/03 06:17 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Dude. I tripped harder than I've ever tripped before on those exact same mushrooms, the exact same night I took that picture. Ever spore print that I took came out JET BLACK. They are pan subbs.

Have you ever picked subbs from the east coast? I have read a few different sites that state that the appearance of Pan Subbs varies greatly from the east to the west.

<a href="https://files.shroomery.org/files/080402-5/56591-DSCN0173.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="/forums/thumbs/080402-5/56591-thumb_DSCN0173.jpg"></a>

<a href="https://files.shroomery.org/files/080402-5/71791-DSCN0180.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="/forums/thumbs/080402-5/71791-thumb_DSCN0180.jpg"></a>

<a href="https://files.shroomery.org/files/072802-33/73538-mush2.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="/forums/thumbs/072802-33/73538-thumb_mush2.jpg"></a>



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Re: Pan subbs up in CNY... [Re: flanders53]
    #1563744 - 05/20/03 08:25 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

There are three relatives of panaeolus subbalteatus which resemble very closely are somewhat macroscopically similar to P. subbalteatus.

Panaeolus olivaceus, Panaeolus retirugis, and Panaeolus microsporus, a the latter is common in southern Ontario and the Northeast USA.

I am sure that your shrooms becauee of the specifics I mentioned above are probably one of those three species I just provided.

There are also Panaeolus moellariana, Panaeolus ater, and Panaeolus fimicola.

Those are all psychoactive and similar to P. subbalteatus.

But I still think your shrooms are one of the above three I first listed.













Notice the thickness and color of the stems. Notice that all the caps eventually become flat with age.

Thses are two features not in your mushrooms as are many i cited above.

Here is uyour photo enlarged to two hundred prescent. No way are yours the same mushroom.



mj
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Re: Pan subbs up in CNY... [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1563761 - 05/20/03 08:33 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)



I will post this above to show comparison to other photos I posted. Again your shrooms are not Panaeolus subbalteatus.

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Re: Pan subbs up in CNY... [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1565060 - 05/21/03 07:04 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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