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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Irishdrunk]
    #15580673 - 12/27/11 09:55 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

quit the rhetoric 'Drunk, Obama isn't having any troops come home, he is just re positioning them around the middle east.

Plane and simple, Obama is for the military industrial complex, for the Fed, for more wars without a declaration of congress, and in favor of succeeding our sovereignty to third party org's like the UN.

Paul wants to end foreign aid indiscriminately, that is by far the most logical way to handle our spending problem. Cut abroad. And Don't even act like Obama hasn't fucking ducked on virtually every one of his promises, whether it's MMJ or bringing the troops home right away

plus Obama is a KEYNESIAN, Paul abides by the Austrian school of economics, should we not have the choice?


Paul will murder Obama if he gets to debate with him, the question is why would we put anyone else up on stage to debate Obama besides Ron Paul? Is there any difference between the others and Obama that's significant enough to save the ship?

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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #15580675 - 12/27/11 09:55 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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The independent/young voter combo worked for Barack Obama in securing an unexpectedly large victory on the Democratic side in 2008 and it may be Paul's winning equation in 2012.



And there, ladies and gentlemen, is your parallel. Basically all the folks who jumped on the Obama bandwagon and then became instantly disillusioned once he actually made it into office, are now doing the same for Ron Paul. Hope you aren't getting your hopes up too high this time around.

"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."





Yes but in this case Ron Paul has a 30 year voting record and history to back it up.  Who also has had a movement slowly blding up for a long time.  Obama had no record and was relatively unknown when he got big in the race, this time it's different.  Even if Ron Paul vetoed half the bills that got pushed through congress he would be much better than Obama.

I don't think ending wars overseas, war on drugs, getting government out of internet and our personal lives, and cutting government spending is so radical.  He wouldn't be ale to do everything he wants to do but Ron Paul has even said that himself.  Ultimately if Ron Paul won that would mean the mindset in the country has changed about Government and people wnat less Government so to speak.

Obama broke a lot of his promises but he didn't even have a voting record to back it up which is why I didn't vote for Obama or anyone in the last election.

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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: skatealex2]
    #15580706 - 12/27/11 10:01 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

whoever pretends that Obama is anti war has got to be fucking kidding me

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After Jon Brennan, President Obama’s top counterterrorism adviser, claimed in June that no civilians had been killed in US drone attacks in nearly a year, the Bureau of Investigative Journalism reported that at least 45 civilians were killed in 10 US attacks during that period.

Overall, drone strikes in Pakistan have killed 780 civilians, including 175 children. The bureau documents 309 CIA drone strikes carried out since 2004 that have killed as many as 2,997 people. Over 85 percent were launched by the Obama administration, an average of one strike every four days. Yet the casualties of the US drone war rarely receive mention in the corporate media, except when described as “Islamic militants” or “suspected terrorists.” This is challenged not only by the bureau’s data, but also by gruesome photographs of drone victims taken by local journalists.

The Guardian described the images captured by Noor Behram, a journalist from the North Waziristan region of Pakistan, whose work appeared in an exhibition at London's Beaconsfield gallery in August:

The photographs make for difficult viewing and leave no doubt about the destructive power of the Hellfire missiles unleashed: a boy with the top of his head missing, a severed hand, flattened houses, the parents of children killed in a strike. The chassis is all that remains of a car in one photo, another shows the funeral of a seven-year-old child. There are pictures, too, of the cheap rubber flip-flops worn by children and adults, which often survive: signs that life once existed there. A 10-year-old boy's body, prepared for burial, shows lipstick on him and flowers in his hair – a mother's last loving touch.




at least if we nominate Paul we will have someone who offers a different look at foreign policy on stage, there is virtually no difference in foreign policy between Obama and Ginrich/Romney etc.

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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead] * 1
    #15580857 - 12/27/11 10:33 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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quit the rhetoric 'Drunk, Obama isn't having any troops come home, he is just re positioning them around the middle east.

Plane and simple, Obama is for the military industrial complex, for the Fed, for more wars without a declaration of congress, and in favor of succeeding our sovereignty to third party org's like the UN.

Paul wants to end foreign aid indiscriminately, that is by far the most logical way to handle our spending problem. Cut abroad. And Don't even act like Obama hasn't fucking ducked on virtually every one of his promises, whether it's MMJ or bringing the troops home right away

plus Obama is a KEYNESIAN, Paul abides by the Austrian school of economics, should we not have the choice?


Paul will murder Obama if he gets to debate with him, the question is why would we put anyone else up on stage to debate Obama besides Ron Paul? Is there any difference between the others and Obama that's significant enough to save the ship?




HA, keep believing the republican bullshit dude.  Keep in mind Obama had the balls to pull off Bin Ladens raid, Bush Jr.'s dad was insulted by the guy but Bush Jr missed the opportunity to kill the guy because hes a pussy.  Republicans have a 20 point lower intelligence rating and it shows with these republican candidates.  It's a joke dude, Obama's going to win and I'll bet your ass 1000$.......I don't mind exploiting your stupidity for 1000$.......you up for it?  I know I'm good for 1000$ and will pay if he loses, but are you good for your word?

Your party has failed and failed and failed, yet you keep saying OH THE NEXT ONE WILL BE AWESOME.......RON PAUL WILL TEAR UP THE SYSTEM!  Sadly Ron Paul will only be the president who is in office while the chinks take over.  That's all he'll be remembered for if he wins.


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Irishdrunk]
    #15580865 - 12/27/11 10:35 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

To those planning on voting for Ron Paul, don't forget to register as a republican soon so you can vote in the primaries. Don't make the same mistakes as 2008. Just a heads up.

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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #15580884 - 12/27/11 10:38 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Ya, we'd all like to know who cheated their way through highschool and college, maybe someone will uncover you all as idiots who cheated.


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Irishdrunk]
    #15580905 - 12/27/11 10:45 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Drunk I come from a predominantly left-leaning family and community, I've been immersed in the rhetoric, I've heard all the 'strawmen' and all the other rhetoric towards republicans, shit for my life I believed a shit ton of it.

I'm arguing for a Paul vs. Obama ticket. That way we ALEAST have the chance to choose between a VETERAN with support from our military who supports a non interventionist foreign policy, and who can properly debate Obama's keynesian views on economics.


The erosion of civil liberties, the market manipulation and the meddling in foreign business is what I disagree with most about the democratic party. If you want to support Obama, by all means it is your right. But to argue that Obama has not lied and that Obama is actually "anti-war" is fucking ignorant man.

You know damn well Obama's campaign was bought and paid for by the fucking crooks responsible for the housing mess, he doesn't represent the people's interest, he is only now trying to meander to the anti-war base that he aroused back in '08.

Ron Paul is the peace candidate, unless the congress declared war. Then we could go to war. that's all he wants is to go the constitutional way

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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #15580964 - 12/27/11 10:59 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Obama passed health care reform, remember the last time that happened?  I don;t.......Sure, it helps the poor.....but it's better to spend money on American poor people than some other continent...

It's supposed to be the greatest country in the world, but poor people die every day due to lack of money for treatment....while millions of Africans get aid from the US.........start treating your own people first.  WTF.

As for the biggest negative Obama is known for.........the bail-out was completely required to save the country from a chain effect of banks going bankrupt.  If he hadn't done it, the whole country would be in a DEEP DEPRESSION.  Any president would have done the same.  The sad thing is that some of those banks took the money they needed, and with the earnings they gave their execs huge bonuses, which shouldn't have happened, but no one at the time imagined that would happen.

IMO Obama has done a good job, sure some things happened but they were unimaginable at the time.  He's been pretty good internationally, ending the Iraq occupation as soon as he promised, fuck who cares what they do now that the US is gone, its their problem.  He ramped up Afghan presence, which should have been the focus in the first place, and hes slowly turning around the economy from what would have been a depression under a republican president.


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #15580976 - 12/27/11 11:02 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

As for human rights, you'd rather condemn gay war hero's for what they were born with than honor them for what they do for the country?  And you'd rather force rape victims to bear children from the rapist?  Lets not forget about stem cells..........something that is hugely important for future health sciences, but banned if republicans have their way.


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: skatealex2]
    #15580977 - 12/27/11 11:02 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Does Ron Paul have a chance to get voted in by the mainstream and enough of the underground?


Ether way he is in his 70's so I think this is his last shot.

:ronpaul: :potleaf:





No. This is why:

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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Irishdrunk]
    #15580984 - 12/27/11 11:03 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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As for human rights, you'd rather condemn gay war hero's for what they were born with than honor them for what they do for the country?  And you'd rather force rape victims to bear children from the rapist?  Lets not forget about stem cells..........something that is hugely important for future health sciences, but banned if republicans have their way.



You're assuming quite a bit about this guy on the basis that he runs on a republican ticket.

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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #15580992 - 12/27/11 11:05 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

If he goes independent and changes some of his racist shit, I'll change my mind.


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Irishdrunk]
    #15581043 - 12/27/11 11:19 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Why should he run as an independent when he can run as a republican and change the ideas within the party?

On homosexual members of the military: "To me, this seems like an awful waste. Personal behavior that is disruptive should be subject to military discipline regardless of whether the individual is heterosexual or homosexual. But to discharge an otherwise well-trained, professional, and highly skilled member of the military for these reasons is unfortunate and makes no financial sense."

He has voted to repeal Don't Ask Don't Tell.

On Stem Cells and Abortion, I disagree with his personal stances, however he repeatedly votes for a states right to determine it's own laws regarding both, which is something I entirely agree with.

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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #15581052 - 12/27/11 11:21 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm, I didn't know that.  I shall go buy another bottle of whiskey and consider this.  Paul suddenly seems tempting........


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Irishdrunk]
    #15583173 - 12/28/11 02:11 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

No, no chance.

Especially not now w/ the media suddenly clued into his racist newsletter.

I don't want to seem like I'm jumping on the bandwagon, so for the record I was talking here about all this racist bullshit almost four years ago.

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“[O]ur country is being destroyed by a group of actual and potential terrorists—and they can be identified by the color of their skin.”

“I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city [Washington, D.C.] are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.”

“We are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, but it is hardly irrational.”

“The riots, burning, looting, and murders are only a continuation of 30 years of racial politics.”

“The criminals who terrorize our cities—in riots and on every non-riot day—are not exclusively young black males, but they largely are. As children, they are trained to hate whites, to believe that white oppression is responsible for all black ills, to “fight the power,” and to steal and loot as much money from the white enemy as possible. Anything is justified against ‘The Man.’ And ‘The Woman.’’”

“My friend waved to the tiny [African-American] child, who scowled, stuck out her tongue, and said (somewhat tautologically): “I hate you, white honkey.” And the parents were indulgent. Is any white child taught to hate in this way?” [As a matter of fact, Paul has appeared on a radio program called “The Political Cesspool,” which has featured the neo-Nazi twin pop stars Prussian Blue. –ed.]

“But this is normal, and in fact benign, compared to much of the anti-white ideology in the thoroughly racist black community. The black leadership indoctrinates its followers with phony history and phony theory to bolster its claims of victimology.”

“Korean-Americans, hated by blacks, never riot, and in fact are some of the most productive people in America (the reason for black hatred).”

“The cause of the riots is plain: barbarism. If the barbarians cannot loot sufficiently through legal channels (i.e., the riots being the welfare-state minus the middleman), they resort to illegal ones, to terrorism.”

“We must not kowtow to the street hoodlums and their sanctimonious leaders.”

“Regardless of what the media tell us, most white Americans are not going to believe that they are at fault for what blacks have done to cities across America. The professional blacks may have cowed the elites, but good sense survives at the grass roots.”

“Indeed, it is shocking to consider the uniformity of opinion among blacks in this country.”

“Blacks have ‘civil rights,’ preferences, set-asides for government contracts, gerrymandered voting districts, black bureaucracies, black mayors, black curricula in schools, black beauty contests, black TV shows, black TV anchors, black scholarships and colleges, hate crime laws, and public humiliation for anyone who dares question the black agenda.”





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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Irishdrunk] * 1
    #15584041 - 12/28/11 05:41 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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If he goes independent and changes some of his racist shit, I'll change my mind.



You're a Canuck.  Nobody gives a shit if you change your mind about L. Ron.  Go vote for Steven Harper.  Nobody gives a shit about that either.


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #15584049 - 12/28/11 05:42 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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No, no chance.

Especially not now w/ the media suddenly clued into his racist newsletter.

I don't want to seem like I'm jumping on the bandwagon, so for the record I was talking here about all this racist bullshit almost four years ago.





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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: skatealex2]
    #15584074 - 12/28/11 05:46 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Knowing how things usually go I think Romney will beat him, but Im pretty sure he will beat Gingrich, Santorum, Bachman, etc.


I think Romney will win the election even though I dont plan to vote for him...or paul or obama for that matter...

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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: MisterMuscaria]
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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #15585129 - 12/28/11 10:36 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Obama doesn't deserve another chance. What is this a nintendo game? Get outta here.

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