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****UPDATED/ NEW CHAMBER****Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85%
    #15580902 - 12/27/11 10:44 PM (13 years, 23 days ago)

i think the holes are a touch to big, think i could cover a few up with some tape or something like that? what other ways could i not be getting a full 95% humidity? ambient room humidity is never below 30%

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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: 404]
    #15580918 - 12/27/11 10:49 PM (13 years, 23 days ago)

Did you use a 1/4 inch drill bit as described in the TEK? Did you make holes
every 2 inches on all 6 sides of the tote as described in the TEK? Did you
then place 4-6 inches of moistened and strained perlite into the tote?

If you have done all of the above I would say that your problem is the
cheap chinese hygrometer you are using to measure humidity.

A properly constructed SGFC will easily provide 90-100% RH, regardless of
what the cheap meter tells you.

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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #15580954 - 12/27/11 10:57 PM (13 years, 23 days ago)

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Did you use a 1/4 inch drill bit as described in the TEK? Did you make holes
every 2 inches on all 6 sides of the tote as described in the TEK? Did you
then place 4-6 inches of moistened and strained perlite into the tote?

If you have done all of the above I would say that your problem is the
cheap chinese hygrometer you are using to measure humidity.

A properly constructed SGFC will easily provide 90-100% RH, regardless of
what the cheap meter tells you.




I have roughly 3 inches of perlite in the bottom. perhaps i should use more?

I'm making due with whatever i can get a hold of. i have an outdoor digital thermometer, i lysol'd it and put it in the chamber, it measures humidity, temperature, if its wet or what trend the temp/humidity is on. its also old as crap, but it works.

as for the holes, let me put it this way, since we apparently have no rulers in this house -_-, you can basically take a normal sized BB, and put it all the way through the hole without having it getting stuck easily.

they are roughly two inches apart, though i winged it, (im learning at least!)

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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: 404]
    #15580982 - 12/27/11 11:03 PM (13 years, 23 days ago)

Sounds like your hygrometer is crap. You can disregard whatever it tells
you. If you want accurate RH readings you will need a analog meter that you
can calibrate by wrapping it with a damp towel. After letting it sit in the
towel for half an hour position the set screw to 100% RH. You will not have
accurate readings. The meter you have now is good for a few things tho,
target practice, paper weight, frisbee etc.

Make sure you have at least 4 inches of moistened perlite in your chamber.
Also should use a 1/4 inch drill bit...since all BB's are not the same size
no one will be able to tell you the scale of your holes in regards to them. A picture may help.

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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #15581061 - 12/27/11 11:23 PM (13 years, 23 days ago)

I use 6~7 inches of perlite in my SGFCs...  Be sure you have a minimum of two inches below your FC for proper air movement.  Using four 1/2 pint jars works :thumbup:

As far as hole size goes; a small diameter difference equates to a large surface area difference.  As an example:  a 1/2in hole has four times the surface area as a 1/4in hole...

A 1/4in hole is approximately 6mm...  If your holes were, say, 4.5mm (bbs are ~4.35mm); then you're possibly selling yourself short...

(6/2)squared x pie = 28.274333882

(4.5/2)squared x pie = 15.904312809


As you can see...  About HALF the surface area...  And that doesn't take into account the micro-turbulent action associated with the edge of the hole, ie, friction loss...


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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: HorizonSpawn]
    #15581287 - 12/28/11 12:53 AM (13 years, 22 days ago)

Can't be sure how big the holes are without a dang ruler, but here are some pictures to give you an idea of my setup. she sits on top of a closet rack, right underneath some big "cool white" cfl's no idea what kelvin it is, but...

anyway:


the device was purchased from radio shack a long time ago. lolol

I just added more perlite by the way, and i did a bit of fanning after i added the new stuff. theres a jar in there with mycelium still on the side, and then there's the birthed cake in the far back, which has been rolled in verm, quite a few days back actually... I'm not really expecting anything from it right now, i'm trying to get the fc done right so when my others are done consolidating for a few weeks, they'll be ready.

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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: 404]
    #15581673 - 12/28/11 05:25 AM (13 years, 22 days ago)

Those holes are a bit small, but as long as they're on all six sides, you'll be fine.  Those cheap hygrometers are crap and don't read right. 
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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #15581960 - 12/28/11 08:37 AM (13 years, 22 days ago)

Of all the colors to pick for your tub, you picked the wrong one :facepalm: You're stopping a LOT of the desired light spectrum from reaching your mushies :frown:

If unable to find clear, try yellow or anything other than blue...

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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: HorizonSpawn]
    #15582299 - 12/28/11 10:22 AM (13 years, 22 days ago)

Welp, looks like I'm out to get a new hygrometer. As for the blue tub, didn't know it until i had it set up! should be fine though, i can take the lid off and give the cakes a few minutes of sunlight everyday to make up for it.

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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: 404]
    #15582326 - 12/28/11 10:30 AM (13 years, 22 days ago)

if you don't live in a desert, and build a SGFC to spec, you don't need a hydrometer.

besides, humidity isn't the crux of mushroom cultivation.

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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: Munchauzen]
    #15582360 - 12/28/11 10:39 AM (13 years, 22 days ago)

Is there holes on all six sides?


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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: dtowntoker]
    #15582500 - 12/28/11 11:18 AM (13 years, 22 days ago)

Quote:

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if you don't live in a desert, and build a SGFC to spec, you don't need a hydrometer.

besides, humidity isn't the crux of mushroom cultivation.





She's a bit under spec i'm afraid lol. what is the crux then?

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Is there holes on all six sides?




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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: 404]
    #15582508 - 12/28/11 11:23 AM (13 years, 22 days ago)

free air exchange

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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: Munchauzen]
    #15582720 - 12/28/11 12:11 PM (13 years, 22 days ago)

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Don't you mean 'fresh' ?

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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: 404]
    #15582737 - 12/28/11 12:16 PM (13 years, 22 days ago)

Correct, fresh.

It's fresh air exchange to replace stale air.  In an ideal world, growers would spend money on CO2 detectors before spending it on chinese hygrometers which don't work anyway.  Keep the CO2 level below 1000 ppm and your fruits will do fine.

Some books refer to 'air exchanges per hour', but this misses the point entirely because it doesn't take into account how many substrates are present.  If you have a small space with three air exchanges per hour, it will get a lot nastier with 100 substrates present than with only one or two.
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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #15582837 - 12/28/11 12:49 PM (13 years, 22 days ago)

I originally wrote fresh and changed it. seen many people write both but most always just say FAE.

was trying to not abbreviate around newbs

good to know though.

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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #15583207 - 12/28/11 02:17 PM (13 years, 22 days ago)

a brand new analog hygrometer should work just fine right? I think i'll stop by sears and pick one up.

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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: 404]
    #15583316 - 12/28/11 02:42 PM (13 years, 22 days ago)

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a brand new analog hygrometer should work just fine right? I think i'll stop by sears and pick one up.




imho save your money and gas its not going to help anything

the only thing it offers is reassurance that an SGFC is the shit at creating ideal growing environments

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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: Munchauzen]
    #15583450 - 12/28/11 03:07 PM (13 years, 22 days ago)

:whathesaid:

i still havent bought a hygrometer.

maybe when i make a humidity tent for edibles i'll invest in one.

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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: k00laid]
    #15589274 - 12/29/11 08:30 PM (13 years, 21 days ago)

I'm starting to wonder if i should just ditch the blue tub. the top isn't even see-through.

this will give me a set back, i will have to borrow a drill again, and have to lie. no one has a fucking power drill!

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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: 404]
    #15589390 - 12/29/11 08:49 PM (13 years, 21 days ago)

I am having this same issue and its my first grow so im starting to get worried that nothing is going to come of my last couple months of work and the money I have invested in. Mine have been sitting in the FC for 9 days now with no signs of activity. Lame

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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: chevyfanaddict]
    #15615801 - 01/04/12 03:49 PM (13 years, 15 days ago)

Rightyo, so I have constructed a NEW furiting chamber to specifications, and i have also modified my lighting settings for this.

USING: clear storage tote bin; one 6500K CFL light.

The holes WERE a tad small on the old one, the new one has 1/4th sized drill bit holes in ALL 6 sides. the space is larger, and the lighting is way better. i constructed this new sgfc two-three days ago, and still no signs of real life. i only had one cake in there, which was birthed a touch early, but, the rest of them i brithed in succession from the 31st of december 2011 till today, the 4th of january 2012.

the last two cakes of nine were finally placed in today. i did three or four yesterday, and the rest were done on the days specified.

kinda wondering, is this too much verm on some of these cakes? to where the light is being obstructed from reaching the cakes? humidity is still a problem, and i can get around only 82 or 80 percent max, yeah, i realize the old hygrometer might be a bit faulty but idk...


Let me know what you think of this set up, i'm sure you guys have seen a lot on here lol.

NOTE: one of the cakes broke apart, long story. i dunked an rolled both halves.


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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: 404]
    #15615829 - 01/04/12 03:53 PM (13 years, 15 days ago)

This looks alright to me. If you want to improve your design, I'd upgrade to a humidifier, lose the cakes and get with aluminum baking pans. I've read the mushrooms like blue light in contrast to a regular bulb. I use natural light from a sky light.


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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: evilmushroom]
    #15615849 - 01/04/12 03:56 PM (13 years, 15 days ago)

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This looks alright to me. If you want to improve your design, I'd upgrade to a humidifier, lose the cakes and get with aluminum baking pans. I've read the mushrooms like blue light in contrast to a regular bulb. I use natural light from a sky light.





Which tek uses aluminum baking pans again? I'm still new to cultivation. the 6500k is perfect for the blue lighting, its closest to the daylight spectrum. I can get a humidifier right now, but i will have to jerry rig a design for it to pump into the sgfc.

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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: 404]
    #15615881 - 01/04/12 04:01 PM (13 years, 15 days ago)

id put my perlite up another couple/few inches.  it looks a little low.

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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: chuptoo]
    #15615896 - 01/04/12 04:03 PM (13 years, 15 days ago)

if i add a nother bag and a half, you think that will help increase the humidity?

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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: 404]
    #15615902 - 01/04/12 04:05 PM (13 years, 15 days ago)

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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: chevyfanaddict]
    #15615903 - 01/04/12 04:05 PM (13 years, 15 days ago)

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I am having this same issue and its my first grow so im starting to get worried that nothing is going to come of my last couple months of work and the money I have invested in. Mine have been sitting in the FC for 9 days now with no signs of activity. Lame





I'm using a particularly slow grower, penis envy. I KNOW this has something to do with my issue, but i'm REALLY unsure of how long this is going to take... i figure a couple weeks, buuut....

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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: 404]
    #15616085 - 01/04/12 04:42 PM (13 years, 15 days ago)

More perlite is all you need to raise your humidity. I mist the perlite layer when I most the inside walls. No hygrometer here, and it's only sitting on a mason quart jar lid on each corner. I still pulled of a big meaty fruit twice as tall as my lighter. Not bad for a first grow. I think as long as you add more perlite you'll be fine. You never know, some fruits might just pop up overnight like they did for me.


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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: SpookyCupid]
    #15616380 - 01/04/12 05:35 PM (13 years, 15 days ago)

It looks like you only have about 2.5 inches of perlite...  I use 6~7 inches and I live in a fairly humid environment...  It also allows me to just mist once a day:  I use a hand-pump pressure sprayer and really let it rain down for a minute or two.


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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: HorizonSpawn]
    #15616390 - 01/04/12 05:37 PM (13 years, 15 days ago)

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It looks like you only have about 2.5 inches of perlite...  I use 6~7 inches and I live in a fairly humid environment...  It also allows me to just mist once a day:  I use a hand-pump pressure sprayer and really let it rain down for a minute or two.


Looking much better :thumbup:





Grassy ass! haha. yes, i just bought two more bags of perlite, it's going to be quite a long night... gotta wash off all that junk offthe perlite. I've only been able to find miracle grow perlite, lol

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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: 404]
    #15616457 - 01/04/12 05:51 PM (13 years, 15 days ago)

Bummer deal...  Find yourself a "hydro shop" or ask a "head shop" where one is...  You'll be able to pick up big 3~4.5cf bags of some chunky perlite :laugh:


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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: HorizonSpawn]
    #15616519 - 01/04/12 06:05 PM (13 years, 15 days ago)

Lol, it's all good, there's a shop way out, but i've already got the perlite, it'l be fine once i wash it real good.

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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: 404]
    #15617930 - 01/04/12 10:42 PM (13 years, 15 days ago)

ALL DONE! Perlite is now at least 6-8 inches deep. I wont bother posting a pic, its just the terrarium but deeper


I also concluded why my cakes were just chilling. I've been directly misting them, and have stopped tonight. i will now continue misting the sides and perlite. the mycelium looks poofier when i don't mist them directly anyway, i should have picked up on that. lets see what the next week brings. brb, time to tuck the little buggers in for the night...

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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: 404]
    #15617942 - 01/04/12 10:45 PM (13 years, 15 days ago)

FYI; I have always misted my cakes directly...  In fact; they get a proper drenching, LOLz :thumbup:


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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: HorizonSpawn]
    #15617983 - 01/04/12 10:53 PM (13 years, 15 days ago)

misting the side will do nothing. the goal is to replenish lost moisture in the cake, and humidity cannot do that for a substrate. only direct misting can.

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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: Munchauzen]
    #15618001 - 01/04/12 10:59 PM (13 years, 15 days ago)

hmm, heavy misting? EDIT: i've just been reading the idea was to mist above them so the water settles gently over them...

when i said directly, i meant really close to the cakes themselves













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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: 404]
    #15622118 - 01/05/12 07:58 PM (13 years, 14 days ago)

RIGHT, UPDATE: Its a legitimate question, RR and others have already stated that cheap hygrometers don't really work... mine is, to some extent it seems. I do NOT understand how i was getting HIGHER humidity in the blue tote whilst this new clear one built to specifications perlight holes and all, is getting LOWER humidity, even with constant misting!! my cakes are not fluffing up and I'm somewhat worried... They mah babies.

I can get mid 70's in humidity with the new tote, but the old one with not that much perlite reached levels of 85%

ALSO, am i going to need more light or something? could more light help evap the water drenched perlite? i'm misting like three times a day... and i'm worried that much misting can inhibit the growth themselves... I'm just unsure how long it takes pe to even start doing its thing... if requested, i try to put up a closer picture of the cakes, but maaaan.

I'm sorry to bother the community... I just feel like i'm hitting a brick wall with this situation... :<

EDIT: re-re-update. Just checked the hygrometer two seconds ago, re misted with a ton of water... she's up to 80%..

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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: 404]
    #15622152 - 01/05/12 08:02 PM (13 years, 14 days ago)

For clarification of timeline...  How many weeks (not days) has it been since they were introduced to fruiting conditions?...  More than two weeks?...  Three weeks?


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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: HorizonSpawn]
    #15622235 - 01/05/12 08:15 PM (13 years, 14 days ago)

Going on almost one week. I introduced the cakes in succession, a few at a time, i only had so many containers... to clarify, I was unable to obtain something that would hold the cakes down while they soaked, but they were on the upside, far far less bouyant than when i placed them in the little tubs to begin with. some cakes, about two of them, have been in there for just over a week. Think I'm being paranoid, and should give it more patience and time given the strain type?

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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: HorizonSpawn]
    #15622265 - 01/05/12 08:19 PM (13 years, 14 days ago)

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For clarification of timeline...  How many weeks (not days) has it been since they were introduced to fruiting conditions?...  More than two weeks?...  Three weeks?





also curious, My pe cakes took a almost 2 weeks to pin then I finally got a nice flush


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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: JusTsHroomiNn]
    #15622304 - 01/05/12 08:23 PM (13 years, 14 days ago)

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For clarification of timeline...  How many weeks (not days) has it been since they were introduced to fruiting conditions?...  More than two weeks?...  Three weeks?





also curious, My pe cakes took a almost 2 weeks to pin then I finally got a nice flush






Thank you JS, I've been looking for someone else that also grew this strain. Gives me more of a timeline myself. Guess I'll wait it out, while trying to combat this humidity problem. I think if i cover up some of those holes, it might hold it in better. Gotta find me some tape...

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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: JusTsHroomiNn]
    #15622313 - 01/05/12 08:25 PM (13 years, 14 days ago)

Yeah; I wouldn't begin to fret until it had been 2+ weeks without primordia formation...  You just need to start some more cakes :smile: :thumbup:


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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: HorizonSpawn]
    #15630299 - 01/07/12 02:01 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

I really did speak too soon. Just hopped up to take a second look today, and i found newnew pins, not the ones from inside the jars, but ones just starting to form, on the first cake i birthed, the one that i thought broke (not the one that DID break in half)

btw, managed to get the humidity to go up to 89% with more misting and saturating the perlite... its a lot of work. i increased FAE, and I've been rewarded. I REALLY wish my camera would pick the two little guys up, but i wont be able to get a good shot that close (i need an SLR BAD)


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Re: Trouble getting humidity in fruiting chamber above 80-85% [Re: 404]
    #16192984 - 05/06/12 11:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You could always just heat up a screw and burn holes.

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