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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead]
#15580004 - 12/27/11 07:47 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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I could argue till my eyes bleed with zappa, it'll be interesting (to say the least) how all this turns out.
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zappaisgod
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Re: Does Ron Paul even have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead]
#15580044 - 12/27/11 07:56 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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realfuzzhead said: Zappa,what are you going to say on the 3rd when Paul win's Iowa?
I'll say it doesn't mean shit. Which is what you are gonna say when he doesn't.
Well Clinton, Bush and Obama all won Iowa before becoming president so I'd say it means something.
So did Huckabee, Gore and Kerry.
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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead]
#15580046 - 12/27/11 07:57 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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realfuzzhead said: I could argue till my eyes bleed with zappa, it'll be interesting (to say the least) how all this turns out.
They aren't yet?
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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: zappaisgod]
#15580057 - 12/27/11 07:59 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've been actually on vacation for the past 2 weeks and I have really cut back on the whole "argue with strangers on teh interwebs!!111!" section of my time. I now
flip coin
1.)smoke more weed 2.) masterbate
some tabs get thrown in along the way, repeat.
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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead]
#15580098 - 12/27/11 08:07 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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The funny thing about Ron Paul is that he is the only political figure my grandfather and I have every both liked... haha. Differant reason I suppose, but not totally.
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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead] 1
#15580104 - 12/27/11 08:09 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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realfuzzhead said: I've been actually on vacation for the past 2 weeks and I have really cut back on the whole "argue with strangers on teh interwebs!!111!" section of my time. I now
flip coin
1.)smoke more weed 2.) masterbate
some tabs get thrown in along the way, repeat.
Smoke, then masterbate...
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Irishdrunk
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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Cudder]
#15580261 - 12/27/11 08:39 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ron Paul has a chance to beat that fat fuck Gingrich, but Obama will own him in the election.
Obama is very very intelligent, the republican base has been squirming and trying everything to make sure he's one term, because he's black and the majority of republicans are racist.........
In the end, there is no republican running right now that can beat him, which is why the good candidates are waiting for the following election in 5 years.
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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: zappaisgod]
#15580336 - 12/27/11 08:54 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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L. Ron as never been a Senator. Obama benefited greatly by being ignored by the media. So has L. Ron. To this day we still have almost no information about Ofuck's years in college and shortly thereafter. L. Ron's base worships him just as Ofuck's base did. They are each the head of a baseless cult of personality. There are very real parallels.
not true has a voting record you can take a look at if you want http://www.votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/296/ron-paul
also, gift of gab http://www.votesmart.org/candidate/public-statements/296/ron-paul
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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Irishdrunk]
#15580337 - 12/27/11 08:54 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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Obama's also alienated huge numbers of his backing from when he first started. The economy's shit, the constitution is trampled on under Obama - see Drones, National Defense Authorization Act, Federal Internet Regulation, Consistent Medical Marijuana Raids, we still have many wars going on in other countries, etc...
It seems that Ron Paul has captured a majority of the younger generation now and his support has gotten bigger than before and he may get more support from independents and democrats than anyone else in the GOP.
http://www.infowars.com/new-poll-ron-paul-betters-other-gop-candidates-vs-obama/
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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Irishdrunk]
#15580362 - 12/27/11 08:58 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think Ron Paul is the only republican candidate that can beat Obama. He appeals to people on all sides of the political spectrum. I was a democrat who supported Obama, but now I have switched to republican like many others in support of Ron Paul.
Ron Paul would crush Obama in a debate. I can guarantee that.
"Yes we can" won't cut it this time.
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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Aedan]
#15580428 - 12/27/11 09:09 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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Exactly. People are going to be much more wary of Obama's rhetoric this time around.
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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: twighead]
#15580502 - 12/27/11 09:22 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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Paul doesn't have a real chance of beating Obama, assuming he gets the Rep nomination. His homophobia and the racist comments he allowed in his newsletter will come back to haunt him. Also this is a guy who thought we shouldn't have fought in WWII, soon as that shit comes up in a debate, he's toast. I like most of Pauls politics, but the guy IMO is a bit to radical for most americans to take serious, i don't even have to tell ya that...how many times has this guy run for the Rep nomination and come up short?!
He also threats the jobs of many a drug lobbyist, he's gonna get deflects from all sides...in either case good luck to him, tho i doubt it'll get'em anywhere.
http://rightwingnews.com/election-2012/statement-from-fmr-ron-paul-staffer-on-newsletters-anti-semitism/
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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: twighead]
#15580517 - 12/27/11 09:25 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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twighead said: Exactly. People are going to be much more wary of Obama's rhetoric this time around.
Are you kidding? This is America! As long as he is dressed alright he will get votes.
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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: B0b0]
#15580531 - 12/27/11 09:28 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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New poll just released. Iowa Public Policy Polling.
Paul 24% (+1) Romney 20% (+0) Gingrich 13% (-1) Bachmann 11% (+1) Perry 10% (+0) Santorum 10% +0) Huntsman 4% (+0) Roemer 2%
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/m...-his-lead.html
"Iowa Republicans support Romney over Paul 22-20. But Dems/indys planning to vote prefer Paul 39-12"
The last week and a half has brought little change in the standings for the Iowa Republican caucus: Ron Paul continues to lead Mitt Romney by a modest margin, 24-20. Newt Gingrich is in 3rd at 13% followed by Michele Bachmann at 11%, Rick Perry and Rick Santorum at 10%, Jon Huntsman at 4%, and Buddy Roemer at 2%.
Paul's strength in Iowa continues to depend on a coalition of voters that's pretty unusual for a Republican in the state. Romney leads 22-20 with those who are actually Republicans, while Paul has a 39-12 advantage with the 24% who are either independents or Democrats. GOP caucus voters tend to skew old, and Romney has a 34-12 advantage with seniors. But Paul's candidacy looks like it's going to attract an unusual number of younger voters to the caucus this year, and with those under 45 he has a 35-11 advantage on Romney. The independent/young voter combo worked for Barack Obama in securing an unexpectedly large victory on the Democratic side in 2008 and it may be Paul's winning equation in 2012.
Paul continues to have much more passionate support than Romney. 77% of his voters are firmly committed to him, compared to 71% for Romney. Among voters who say their minds are completely made up Paul's lead expands to 7 points at 28-21. If Paul's lead holds on through next Tuesday it appears he'll have won this on the ground- 26% of voters think he's run the strongest campaign in the state to 18% for Bachmann and 10% for Santorum with just 5% bestowing that designation to Romney. There's also an increasing sense that Paul will indeed win the state- 29% think he'll emerge victorious with 15% picking Romney and no one else in double digits.
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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: skatealex2]
#15580548 - 12/27/11 09:30 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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I could eat a bowl of alphabet soup and shit better arguments than some of you.
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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#15580556 - 12/27/11 09:32 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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Does anybody else think Ron Paul looks kindof Like Timothy Leary?
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Irishdrunk
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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: B0b0]
#15580577 - 12/27/11 09:36 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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B0b0 said: Paul doesn't have a real chance of beating Obama, assuming he gets the Rep nomination. His homophobia and the racist comments he allowed in his newsletter will come back to haunt him. Also this is a guy who thought we shouldn't have fought in WWII, soon as that shit comes up in a debate, he's toast. I like most of Pauls politics, but the guy IMO is a bit to radical for most americans to take serious, i don't even have to tell ya that...how many times has this guy run for the Rep nomination and come up short?!
He also threats the jobs of many a drug lobbyist, he's gonna get deflects from all sides...in either case good luck to him, tho i doubt it'll get'em anywhere.
http://rightwingnews.com/election-2012/statement-from-fmr-ron-paul-staffer-on-newsletters-anti-semitism/
b0bo is realistic.......Paul has some decent ideas but the majority of his ideas are way too radical for most of America to vote for him. Sure, I agree with a bunch of his ideas, but some of it is so fucked up. If WW2 had continued without the USA, Russia would run the entire European continent, and there would be no German wall falling, it would all be communist. Communism has a few good ideas if it worked, but it doesn't work and everyone suffers.
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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Irishdrunk]
#15580584 - 12/27/11 09:37 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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Alot of the Shroomery supports him, which IMO is saying something...
I'm sure if he campaigns well he could at least have a good shot.
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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: skatealex2]
#15580610 - 12/27/11 09:42 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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skatealex2 said: The independent/young voter combo worked for Barack Obama in securing an unexpectedly large victory on the Democratic side in 2008 and it may be Paul's winning equation in 2012.
And there, ladies and gentlemen, is your parallel. Basically all the folks who jumped on the Obama bandwagon and then became instantly disillusioned once he actually made it into office, are now doing the same for Ron Paul. Hope you aren't getting your hopes up too high this time around.
"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."
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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Irishdrunk]
#15580617 - 12/27/11 09:44 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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I like the guy, but if he was president there would be so much in-certainty that the markets would take a giant shit, and that's a bad thing especially when the markets are already vulnerable. Obama is already pulling out of Bush's wars, who gives a shit if Paul wants to pull out, its already being done in a much more sensible way. He wants to tear up the system, but he's way too radical. There's almost no chance of him becoming the next Republican candidate, so why even have this conversation? He's too left for the republicans, and way too radical for the dems.
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