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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #15566796 - 12/24/11 12:13 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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I just think it's funny that Zappa has to make mental shortcuts such as calling him L Ron. Only simple-minded fools use shortcuts to get their point across; no wonder he can't grasp the fact that he is being scammed.



Do you know why I refer to him as L. Ron Paul?  Hint:  It has more to do with you than it does him. 

I haven't been scammed by anybody.  Whatever the rules are I will win.  It's been that way my whole life.





Your ego will be your failure.




I'm 55 years old.  It's too late for me to be a failure.  Do you know why I call him L. Ron Paul?




I know exactly why. You like to make mental shortcuts because you are simple minded and have gotten into a grove of using less of your brain as with the rest of the American majority. Do you know how I know that?

Fact is, zappa, you do not have a deep enough thought process to understand the reality of politics. You are a slave or a peasant in the eyes of those who run multi-billion dollar corporations.

Just because you've accomplished things and haven't failed at anything yet in your life doesn't mean you won't in the future. Tomorrow you could wake up to all your money being valueless and all of your hard work would have been for nothing. What are you going to do then? Exactly what those wall street protesters are doing now who you love so much. Why? Because that is the only way to get people to pay attention other than through terrorism.

You've got to drop the whole "I'm invincible" attitude, you sound like someone who is addicted to something as well as someone who is setting themselves up for sure failure. This mentality right here is one of the biggest problems with America and you're only passing it on by continuing to be that way yourself.


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: highdroponics] * 1
    #15567390 - 12/24/11 02:34 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Wouldn't states just outlaw asbestos? And if it was found harmful, couldn't you just sue the companies using it? once one company get's sued for using it, wouldn't the others just stop considering they don't want to gt sued and there would already be a precedent allowing them to be sued


plus on Ron Paul's plan he doesn't touch the FDA, the Environmental Protection Agency, the Nuclear watch agency or most of the other consumer protection agencies
If you're going to judge him, judge him on his plan, Ron's not stupid he understands you can't just get rid of the FDa overnight, obviously it would be a disaster. something like 60-70 percent of his spending cuts come from oversea's

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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Adden] * 1
    #15568219 - 12/24/11 07:08 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm not female and if you knew anything about zappa you'd know damn well he's worked goddamn hard his whole to life to get what he has. Seems a lot of people, especially when it comes to Ron Paul, don't seem to understand this "working hard" concept or the "you get as much out of it as you put into it" factor.

The chick icon is for shits and grins if it matters.

Case in point I suppose.




Whoa, dick ride much?


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: highdroponics]
    #15568502 - 12/24/11 08:49 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

all I know is he wants to end the war, hates corporations that influence politicians, hates big government, and wants all drugs legal. All I gotta say is that far surpasses any other fucker out there who is running for president at the current time. Who the fuck else is even close to Ron Paul's level?:awesomenod:

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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Enjoywho] * 1
    #15569128 - 12/24/11 11:55 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

By pointing out a simple fact that he's not just another silly hippie dipshit like 99% of this thread?

Fuck you.


Edit - Oh, and the irony of neo-hippies swarming to a Ron Paul thread on a drug message board because they like weed. gtfo

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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Adden] * 5
    #15576695 - 12/27/11 02:59 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

You're the only one talking about weed dumbass.

Leave your preconceived notions at the door and read what people are saying instead of assuming.


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Senor_Doobie] * 1
    #15576716 - 12/27/11 03:11 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

All this Ron Paul hype has me reminded of the Obamania from just a few years back. I'm surprised how so many of you ardent Ron Paul supporters (some of who were equally ardent towards Obama when it came to the '08 election) don't manage to see any parallels between both campaigns. I hope you're not too disappointed when/if Ron Paul gets elected and he proves to be as much of a let down as Obama was when it came to all of his hyped up 'change'.


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #15576776 - 12/27/11 03:59 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

It's funny because four years ago at this time I was pulling pretty heavily for Ron Paul.  As were a lot of people on this site.  I remember seeing a hell of a lot more "Vote Ron Paul" signs on people's lawns in '08.  I voted for Paul in the Arizona caucus.  Paul was an extremely popular candidate at this time in '08. 

What are the parallels between Paul and Obama?

Obama had the endorsement of pretty much every "credible" news/opinion outlet, while Paul is all but ignored by the mainstream media. Paul has been a senator for decades while Obama had been a Senator for a fraction of that time.  Paul's major supporters are working class folks.  He receives his support by volume of supporters as compared to gigantic donations made my sparse donors like Obama.

Don't see the parallels.


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #15579383 - 12/27/11 05:33 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

to claim paralells between obama and paul would mean one is either lying or they are completely ignorant of the contemporary political situation.


seriously, you couldn't pick two more "perpendicular" candidates throughout history in my opinion

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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead] * 1
    #15579686 - 12/27/11 06:46 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not claiming parallels in their specific political views or campaign position, but parallels in both their supporters ardently viewing both politicians as an indisputable saviour--the idea that 'we make this man president, all our problems will be fixed'.

I don't think such a thing is possible, because all I see is another racist, homophobic, and misogynous, christian millionaire white male capitalist. His interests are not the interests of the common person.

If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's probably not a swan.


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #15579755 - 12/27/11 07:00 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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It's funny because four years ago at this time I was pulling pretty heavily for Ron Paul.  As were a lot of people on this site.  I remember seeing a hell of a lot more "Vote Ron Paul" signs on people's lawns in '08.  I voted for Paul in the Arizona caucus.  Paul was an extremely popular candidate at this time in '08. 

What are the parallels between Paul and Obama?

Obama had the endorsement of pretty much every "credible" news/opinion outlet, while Paul is all but ignored by the mainstream media. Paul has been a senator for decades while Obama had been a Senator for a fraction of that time.  Paul's major supporters are working class folks.  He receives his support by volume of supporters as compared to gigantic donations made my sparse donors like Obama.

Don't see the parallels.




L. Ron as never been a Senator.  Obama benefited greatly by being ignored by the media.  So has L. Ron.  To this day we still have almost no information about Ofuck's years in college and shortly thereafter.  L. Ron's base worships him just as Ofuck's base did.  They are each the head of a baseless cult of personality.  There are very real parallels.


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #15579776 - 12/27/11 07:04 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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It's funny because four years ago at this time I was pulling pretty heavily for Ron Paul.  As were a lot of people on this site.  I remember seeing a hell of a lot more "Vote Ron Paul" signs on people's lawns in '08.  I voted for Paul in the Arizona caucus.  Paul was an extremely popular candidate at this time in '08. 

What are the parallels between Paul and Obama?

Obama had the endorsement of pretty much every "credible" news/opinion outlet, while Paul is all but ignored by the mainstream media. Paul has been a senator for decades while Obama had been a Senator for a fraction of that time.  Paul's major supporters are working class folks.  He receives his support by volume of supporters as compared to gigantic donations made my sparse donors like Obama.

Don't see the parallels.




L. Ron as never been a Senator.  Obama benefited greatly by being ignored by the media.  So has L. Ron.  To this day we still have almost no information about Ofuck's years in college and shortly thereafter.  L. Ron's base worships him just as Ofuck's base did.  They are each the head of a baseless cult of personality.  There are very real parallels.





:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Keep voting for the establishment choice.  A lot of good that does us.  15 trillion dollar debt no big deal right?  Endless war, endless war on drugs, no problem there either. How about taxing Americans a quarter of their earnings to support shitty Government programs which we recieve no benefit from and infringe on our rights, great policy there too.

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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #15579797 - 12/27/11 07:07 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm not claiming parallels in their specific political views or campaign position, but parallels in both their supporters ardently viewing both politicians as an indisputable saviour--the idea that 'we make this man president, all our problems will be fixed'.

I don't think such a thing is possible, because all I see is another racist, homophobic, and misogynous, christian millionaire white male capitalist. His interests are not the interests of the common person.

If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's probably not a swan.





Unlike Obama, Ron Paul has a 30 year voting record to back him up.  If you watch any of his old videos, he's been saying the same things back then that he's saying now.  By ideology, libertarian policies can't be racist.  There is nothing racist about believing in individual responsibility and liberty.  It is the opposite of racism.  Ending the war on drugs and pardoning all white and black people is not racist, nor is being against racial profiling.

Ron Paul's biggest supporters are the American people and the military.  He got where he is not through the media, but from American people supporting his campaign.

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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: skatealex2]
    #15579877 - 12/27/11 07:22 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Zappa,what are you going to say on the 3rd when Paul win's Iowa?

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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: skatealex2]
    #15579894 - 12/27/11 07:24 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, I'm down with Ron, but it deeply troubles me..
When Ron Paul is the best shot we have at making any kind of significant difference, it seems bleak..

His chance at nomination seems bleak.

His chance at election, bleak, to say the least.

His chance of getting assassinated if he did get elected?
Tremendous..

Read the writing on the wall, folks.

This ship is sinking. Best be a rat.


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: skatealex2]
    #15579898 - 12/27/11 07:25 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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It's funny because four years ago at this time I was pulling pretty heavily for Ron Paul.  As were a lot of people on this site.  I remember seeing a hell of a lot more "Vote Ron Paul" signs on people's lawns in '08.  I voted for Paul in the Arizona caucus.  Paul was an extremely popular candidate at this time in '08. 

What are the parallels between Paul and Obama?

Obama had the endorsement of pretty much every "credible" news/opinion outlet, while Paul is all but ignored by the mainstream media. Paul has been a senator for decades while Obama had been a Senator for a fraction of that time.  Paul's major supporters are working class folks.  He receives his support by volume of supporters as compared to gigantic donations made my sparse donors like Obama.

Don't see the parallels.




L. Ron as never been a Senator.  Obama benefited greatly by being ignored by the media.  So has L. Ron.  To this day we still have almost no information about Ofuck's years in college and shortly thereafter.  L. Ron's base worships him just as Ofuck's base did.  They are each the head of a baseless cult of personality.  There are very real parallels.





:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Keep voting for the establishment choice.  A lot of good that does us.  15 trillion dollar debt no big deal right?




Of course it's a big deal.  A big deal that has been increased by the pork he puts in bills he votes against, like a phony and the check he tries to cut but still cashes, like a phony.
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  Endless war


  War is a result of weakness.  Something the dumb cunt has no understanding of.
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endless war on drugs, no problem there either.




Something that is not up to the President to change.  Talk to your fellow citizens.  They want it.
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How about taxing Americans a quarter of their earnings to support shitty Government programs which we receive no benefit from and infringe on our rights, great policy there too.



It doesn't require this insane cunt to cut spending.

http://biggovernment.com/jsshapiro/2011/12/26/exclusive-ron-paul-in-2009-i-wouldnt-risk-american-lives-to-end-the-holocaust/

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On the evening of Sept. 16, 2009, I was invited to a function for Rand Paul’s U.S. Senate campaign at the headquarters of Americans for Tax Reform.

I had been invited by a friend of mine via Facebook who was a passionate supporter of Ron Paul. Within minutes of arriving, I saw Rep. Paul enter the room, followed by an entourage of several college students.

I immediately walked up to Paul and introduced myself, and Paul smiled at me and shook my hand. I told him that I had always wanted to ask him a question, and that it was a hypothetical question, but I would appreciate his answer nonetheless. Paul smiled, and welcomed the question. At this point there were about 15 people surrounding us, listening.

And so I asked Congressman Paul: if he were President of the United States during World War II, and as president he knew what we now know about the Holocaust, but the Third Reich presented no threat to the U.S., would he have sent American troops to Nazi Germany purely as a moral imperative to save the Jews?

And the Congressman answered:

“No, I wouldn’t. I wouldn’t risk American lives to do that. If someone wants to do that on their own because they want to do that, well, that’s fine, but I wouldn’t do that.”


Paul then looked at me, and I politely thanked him for his time. He smiled at me again and nodded his head, and many of his young followers were also smiling, and nodding their heads in agreement. Clearly, I was the only one in the room who was disturbed by his response.

When I first presented the story of Paul’s comments about the Holocaust to major news media outlets two years ago, they were so stunned they were afraid to publish my story, and as a result it has remained unpublished until now.

I went to great lengths afterwards to learn more about the basis for Paul’s comments. I spoke to Eric Dondero, a former senior aide for Paul, in February 2010. Dondero is quoted in a Weekly Standard article today about Paul’s isolationist beliefs.

When I called Dondero again this morning, and told him I was finally going forward with the story, he told me that Paul had made similar comments to him.

“He told me numerous times it was not worth it to intervene to save the Jews in World War II,” Dondero said. “I don’t think that’s because he’s an antisemite. It’s because he’s an extreme isolationist and he’s trying to be 100% principled–he doesn’t think there’s any reason to intervene for human rights or any other reason anywhere on the planet.”

Calls to Rep. Paul’s congressional office and campaign office last week and this morning were not returned.

The Holocaust of World War II is not the only historical tragedy that Paul’s isolationism would disregard.

In 2007, the Congressman actually faulted Abraham Lincoln for using military force to end slavery in the Civil War: “He shouldn’t have gone to war… Slavery was phased out in every other country in the world and the way I’m advising that it should have been done is do like the British Empire did; you buy the slaves and release them.”




http://weaselzippers.us/2011/12/27/ron-paul-hey-you-know-who-started-hamas-israel/


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Ron Paul: Hey, You Know Who Started Hamas? Israel…

None of this is new, we’ve all known his foreign policy views are about as kooky as they come, but it is a slow news week and he is a top-tier candidate in both Iowa and New Hampshire so I say it’s fair game.




He seems to have a hardon for Jews.  I wonder how he feels about Negroes.

http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/angry-white-man?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720-ac15-4532a7da84ca

We all know quite well how he feels about women's rights.

http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/abortion/


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #15579909 - 12/27/11 07:28 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Zappa,what are you going to say on the 3rd when Paul win's Iowa?



I'll say it doesn't mean shit.  Which is what you are gonna say when he doesn't.


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: RenzoSupreme]
    #15579911 - 12/27/11 07:28 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

the ship is sinking,but I think that is why Ron's base is growing the way it has. I know facebook "likes" don't mean much, if anything, but he had a consistent 3 or 4 week span where he was getting 3x-4x the amounts of new likes per day then any of the other members.


If elected, he seriously can just bring the men home. He is commander is cheif, you want to save the ship you got to loose some bloody weight, and he wants to do that abroad as to minimize damage on the homefront economically.

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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #15579976 - 12/27/11 07:42 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Zappa,what are you going to say on the 3rd when Paul win's Iowa?



I'll say it doesn't mean shit.  Which is what you are gonna say when he doesn't.





Well Clinton, Bush and Obama all won Iowa before becoming president so I'd say it means something.

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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: skatealex2]
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