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Not too sure about potency
    #1557563 - 05/18/03 11:55 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

people say growing with pf tek produces not so potent shrooms, and grain spwan with straw and poo is the most potent or whatever. i think its all on conditions grown. i grew my shit out of 2 brf cakes cased with 60/40 verm and coir and ate 2 grams and tripped so hard. now i'm experimenting with birdseed and poo/straw i can't really see the mushrooms to grow outta that being any more potent then the ones i grew. if so that would just be nuts. when conditions are ideal, i think thats what makes a potent mushroom

strain was creeper by the way. anyone relate?


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Re: Not too sure about potency [Re: shroomizzy]
    #1557578 - 05/18/03 12:10 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

i think your incorrect.
substrate with more tryptophans = more converted alkaloids in cubensis - if you have grown them on millet you would know this for sure.


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Re: Not too sure about potency [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #1557599 - 05/18/03 12:27 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

so it would also related with the spores but you can produce more potent spores.
right?


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Re: Not too sure about potency [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #1557741 - 05/18/03 02:14 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

so if 2 grams following the pf tek got me to a high level 2 trip. i'm afraid to eat 2 grams grown from poo and straw


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Re: Not too sure about potency [Re: shroomizzy]
    #1558659 - 05/18/03 10:33 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

yeah


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Re: Not too sure about potency [Re: shroomizzy]
    #1558670 - 05/18/03 10:35 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah you have to be careful. The first time i did mushrooms i ate a whole eighth, and just got all confused and didn't trip really hard. I haven't harvested my friends mushrooms yet, but i am certain that they will do alot more than that. You could be ingesting over twice the psilocybin/psilocin or even more depending on the type of mushrooms. It's like mersh weed compared to dank weed.


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Re: Not too sure about potency [Re: lemunhed]
    #1558777 - 05/18/03 10:57 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah -- they vary a lot, even within a strain on the same substrate.

Outside factors probably would involve concentrations of precursors in the substrate, IMO -- (the enzyme that is most commonly downregulated is tryptophan decarboxylase which converts tryptophan into tryptamine, and I don't see tryptophan listed as an inhibitor, so one would assume adding anything in the cycle tryptophan or after would assert an influence. Tryptophan probably to a much lesser extent, though, because it's decarboxylation would be inhibited by its own products.)

Only do the amount you know you can handle, IMO; you can always do more next time.

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Re: Not too sure about potency [Re: micro]
    #1558795 - 05/18/03 11:02 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

yeah i know i can handle like 2 grams... but how much stronger would 2 grams be grown off of poo and straw compared to just pf tek cased with 60/40? if its more potent then that just frightens me


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Re: Not too sure about potency [Re: shroomizzy]
    #1558822 - 05/18/03 11:10 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Depends more on the substrain, IMO. The straw shouldn't make it that much more potent, if at all. 1 shroom vs 1 shroom will probably be more potent on straw, though, since they are a lot bigger, but that has nothing to do with wieght.

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Re: Not too sure about potency [Re: shroomizzy]
    #1558832 - 05/18/03 11:15 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

what about a wood loving active mushroom spawned on mimosa bark. would the DMT in the mimosa increase the potency of the shrooms? I read a thread somewhere that claims it can.


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Re: Not too sure about potency [Re: Ekstaza]
    #1558842 - 05/18/03 11:20 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I would think so. It would depend on how the DMT is broken down by the fungus and how readily it is absorbed (it isn't water soluble.) Solid experiments would need to be done to find out for sure, but I would think it would have a positive influence. I would assume the mycelium could break it down with digestive enzymes, though, and take it into the cells.

You might also have to make the precursor (DMT) available when fruiting, i.e. in the fruiting substrate. If it fruits on mimosa bark that would count.

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Re: Not too sure about potency [Re: micro]
    #1559413 - 05/19/03 06:06 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Experiments have been done by Gartz hat demonstrated that an increase of tryptamine content within a substrate directly affected the cont of psilocin in the mushrooms fruited from it.
Psilocybin/psilocin/baeocystin/nor-baeocystin/aeruginicine are all direct biological conversions of tryptophan and l-tryptophan.


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Re: Not too sure about potency [Re: shroomizzy]
    #1559459 - 05/19/03 07:42 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Personally I don't think you'd find 2 grams grown on straw etc to be noticably stronger than PF style ones (I never have anyway)...main advantage for using it is the sheer amount of shrooms you get from straw/dung rather than increased potency. As for  tryptophan, I seem to remember brown rice is considered a good source of it (about the same content as millet) and I've always found ones grown with rice to be particularly strong...the last straw batch was  a bit of a let down compared to them :tongue: 


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