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Offlinejimsuzo
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BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL
    #1557227 - 05/18/03 12:46 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

This movement has been underway for awhile, but I think it timely to remind my fellow shroomers that while Exxon/Mobil is the largest oil company in the world, they, unlike other majors BP and Shell, have yet to invest a single dollar in renewable energies and biodegradable fuel. Now is the time to hit Exxon/Mobil where it hurts - in their wallets. Please don't buy their fuel. Cut up your Exxn/Mobil credit cards immediately. It's the right thing to do.

Exxon is the richest company in the world and has affiliates in over 200 countries. It is extracting 4.5 million barrels of crude oil and natural gaz daily. Esso is also the main oil and petrol/gasoline reseller to the public, with some 900 petrol stations in France alone and thousands across Europe. In 2001, its worldwide profits after tax amounted to 15.6 billions dollars and invested over 7.9 billion dollars in oil prospecting, natural gas and oil extraction. It has not invested a single dollar, however, in either renewable energies or biodegradable fuel.

According to the magazine The Economist, Exxon Mobil is ?the largest oil company and also the most skeptical organization in the world regarding climatic changes. If the largest supplier of hydrocarbons in the world were once to openly admit that global warming is an acquired fact, this could prove more beneficial to the world than the Kyoto accords? (The Economist, December 2001. Translator?s note: this quotation is a translation of the French which was itself a translation of the original text in English).

Facts speak for themselves, is claiming Greenpeace in a well-prepared document, indicating that ?Exxon played a capital role in having the Bush Administration reject the Kyoto Accords?. It is pointing a finger at Exxon as ?the company pulling the strings behind the Bush Administration? and is outlining that Esso donated over 1 million dollars to the Republican party during the 2000 electoral campaign, more than any other oil company's contribution. 91% of ExxonMobil's political contributions went to the Republican party. Immediately after his election to the presidency, George W. Bush paid Exxon in return by claiming that it would not endorse the Kyoto protocol, the only international convention taking a stand against global warming. The United States, who are responsible for 25% of the world gas releases creating the greenhouse effect, has, by rejecting the Kyoto Accord through George W. Bush supported by the industrial and oil lobbies, significantly diminished the efficacy of the accord and is jeopardizing its very survival.

Still according to Greenpeace, Esso/Exxon/Mobil has constantly been the most vigorous company in its attempts to sabotage international negotiations for the protection of the climate of the planet. It has also given encouragement to other commercial and industrial lobbies to perpetuate the fight. Exxon has spent millions of dollars to further a propaganda hostile to climate protection and is frequently quoting outdated and incorrect scientific studies to back up its position. Using the well-known tactics inaugurated by cigarette manufacturers, these slanderous campaigns on Global Warming are creating a confusion in the minds of both the public and their elected authorities and are thus killing in the egg any will to really tackle this problem.


why to boycott Esso


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: jimsuzo]
    #1557297 - 05/18/03 01:45 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Put Shell on the boycott too - the nightmare they have caused in Nigeria is beyond comprehension. Not to mention their complicity in the wanton oppression, eviction from their land and murder of the orgoni people.

The report - by World Bank environment specialist David Moffat and Professor Olof Linden of Stockholm University says that even official statistics suggest that every year the delta is polluted by 2.3 billion cubic metres of oil from some 300 separate spills, almost one a day, but that the true Sure may be 10 times higher. It confirms a report in the Independent on Sunday last month that gas flaring from oil production in the area emits some 35 million tons of carbon dioxide and 12 million tons of methane a year, making it the world's largest single contributor to global warming.


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: jimsuzo]
    #1557339 - 05/18/03 02:43 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

I havn't been to an exxon is a hell of a long time. Mobil is a pretty shitty lookin gas station. And Shell needs to lower their fucking prices if they want my business.

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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: Xlea321]
    #1558123 - 05/18/03 04:14 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

MOST EVIL CORPERATIONS

Shameless: 1995's 10 Worst Corporations
by Russell Mokhiber and Andrew Wheat

SHELL Executes A Business Plan
BHP Wants To Be Above The Law
ADM : Food Stamp King
CHIQUITA Top Banana
ENRON's Political Profit Pipeline
DOW CHEMICAL's Implant Liability
JOHNSON & JOHNSON Obstructs Justice
3M : Skipping A Beat?
DUPONT's GOA Constrictor
WARNER-LAMBERT's Guilty Plea

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SHELL EXECUTES A BUSINESS PLAN
Nigeria's military dictatorship hanged nine political dissidents, including playwright and environmentalist Ken Saro-Wiwa, in November 1995.

The dictatorship was roundly condemned for the executions by human rights groups and government leaders from around the world -- as was, to a lesser extent, its business partner Royal Dutch Shell. Saro-Wiwa led a campaign in Nigeria that accused Royal Dutch Shell of profiting off 500,000 Ogoni people and polluting their homeland.

In Nigeria, which accounts for 14 percent of Shell's worldwide oil production, Shell seems to have made its deal with the devil. As Steve Kretzmann pointed out ["Nigeria's Drilling Fields," Multinational Monitor, January/February 1995], "oil is the single most important commodity in Nigeria, and Shell is the backbone of the oil market."

Multinationals that find themselves forming close partnerships with unsavory regimes often explain failures to cut these profitable ties by arguing that they are pursuing a "constructive engagement" policy that benefits the downtrodden and sets a sterling example for the tyrants. Such a case is difficult to make when a corporation's behavior has been less than noble and when the downtrodden are determined to throw the company out.


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Offlinejimsuzo
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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: Xlea321]
    #1558169 - 05/18/03 04:48 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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It confirms a report in the Independent on Sunday last month that gas flaring from oil production in the area emits some 35 million tons of carbon dioxide and 12 million tons of methane a year, making it the world's largest single contributor to global warming.




You're exactly right. Put Shell on the list too. Try to stick with smaller stations. BP, however, actually isn't that bad IF you buy their PR campaign.


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: jimsuzo]
    #1558292 - 05/18/03 06:07 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

How about oil, and coperate products all together.

Bio fuel

CSA for food

non-child slave labor, natural clothing.

it takes a bit of adjusting, and can't happen over night, but i've found my life to drastically improve the more i ween myself away from the coperate prison. unpluggin your TV cable is the first step (living without DVD's would be a bit too drastic)


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: jimsuzo]
    #1559431 - 05/19/03 04:52 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

i'll boycott them right after i fill up my tank on the way home today...


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1559705 - 05/19/03 10:08 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

How manly of you inny  :grin:


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: Xlea321]
    #1559739 - 05/19/03 10:26 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

I do what i can...


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1559777 - 05/19/03 10:50 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

I go to this place called "All American Gas"...

Its funny because something tells me that its not from America.

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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: angryshroom]
    #1559782 - 05/19/03 10:53 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

i usually fill up at BP or Total...there is a gas station near us that has a 1950's theme that has car shows on the weekends, they have cheap gas.


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: jimsuzo]
    #1560434 - 05/19/03 03:01 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

This response is one I used in the equally ludicrous "Boycott Electricity" thread.

Seems a good fit is this ridiculous thread as well
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I'll use my share (and as much of yours as possible) of gas and electricity until the day I die.

Three trucks, none which get more than 14 mpg, 2 refrigerators, stereo, computer, lights, and AC which is ALWAYS on in the summer months.

Ever see an electric meter doing 10,000 rpm's?

Screw conservation.... I like my toys.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1560634 - 05/19/03 04:00 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Well can I just say we're all impressed at how tough and wild you are luv. You can use electricity and you just don't care!  :smirk:

Do you kick chihuahas too?


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: Xlea321]
    #1560678 - 05/19/03 04:16 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Do you kick chihuahas too?



Nope. Kids and cats.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1560719 - 05/19/03 04:31 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

man I wouldn't be caught dead in an electric car... unless some liberal made it a law forcing everyone to get one


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: Cracka_X]
    #1561017 - 05/19/03 06:11 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Electric hybrids are cool.


Come on, I know you want one...


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: silversoul7]
    #1561637 - 05/19/03 09:21 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Are Diamond Shamrock and 7-11 affiliates of said companies?

If so, I'm way ahead of ya.

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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: silversoul7]
    #1562368 - 05/20/03 04:53 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

that is one ugly car...but at least it's a start.


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1562601 - 05/20/03 09:42 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

I'm impressed by your bad-ass macho consumer dude attitude.

and by the way - I really wasn't counting on you to participate.


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: silversoul7]
    #1562605 - 05/20/03 09:44 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

My brother got one of the Toyota Hybrids. I think it's pretty cool.


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: jimsuzo]
    #1562617 - 05/20/03 09:51 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

bad-ass macho



It's a shame you not a better judge of people.


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1566585 - 05/21/03 04:26 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Are you being serious or sarcastic?  :confused: :crazy:

My question is : Why?!!

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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: angryshroom]
    #1566603 - 05/21/03 04:34 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Are you being serious or sarcastic?  :confused: :crazy:

My question is : Why?!! 




Could you be more specific?


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1566622 - 05/21/03 04:44 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

:wink:

Quote:


I'll use my share (and as much of yours as possible) of gas and electricity until the day I die.

Three trucks, none which get more than 14 mpg, 2 refrigerators, stereo, computer, lights, and AC which is ALWAYS on in the summer months.

Ever see an electric meter doing 10,000 rpm's?

Screw conservation.... I like my toys.




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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1566647 - 05/21/03 04:52 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

I think you just gave a few environmentalists a heart attack....that means we now have more gas, electricity and air to use up. :grin:


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: angryshroom]
    #1566710 - 05/21/03 05:11 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Completely serious.

And why not?


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1569151 - 05/22/03 12:30 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Because your using up more than you need.  :smile:


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1569205 - 05/22/03 12:49 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Its just being extremely selfish. It makes me sad because I feel that I try to give and be generous to everyone around me. I feel that good karma will come back to me in different ways.

You are being selfish because you are the type of people who are destroying this environment while there are so many like myself who do everything in our power to help save it. You are the ones who are bringing us backwards, and who we are fighting this war against. Its your type which make me sit in the forest, praying and thinking for hours upon hours wondering how someone would ever want to destroy or hurt the earth. Its so beautiful, and I think people should really get out more often to experience the real living environment which man was created for. Not the man made concrete jungle which we feel or cannot see where what we do is so detrimental.

I just ask, why must you be outright against us? Why do you have to use all that energy? Its good to remember that the Earth does not belong to us, but that we belong to the earth.

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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: angryshroom]
    #1569244 - 05/22/03 01:01 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Ego-less logic is key.

But you need to be able to respect yourself before you can pass that to other aspects.... :smirk:


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: angryshroom]
    #1569307 - 05/22/03 01:21 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

you actually believe in Karma?


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1569314 - 05/22/03 01:22 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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Because your using up more than you need




Out of curiosity, how much does one person need? And with that answer who determines this?


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1569371 - 05/22/03 01:38 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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Out of curiosity, how much does one person need?




Nothing.

Quote:

And with that answer who determines this?




Reality. Humans dont need electricity to survive, it just makes things easier. Use as little as you can.


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1569459 - 05/22/03 01:57 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

so your solution is to use nothing? No wonder why you're upset. I will and do use what i need to get whatever job i want to accomplish. I am quite aware of what is waste and what is need and don't think it is the right of some tree hugger who is happy with nothing (not you specifically) to dictate the world to do the same. It is quite pompous of us to think that we have the ability to destroy the Earth but i agree that we should keep it clean to our ability. I don't throw trash on the ground, I don't dump into the water supply, and i frequent the woods quite often.

with that said, to use nothing is kinda loopy.


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Edited by Innvertigo (05/22/03 01:58 PM)

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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1569534 - 05/22/03 02:19 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Out of curiosity, how much does one person need?
Nothing.
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so your solution is to use nothing?

No, i said we NEED nothing, i'll use it for heat, lighting, jobs etc...even to listen to music, use my computer etc... they are all luxuries.

When i have a property, i will have a generator for light, and other uses, but will use a woodstove for heat and cooking etc...

We NEED to consume energy in this lifestyle (city), and by no means did i mean to suggest that because we dont need to use energy, that people who do, should be disiplined not to....i'd be a hypocrite. 

You don't think we have the ability to destroy the earth?..well we dont.  But we can certainly make most of it uninhabitable, if not spoil it outright.  Look at north america from space...reminds me of the growth from some kind of tumor... :tongue:


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    #1569584 - 05/22/03 02:35 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

It is quite pompous of us to think that we have the ability to destroy the Earth

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    #1569650 - 05/22/03 02:56 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Of all the lame-ass posts I've ever read here that's got to be close to the top.

I don't run around my house flicking every light on and leaving them like that. I use the power I need to run what I want to run. I'm not going to sit in the dark or turn off my stereo to make the likes of you happy.

I own the trucks I do because I have the need, use, and desire. Not to deliberately use as much fuel as possible.
I'm not going to ride around cramped like a fat foot into a narrow shoe when larger vehicles are available. The small cars are fucking death traps anyway.

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Its your type which make me sit in the forest, praying and thinking for hours upon hours wondering how someone would ever want to destroy or hurt the earth.



Get a fucking life.


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Its so beautiful, and I think people should really get out more often to experience the real living environment which man was created for.



I nprobably spend more time in the woods than average and love it as well. But it's there to use, as well as admire.


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Not the man made concrete jungle which we feel or cannot see where what we do is so detrimental.



I disagree that what mankind does is as detrimental as you seem to think.


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I just ask, why must you be outright against us?



I'm not "against" anyone.


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Why do you have to use all that energy?



I use what I need and want. It's why it's there. Don't like it? Too fucking bad.


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Its good to remember that the Earth does not belong to us, but that we belong to the earth.



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHA!!!!!

Nope, on second thought, that probably was the most assanine post I've seen. At least, for awhile.


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    #1569698 - 05/22/03 03:16 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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Completely serious.

And why not?




Because the libertarian in you wouldn't be able to use "as much as possible" of someone else's share of a resource in good conscience. It would violate another's rights.

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    #1569702 - 05/22/03 03:18 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Delude yourself how you like.,,,as long as you can't see or comprehend the larger picture what harm can it do?!


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    #1569704 - 05/22/03 03:19 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Try again.


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    #1569705 - 05/22/03 03:20 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

You too.


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    #1569713 - 05/22/03 03:23 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

No need my friend. :smirk: :wink:


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    #1569743 - 05/22/03 03:39 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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When i have a property, i will have a generator for light,




Why not use solar power, generators create a lot of air pollution and noise pollution.

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but will use a woodstove for heat and cooking etc




You're not married are you? Your wife/husband will get pretty pissed if their food takes 10 hours to prepare.

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But we can certainly make most of it uninhabitable, if not spoil it outright




that's true but i still haven't seen groups of people in support of littering OUR Earth except for large corporations dumping water. Basically what i'm saying is that people like LDS and I have the same desire as you but do not see it as a "do it or die" scenerio.

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    #1569755 - 05/22/03 03:43 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Azmodeus and angryshroom, don't forget that Invertigo and luv derive much meaning from life by being button pushers on the Shroomery political forum.  Their bark is worse than their bite.  There's a chance they get around on mopeds and live in their parents' basement.  :smirk:

Here's a paragraph from the very verbose Thoreau's "Walden".  He took two-thirds of a page what the Bible's Jesus said in a sentence: "He who has ears to hear, let him hear."

I do not mean to prescribe rules to strong and valiant natures, who will mind their own affairs whether in heaven or hell, and perchance build more maginificently and spend more lavishly than the richest, without ever impoverishing themselves, not knowing how they live--if indeed, there are any such, as has been dreamed; nor to those who find their encouragement and inspiration in precisely the present condition of things, and cherish it with the fondness and enthusiasm of lovers--and, to some extent, I reckon myself in this number; I do not speak to those who are well employed, in whatever circumstances, and they know whether they are well employed or not; but mainly to the mass of men who are discontented, and idly complaining of the hardness of their lot or of the times, when they might improve them.  There are some who complain most energetically and inconsolably of any, because they are, as they say, doing their duty.  I also have in my mind that seemingy wealthy, but most terribly impovershed class of all, who have accumulated dross, but know not how to use it, or get rid of it, and thus have forged their own golden or silver fetters.      

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    #1569771 - 05/22/03 03:48 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

If you have something to say, say it. If not try to make a little sense. What have i said in the last few posts that tried to push peoples buttons? If you have a problem with my points feel free to discuss them.

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bark is worse than their bite. There's a chance they get around on mopeds and live in their parents' basement.




Actually i own 2 SUV's and you quite possibly could be working for me. I am in very good shape both philosophically and monetarily.....oh, and mopeds are gay.


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    #1569799 - 05/22/03 03:59 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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When i have a property, i will have a generator for light,




Why not use solar power, generators create a lot of air pollution and noise pollution.




Sure!  that would be a good idea.  Who knows?  they might have alternate technology by then, as i wont be moving until my house is payed off.

 
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but will use a woodstove for heat and cooking etc




You're not married are you? Your wife/husband will get pretty pissed if their food takes 10 hours to prepare.




Actually i live with my g/f of five years....but i dont mind waiting. :wink: she's a good cook! :laugh:

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But we can certainly make most of it uninhabitable, if not spoil it outright




that's true but i still haven't seen groups of people in support of littering OUR Earth except for large corporations dumping water.  Basically what i'm saying is that people like LDS and I have the same desire as you but do not see it as a "do it or die" scenerio.




Its the present over consumtion that cant continue.  True, noone is for destroying the earth like in that cartoon captain plantet (lol), but just because YOU wont feel the worst of it doesn't mean it wont have adverse consequences later, or that awarwness isn't required now.

 
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Look at north america from space...reminds me of the growth from some kind of tumor




When i look at N. America from space i see progress and opportunity. 




I used to think so also.  Unfortunately, progress and opportunity is NOT human nature... :frown:

You really see progress and opportunity?!? We have the potential, but "western" lifestyle is self defeating.....we've lost something of what makes us "human"...



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    #1569802 - 05/22/03 04:01 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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i own 2 SUV's




Whats the other one for?


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    #1569816 - 05/22/03 04:09 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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You really see progress and opportunity?!?




I see progress because we are a VERY young country that has accomplished a lot and have grown from a tiny nation into a world power both militarily but more important, economically. We invent and contribute our findings to the world. To me, that's very impressive no matter how much some people HATE us.

I see opportunity in our ability to adapt and grow and hopefully learn and correct our mistakes that will happen. The second we stop growing (philosophically) we are doomed and the US is always looking to improve itself to the likes and dislikes of other countries.

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We have the potential, but "western" lifestyle is self defeating.....we've lost something of what makes us "human"




If you're talking about city life i agree but i have to admit it, i LOVE the hustle and bustle of the city and at the same time i love the sound of the woods. What makes a human is all relative. I lived in the country full time and hated it. I also lived in the city full time and hated it as well. I'll take both.


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    #1569817 - 05/22/03 04:10 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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Whats the other one for?




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    #1569829 - 05/22/03 04:14 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Hahaha. Chill out, inny. If it makes you feel better, I highly doubt that you ride a scooter and live in your parents' basement. Garage, maybe. And why are you limiting me to "the last few posts"? Are you saying you don't enjoy the mild flame and be flamed aspect of the forum? That's all pushing buttons really is.

In what way didn't I make sense? I hate not making sense. Did Thoreau make sense? The first part of that paragraph is saying that if someone who reads his criticisms of mid-1800s modern American life doesn't agree or doesn't see it that way, that person is welcome to disregard what he says--he's not addressing them. Isn't that fair?

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    #1569845 - 05/22/03 04:21 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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Hahaha. Chill out, inny.




Noone here has the ability to rile me up.

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Are you saying you don't enjoy the mild flame and be flamed aspect of the forum?




on the contrary, however in this discussion it has been quite civil since i am discussing something with Azmodeus (the complete polar opposite as I philosophical)

should i start flaming now?

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In what way didn't I make sense?




see above

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Did Thoreau make sense?




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    #1569866 - 05/22/03 04:33 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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I see opportunity in our ability to adapt and grow and hopefully learn and correct our mistakes that will happen. The second we stop growing (philosophically) we are doomed and the US is always looking to improve itself to the likes and dislikes of other countries.




Mind expanding tools are illegal. Public education little more than conditioning of worker bees, to perform thier task until thier worth is less than thier contribution. Out we all go in the morning, and back at night, .... on freeways we are just like insects on a path back to the hive we call a city. Look at condo housing, every unit is exactly the same. This is what i struggle against, but how can i leave the line, when it is crucial to my survival? I see opression, the smothering of individuality, the degrading cycle of human stupidity building and feeding off of itself into some man made neo-technilogical hell, where nature is dismissed and electronics rule or influence every aspect of our life. OH wait, it already does.

this is disapointing....The second we stop growing (philosophically) we are doomed and the US is always looking to improve itself to the likes and dislikes of other countries.

I thought you were referring to humanity, in general as we are all one. One part of humanity sharing with another is no great accomplishment....that is how it should be.



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    #1569882 - 05/22/03 04:43 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

I suppose there are flames and there are mild flames. I'm associating button-pushing to mild flames. If "flames" is too strong, let's go back to my original term, "pushing buttons". It's nothing bad, it's stuff like this:

"I think you just gave a few environmentalists a heart attack....that means we now have more gas, electricity and air to use up." Forgive me if I see a jab where one was not intended.

Perfectly civil button pushing, that's all I was referring to.

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for anyone that's interested in actually useing renewable energy

www.earthship.org


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    #1569911 - 05/22/03 04:59 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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    #1569965 - 05/22/03 05:22 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Why knock woodstoves? They're actually quite common where I grew up in Wisconsin. Your food wont take 10 hours to prepare, and they're cleaner than burning coal. Silly people....


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    #1569995 - 05/22/03 05:41 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Some areas have banned wood stoves. Many that haven't have mandated the use of stoves with catalytic converters which is kind of like substituting one type of pollution for another.

No grasshopper... woodstoves are not the answer.


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    #1570005 - 05/22/03 05:50 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

i have a small amount of respect for those who drive expensive SUV's. its not that i think less of these individuals, but its obvious that they lack style and creativity.

of course, it all depends on circumstance, but someone who is willing to pay a large amount of money for such a useless item....seems...very unintelligent.

but maybe im just a pompous fool because i respect interesting innovation over comfortable conformity.


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    #1570017 - 05/22/03 05:55 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Try putting a 4' X 8' sheet of plywood or a 1/2 ton of sand into the back of an econo-box.

Your parents paid a lot of money to raise you. Are they unintelligent?

You who thinks he has the answer for everyones needs amuse me.


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    #1570045 - 05/22/03 06:05 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

dear luvdemshrooms:

-try putting a 4X6 sheet of plywood into a mercedes m-class

"Your parents paid a lot of money to raise you. Are they unintelligent?"

hahahaha. if you wanna write an intelligent retort, heres a tip:
attack my statement, not me.

firstly, you know nothing about how I was raised. Secondly, there is a mammoth difference between paying money for a child's upbringing, and paying money for an expensive accessory/status symbol/comfort box.

thirdly- "You who thinks he has the answer for everyones needs amuse me"

if you would go back and re-read my statement and actually THINK about it this time, you would notice that i made it explicit that this was my OPINION, and that the choices an individual makes are subject to CIRCUMSTANCE.

i provided no "answer", just an observation on what I
like to see, and what I respect.

try again, this time, put a little more effort into your reply.


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    #1570052 - 05/22/03 06:08 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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Try putting a 4' X 8' sheet of plywood or a 1/2 ton of sand into the back of an econo-box.




Try putting them in an SUV.

edit: atomikfunk you beat me to it.

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    #1570203 - 05/22/03 07:14 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

I put more thought into my answers than you do into your posts, although I'm sure you disagree.

I have the same warm feelings for you as you do for me.


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: hongomon]
    #1570208 - 05/22/03 07:15 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

I have put sheets of plywood into several actually. They fit quite nicely in some. Not so well into others. Show me an econe-box they'll fit into.


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1570298 - 05/22/03 07:56 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

luvdemshrooms:

here you go again making it personal, thats a weakness you should correct, we are discussing ideas here, not egos.

I posted my rebuttal, and you were inable to compete, so you had to revert to personal emotions.

as a consequence, you have been defeated. your emblematic head lies on the floor seperated from your body.

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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1570369 - 05/22/03 08:28 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Gosh, what a surprise you think so.

Defeated? If that's all it took the conservatives would have won the ideological battle long ago

And it's unable, not inable.
And separated, not seperated.

And that was an emotionless response. I'm sure you won't believe that though.


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1570408 - 05/22/03 08:46 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

spelling corrections.......at last youve hit rock bottem.

and what i meant by "emotion" was your reference to your feelings:

"I have the same warm feelings for you as you do for me"

regardless, this debate has strayed from the topic, so I will abandon it.


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1570769 - 05/22/03 10:56 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

I've yet to find an econo car or hybrid with the ground clearance and traction necessary to traverse the unpaved rock embedded seasonally snow covered road to my house. But then I guess I'm unintelligent by making my living largely through telecommuting and living in a rural area far away from the teeming lemmings which infest the cities. I know, it's not very stylish but I actively use my creativity every day to solve complex problems without bitching and whining at others for their lifestyle choices.


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: Evolving]
    #1571145 - 05/23/03 12:56 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

evolving: well, you see i was reffering to those who drive SUV's in the city.

and I wasnt "bitching and whining", this is a discussion forum, I was discussing things, do you not understand how a discussion works? would you like me to insult your intelligence by explaining the process to you? no you wouldnt, and neither would I, so lets not be so brash.

and actually, I used to live in a snowy mountain town with lots of unpaved rock, and many different vehicles other than SUV's can navigate that difficult terrain.


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #1571553 - 05/23/03 04:53 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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Why knock woodstoves?




Try to cook a turkey on that bad boy. Actually i love woodburning stoves, i love the smell but not for cooking meals (which it can just slower)


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1571880 - 05/23/03 10:59 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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I wasnt "bitching and whining"



I'm sure others perceive your leftists rants differently, call it what you will.

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actually, I used to live in...



You have no clue as to the nature of the terrain I am referring to, your experience does not ameliorate your ignorance of my situation.


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: Evolving]
    #1571967 - 05/23/03 11:35 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Who goes offroading in a NEW suv? I always see early 90 broncos, which have been raised, people in the city buy em cus they are a status symbol. NOT everyone mind you, mabye you go camping on logging roads and such, but most that do own an suv, could get by with a car.


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: hongomon]
    #1572034 - 05/23/03 12:05 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

See, and I dont have any problems with guys who actually need big trucks for work... the stuff that disgusts me are SUV's, which really do not have that large of a carrying capacity, and people who drive big ass deisel Trinitron Ford F350's with huge tires and a 24" lift just for looks.

I think there are many more kooks which have the trucks for looks than actually have a construction job where they need the power to pull a large load.

Still, when if we could look into alternate energy which has less polution and still be able to power large automobiles for us Americans who must have big things.

Spending a huge amount of money on something that then costs 50 bucks to fill up and only last 5 days doesn't seem to smart to me. Donno how much you guys pay at the pump, but in the Bay area we pay a good 2.00 - 2.15 for cheap gas.

Whatever I can't tell anyone how to live but, jeez, It just makes me sad...I wish I could educate kids before they go out and make decisions which are detrimental.

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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: angryshroom]
    #1572051 - 05/23/03 12:11 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

WTF? 2.00 - 2.15 for cheap gas.  A LITRE???? :shocked:

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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1572245 - 05/23/03 01:39 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

evolving: I'm sure others perceive your leftists rants differently,

it is obvious that you do not know what the word "leftist" means, because nowhere in my statement did I reveal any sort of political affiliation. If for some reason you equate creativity with the left, and greed with the right, then you are seriously mis-educated.

"You have no clue as to the nature of the terrain I am referring to"

maybe not, but if you blow all your money on a mercedes m-class in order to navigate this difficult terrain, I will still contend that you are a fool. just my opinion though....but I guess I am ignorant, because Ive never been rich enough to justify wasting large amounts of money.


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1572311 - 05/23/03 01:57 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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people in the city buy em cus they are a status symbol




Status symbol? It sounds like a little bit of envy. Actually i own one because i travel a lot and need the room. Other then that i own 2 because i CAN. I don't mind spending 30-40K on a car if it fullfills my requirements.

if all cars were 2k i'd still take my SUV over a car anyday. I would like to upgrade to an Avalanch next.

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but most that do own an suv, could get by with a car.




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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1572321 - 05/23/03 02:00 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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I would like to upgrade to an Avalanch next.



Please don't. It's among the two ugliest vehicles ever made.


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1572370 - 05/23/03 02:12 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Toyota Tacoma's are cool... They would hold my surfboard perfectly and get me down through Baja through to the Seven sisters any day. They are great on gas and haul ass. :wink:

I noticed when I went out to the East coast, no one has Toyota trucks. I had an '84 22R carborated 4-banger that lasted me 375,000 miles, no rebuilt engine, and I just had to replace the valves and exhaust manifold. I recommed Toyota if you get a truck. They are actually good cars and get 20+ miles to the gallon. 

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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: angryshroom]
    #1572381 - 05/23/03 02:18 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

I recomend R4. I will never buy another car. It's the best car ever made by human creature.  :cool: 

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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1572407 - 05/23/03 02:29 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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Status symbol?




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I would like to upgrade to an Avalanch next.




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I could get by with a bike but i'm not aboot to. 




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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: angryshroom]
    #1572421 - 05/23/03 02:33 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

innvertigo:

"Other then that i own 2 because i CAN"

see, thats greed, now im not judging it or calling it a bad thing, but its just uncreative greed. if I had 40k to blow, there would be a million cool things I would spend it on before I would buy a big ugly SUV.

examples: buy a small plot of land and build a really fresh, intricate garden.
-build a big statue of astroboy and donate it to the city.
-produce a really cool short animated film
-research my idea for a "reverse microwave" that can cool a beer really fast

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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1572465 - 05/23/03 02:53 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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Please don't. It's among the two ugliest vehicles ever made.




ha, i like em but i'm not willing to pay that price for a pick-up.

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    #1572471 - 05/23/03 02:56 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

I guess you're not getting it. I WANT an SUV, that's all i need for justification. I don't ever feel guilty when i buy what i want. Those that say it's a status symbol are usually those that don't have one.


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    #1572488 - 05/23/03 03:02 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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see, thats greed, now im not judging it or calling it a bad thing




Sure you are, you just said it was greed...duh!! Why are people so ashamed to judge?

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but its just uncreative greed




So buying a Yugo will make me creative? I'll stick to being uncreative thank you very much.

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if I had 40k to blow, there would be a million cool things I would spend it on before I would buy a big ugly SUV.




That's because you don't have 40K to blow...i and many americans do.

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examples: buy a small plot of land and build a really fresh, intricate garden.




I've got land with a garden.

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build a big statue of astroboy and donate it to the city




That's pretty gay. Be happy you don't have 40k to spend.

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produce a really cool short animated film




see above

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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1572520 - 05/23/03 03:16 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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I guess you're not getting it.  I WANT an SUV, that's all i need for justification.  I don't ever feel guilty when i buy what i want.  Those that say it's a status symbol are usually those that don't have one. 




c'mon, im not jealous of suv's, and if wanting something is justification for buying it, then good for you.  But why do you want this kind of shit so bad?  Its all just stuff, and we loose track of what is want, and what is need.  We are both influenced by the same thing, thats why despite my hatred for icbc, gas, other drivers etc...i still own a car (actually financed) but i await the day i get 40k so that i may free myself and live mostly self sufficiently on a property away from the city.
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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1572531 - 05/23/03 03:20 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

You'll notice I said among the two.....
had you asked me, the Aztec is the other.


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1572575 - 05/23/03 03:41 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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... if you blow all your money on a mercedes m-class in order to navigate this difficult terrain, I will still contend that you are a fool.



Are you smart, resourceful and creative enough to have earned enough money to blow on on Mercedes m-class?  I sense a serious case of envy.

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...but I guess I am ignorant,



Your guess is as good as mine. :grin:

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... because Ive never been rich enough to justify wasting large amounts of money.



To each his own I say, I think most people who buy a Mercedes DON'T NEED TO JUSTIFY IT TO ANYONE, let alone the people who didn't earn the money.  It's obvious that those who do so do not think it's a waste of money and they are in a better position to judge their choices than you.

BTW, I have never seen a Mercedes SUV driven by people who live in my area, they tend to drive vehicles that are a little more suited to the back country or work.


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1572600 - 05/23/03 03:50 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

who needs any of those fools. listen to people like me and you wont even have to goto work anymore...

http://jlnlabs.online.fr/bingofuel/html/aquagen.htm
The fuel described in the link above was the first type of fuel made after the steam engine.

Theres a certain being on this planet whos goal is to enslave the human race and make the environment sutable for there existance. They orignate from a dark polluted place (kinda like hell) In an attempt to pollute the earth these beings were the ones suppressing this info thats now available to all who is strong enuf to break outa there brainwashing. Since they have recently been banned from this world there hasnt been any interference with the spread of this information. They only exist now as hybrid clones amoung us. You can easily tell who they are from the way they feed off aggrivation and negative feelings. Anytime you encounter any of them tell every one you can even postem here.

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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: d4m0n]
    #1572708 - 05/23/03 04:44 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

evolving:
"Are you smart, resourceful and creative enough to have earned enough money to blow on on Mercedes m-class?"

you have a serious flaw in your logic if you think that intelligence is a pre-requisite for wealth. and like I said, if i did have the money, I wouldnt waste it on silly consumer goods, I am beyond obsessing over mere possesions, no matter how shiny they may be.

"people who buy a Mercedes DON'T NEED TO JUSTIFY IT TO ANYONE,"

once again, you fail to understand the english language. when I say justify, it is an internal justification. "justify" does not mean proving anything to others.

innvertigo: I will not even attempt to attack your comments, because they lack quality and style, and are therefor not worthy of my energy.


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1572716 - 05/23/03 04:47 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Be happy you don't have 40k to spend.

It's not that much inny. Jesus, you're not Bill Gates yet  :laugh:


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1572717 - 05/23/03 04:47 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms:
"Are you smart, resourceful and creative enough to have earned enough money to blow on on Mercedes m-class?"

you have a serious flaw in your logic if you think that intelligence is a pre-requisite for wealth. and like I said, if i did have the money, I wouldnt waste it on silly consumer goods, I am beyond obsessing over mere possesions, no matter how shiny they may be.

"people who buy a Mercedes DON'T NEED TO JUSTIFY IT TO ANYONE,"

once again, you fail to understand the english language. when I say justify, it is an internal justification. "justify" does not mean proving anything to others.



Once again you demonstrate your inability to comprehend.... for you see.... I didn't say any of that.

Go back and re-read.... hopefully this time WITHOUT your head up your ass.


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1572730 - 05/23/03 04:55 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)


touche, i had become so used to decimating your poorly formulated arguments that it had become habit to post your name at the top of my quick reply.





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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1572733 - 05/23/03 04:57 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Nice comeback.


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1572855 - 05/23/03 05:43 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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you have a serious flaw in your logic if you think that intelligence is a pre-requisite for wealth.



You have a serious problem with reading comprehension if you think I ever stated that intelligence is a pre-requisite for wealth.  So how come you can't afford what you look down upon others for?  If you can't blame it on a lack of intelligence, could it be your lack of creativity?

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... and like I said, if i did have the money, I wouldnt waste it on silly consumer goods,



Like I said, 'to each his own.'  I have no problems with others' choice of lifestyle, what makes you such a superior judge of how others should run their lives?

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... I am beyond obsessing over mere possesions, no matter how shiny they may be



Well, aren't you superior!  I find it ironic that someone who admittedly can't afford such things looks down upon those who can.  Your apparent elitist attitude appears to be a means to cover up your envy.

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"people who buy a Mercedes DON'T NEED TO JUSTIFY IT TO ANYONE,"

once again, you fail to understand the english language. when I say justify, it is an internal justification. "justify" does not mean proving anything to others.



The pot is calling the kettle black.  From Websters, Dictionary, unabridged, 2nd edition:
anyone,
1. any single.
2. any single person or thing.

Think about it sport, the term ANYONE would include oneself.  Maybe you should try to improve upon your poorly formulated arguments so you don't get decimated. :wink:

BTW, didn't you state, "regardless, this debate has strayed from the topic, so I will abandon it. " 


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1572961 - 05/23/03 06:16 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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see, thats greed, now im not judging it or calling it a bad thing, but its just uncreative greed.



So is it alright if its creative greed?

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if I had 40k to blow, there would be a million cool things I would spend it on before I would buy a big ugly SUV.



So its alright to spend the money as long as its "cooler" than a SUV?

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examples: buy a small plot of land and build a really fresh, intricate garden


Unless you are going to feed others with your produce, I don't see how that is not greedy.

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-build a big statue of astroboy and donate it to the city.



That has to be the gayest thng I've heard since George Micheal's bathroom incident.

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-produce a really cool short animated film




I still don't see how this is any less greedy than buying an SUV?


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research my idea for a "reverse microwave" that can cool a beer really fast




They already have something like this. But even so, I still don't see how this would be any less greedy?

If they were jokes, they weren't funny, if they were serious, then they weren't intelligent.

You have no place saying what someone should, or shouldn't buy, as long as what they are buying does not infringe upon your rights.









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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: Skikid16]
    #1573133 - 05/23/03 07:25 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

evolving: i abondoned my argument against luvdemshrooms because it had strayed from the topic, you attacked my argument, so i became interested again.

"You have a serious problem with reading comprehension"

-dont bite my style, create your own.

"So how come you can't afford what you look down upon others for? If you can't blame it on a lack of intelligence, could it be your lack of creativity?"

because I am a broke student/filmmaker, and whenever I get extra money, I spend it on art.

"what makes you such a superior judge of how others should run their lives?"
-my highly advanced intellect, and my vast life experience. you dig?

"Your apparent elitist attitude appears to be a means to cover up your envy."

why would I envy someone who owns an m-class when I can sk8board 1000 times better than them? i have no use for an expensive car, i prefer transit, because driving in a congested city is boring and stupifying.

"Think about it sport, the term ANYONE would include oneself"

so, let me get this straight...please correct me if I am wrong, you are saying that people who buy expensive SUV's do not need to justify it to themselves? hmmmmm...........so, technically you are saying that, if one doesnt justify purchasing an SUV, then they do not think it is just, which means they think it is unjust and invalid.........interesting.

Skikid: you didnt come hard enough for me to bother with your argument. sorry, but I only have enough time to deal with those who can produce responses that I could not predict.


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1573210 - 05/23/03 08:16 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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Skikid: you didnt come hard enough for me to bother with your argument. sorry, but I only have enough time to deal with those who can produce responses that I could not predict.


So in addition to being able to tell people what they should and shouldn't buy, you are now able to predict certain users posts.

With all that talent why are you still a poor film-maker?




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    #1573263 - 05/23/03 08:47 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

:grin:


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1573286 - 05/23/03 08:53 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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"what makes you such a superior judge of how others should run their lives?"
-my highly advanced intellect, and my vast life experience. you dig?



No I don't dig. You have not demonstrated a highly advanced intellect nor evidence of vast life experience which make you better than those you criticize. Each person is vastly more qualified to make decisions about their own lives than a complete stranger, a broke student who imagines himself a filmaker and squanders his money on 'art.'

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why would I envy someone who owns an m-class when I can sk8board 1000 times better than them?



Wow, I'm impressed.

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"Think about it sport, the term ANYONE would include oneself"

so, let me get this straight...please correct me if I am wrong, you are saying that people who buy expensive SUV's do not need to justify it to themselves?



That's right, oh superior one. They don't need to justify it, they can purchase things on a whim (this does not mean that they won't justify it). It's called FREEDOM, aka LIBERTY. You are free to choose that which pleases you and others are free to choose that which pleases themselves.

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hmmmmm...........so, technically you are saying that, if one doesnt justify purchasing an SUV, then they do not think it is just, which means they think it is unjust and invalid.........interesting.



No I'm not saying that. See above.


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1573405 - 05/23/03 09:30 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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Skikid: you didnt come hard enough for me to bother with your argument.



Well here's a shot for you to express that "advanced intellect", point out where I presented an argument in that post. From what I remembered, I posted a few questions, then I gave an opinion, at no time did I make a claim and try to support that claim with premises, followed by a conclusion.




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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: Skikid16]
    #1573580 - 05/23/03 10:56 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

skikid:

"With all that talent why are you still a poor film-maker?"

its sad that you guys have to revert to making things personal. you see, I dont care about your personal life, what ever it is you do in your spare time is of no consequence to how well you can debate. And its quite obvious why I am poor, I am a student, which I stated. And actually, in general, documentary filmmakers do not make huge amounts of money.

evolving: "Each person is vastly more qualified to make decisions about their own lives than a complete stranger, a broke student who imagines himself a filmaker and squanders his money on 'art.'"

I never said I wanted to make decisions for anyone, maybe you are projecting your own narcisistic fantasies on to my statements. Oh...! art is so petty is it!!! so petty and useless is the pathetic human institution of "art". Listen here bucko, when you can pour all of your energy and all of your money into something you love, then you can talk shit about "art", until then, remain a docile spectator.

"They don't need to justify it, they can purchase things on a whim (this does not mean that they won't justify it). It's called FREEDOM, aka LIBERTY"

okay, heres some basic psychology, in order for a human being to make a decision, they need to justify that decision.....oh and spewing out automated responses like "FREEDOM" will only make you look like a propaganda victim.


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1573681 - 05/23/03 11:25 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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I never said I wanted to make decisions for anyone, maybe you are projecting your own narcisistic fantasies on to my statements. Oh...! art is so petty is it!!! so petty and useless is the pathetic human institution of "art". Listen here bucko, when you can pour all of your energy and all of your money into something you love, then you can talk shit about "art", until then, remain a docile spectator.



You are so judgemental of others but when someone offers an opinion about your life style choices suddenly they're narcissistic?!? You can dish it out but you can't take it eh? Well, at least according to your criteria I can talk shit about "art."

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okay, heres some basic psychology... blah blah blah blah



One would think that with all your life experiences you would be able to get it yet you entirely miss the point. But then you're super intelligent, creative and have all the answers, so why would you bother trying to understand? Stop dwelling on your tangent and consider that your judgmentalism and denigration of others merely because they have different lifestyle choices makes you come across as an intolerant snob who thinks that anyone who takes a path that he wouldn't is somehow beneath him. We can't all be nor do we all desire to be living the lifestyle of a starving student/artist who sits back and ridicules people who like to enjoy the fruits of their labors. Get it?


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: Evolving]
    #1573801 - 05/24/03 12:07 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

"who sits back and ridicules people who like to enjoy the fruits of their labors"

i have no problem with enjoying the fruits of labour my friend, nor did i ever state anything that alluded to such an idea. All i said is that I find people who buy expensive SUVs for urban living to be uncreative. And that people who waste large amounts of money are stupid.

i am not trying to make decisions for anyone, nor do I contend to have any answers. If i am labelled as an intolerant snob, then so be it. But I never said I was a better human than these peoples, but rather, a smarter, cooler human.

i dont give a fuck if anyone desires to be me, I think people should be themselves, whatever that may be.

My argument, at its core is all about style, its not as deep and as insidious as you wish to believe. And maybe its my fault, because sarcasm is poorly communicated through text.

see, your problem evolving, is that your style is not yet developed enough to battle me, you need more training, you rely to much on personal attacks, you need to be more analytical. your replies are rushed, and lack coherance.

when you can run through a forest blindfolded, then maybe.........

but what it comes down to is this: you are not arguing with me, you are arguing with your own, mentally constructed imaginary version of me. And until you change, you will be doomed to fail time and time again. As it stands, I can anticipate your reactions like I can anticipate the second hand moving on my clock.


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1573909 - 05/24/03 01:01 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

its sad that you guys have to revert to making things personal. you see, I dont care about your personal life, what ever it is you do in your spare time is of no consequence to how well you can debate.

Twas always thus atomik. Just regard it as a compliment. What else can you do when your arguments are decimated? Move onto bizarre personal attacks and reach for the old "websters dictionary".

Nothing changes  :laugh:


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1573915 - 05/24/03 01:03 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Alright, if you guys were planning to argue this until the cows came home, I just checked the barn and guess what? The cows are home.

We probably all have our own idea of "to each his own," and try to keep it in mind, but where do we draw the line? When do we decide that someone else's actions are affecting ourselves or others? Do we say "to each his own" with smoking in public? How about how much oil a person burns? What about walking through the public library naked? And so on and so on.

Oops I forgot the cows were home.

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    #1574036 - 05/24/03 03:00 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

That's pretty gay. Be happy you don't have 40k to spend.

There's one good thing about getting an SUV inny, it should give you plenty of space to carry your "Complete Dukes of Hazzard" DVD collection.


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    #1574137 - 05/24/03 05:57 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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That's pretty gay. Be happy you don't have 40k to spend.

There's one good thing about getting an SUV inny, it should give you plenty of space to carry your "Complete Dukes of Hazzard" DVD collection.



That from the guy who said.....
"Twas always thus atomik. Just regard it as a compliment. What else can you do when your arguments are decimated? Move onto bizarre personal attacks and reach for the old "websters dictionary"."

How incredibly two-faced.

But we expect nothing else.


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    #1574344 - 05/24/03 10:14 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Websters dictionary:

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3 a : that quality which appeals to a sense of the ludicrous or absurdly incongruous b : the mental faculty of discovering, expressing, or appreciating the ludicrous or absurdly incongruous c : something that is or is designed to be comical or amusing


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    #1574371 - 05/24/03 10:39 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Ah yes.... humor.

A concept you use to attempt to hide your hypocrisy.

Unfortunately for you, we see through it.


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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1574692 - 05/24/03 02:40 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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My argument, at its core is all about style, its not as deep and as insidious as you wish to believe. And maybe its my fault, because sarcasm is poorly communicated through text.

see, your problem evolving, is that your style is not yet developed enough to battle me, you need more training, you rely to much on personal attacks, you need to be more analytical. your replies are rushed, and lack coherance.




You know, before this post I was questioning if you maybe were intelligent and just acting like a **edited for Alex's whiny ass** to get attention, but after this crap ^^^^^, I have come to the conclusion that you are, indeed, a **edited for Alex's whiny ass**

Sorry Rono, I know, I know, no flames, but you can't discuss anything with this guy because he doesn't discuss, I mean, we all have to face it, he is, well, a **edited for Alex's whiny ass**

And the funny thing, while I was reading the quoted post, I was thinking, damn, this guy is almost as much of a whackjob as Alex, and low and behold, who comes swooping in right after the above mentioned post, Alex.



Atomik,

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"With all that talent why are you still a poor film-maker?"

its sad that you guys have to revert to making things personal. you see, I dont care about your personal life, what ever it is you do in your spare time is of no consequence to how well you can debate. And its quite obvious why I am poor, I am a student, which I stated. And actually, in general, documentary filmmakers do not make huge amounts of money.




I was trying to be funny, because well, that's all your posts deserve. And you were the one that pointed out that you were poor. I was just saying that it is strange that you have so many talents like telling people what to buy and the uncanny ability to predict the future, I'd think you could do something like read people's minds to see what the next big product is, buy stock in the company that makes that productd, and make lots of money...for your short animation films, of course.
But why should I tell you that, you have got a superior intellect.
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All i said is that I find people who buy expensive SUVs for urban living to be uncreative. And that people who waste large amounts of money are stupid.



That's very judgemental. What if you have a large family, and you'd rather buy one vehicle than two. There is not that much descrepency in the gas mileage for mini-vans and SUVs.

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see, your problem evolving, is that your style is not yet developed enough to battle me,


You sound like a stupid boxer talking shit before the fight, you know, the one that usually gets his ass beat when the punches start flying.


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but what it comes down to is this: you are not arguing with me, you are arguing with your own, mentally constructed imaginary version of me. And until you change, you will be doomed to fail time and time again. As it stands, I can anticipate your reactions like I can anticipate the second hand moving on my clock.



What the fuck is this rubbish. This is really fucking gay.

You are pissing me off, not because your views are different, but because you are being a **edited for Alex's whiny ass** . Stop spouting off giberish, it doesn't make you sound smarter to anyone. If someone is wrong, point out how and why they are wrong with a logical argument, don't just say, "You have no style."

You sound like someone who listens to Incubus, and thinks their lyrics are deep.



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    #1574695 - 05/24/03 02:43 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Oh, and how come you can't respond to people's questions, I guess because they lack "style", I'm still waiting for a response to this:
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Skikid: you didnt come hard enough for me to bother with your argument.



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Well here's a shot for you to express that "advanced intellect", point out where I presented an argument in that post. From what I remembered, I posted a few questions, then I gave an opinion, at no time did I make a claim and try to support that claim with premises, followed by a conclusion.









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    #1574705 - 05/24/03 02:50 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Give the flames a rest can you? It's the same shit you've repeated a thousand times before. No-ones interested.

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    #1574779 - 05/24/03 03:40 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Hell Alpo, if they deleted posts for the reasons you think they should, no-one would even know you had been here at all.


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    #1574784 - 05/24/03 03:42 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

skikid:

-intelligent and just acting like a fuck wad to get attention
-What the fuck is this rubbish. This is really fucking gay.
-You are pissing me off
-you are being a fuckwad

my friend, what motivates you to behave in such an odd way? look at yourself, writhing in your chair, staring at my words with such irrational anger.

your statements are contradictory, and you ignore the majority of my argument in order to justify your anger.

Sure, my original statements were judgemental of those I described. So....? whats your point? im sorry if I come off as a pompous asshole, but you have to understand, everything you are saying is predictable and emotionally driven, you can do better if you actually consider what I say, rather than spewing insults and nonsense. But once again, we have gone off topic and are debating ME, and I am not egotistical enough to carry on this debate any further, so either, get back on topic, or go on with your life.





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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1574805 - 05/24/03 03:58 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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you can do better if you actually consider what I say, rather than spewing insults and nonsense.


The point is, you say nothing that can be argued with because your points are:

"i have a small amount of respect for those who drive expensive SUV's. its not that i think less of these individuals, but its obvious that they lack style and creativity. " (this is a contradictory statment, you have a small amount of respect, but you don't think less of them?)

That is an opinion, much like I like girls that are blonde with big tits, all that can be responded to that statment is you "I don't agree." You pointed this out in the next post addressed to LDS with this:

"if you would go back and re-read my statement and actually THINK about it this time, you would notice that i made it explicit that this was my OPINION, and that the choices an individual makes are subject to CIRCUMSTANCE. "

So how would one go about attacking your opinions, eh?

But then, in your next post to LDS, you state:

"I posted my rebuttal, and you were inable to compete, so you had to revert to personal emotions.

as a consequence, you have been defeated. your emblematic head lies on the floor seperated from your body. "

Which is in direct contradiction to your statement about your "opinion".

Then you go on to spout off more opinions in your post to Inny:
"innvertigo:

"Other then that i own 2 because i CAN"

see, thats greed, now im not judging it or calling it a bad thing, but its just uncreative greed. if I had 40k to blow, there would be a million cool things I would spend it on before I would buy a big ugly SUV. "

That is your opinion that it is greed, which is not an arguable point, I think its greed that you are still breathing air that could be used for intelligent life, but hey, that's just an opinion, so I don't argue it.

In that same post you go on to state the things that you would do with money, if you had it :
"examples: buy a small plot of land and build a really fresh, intricate garden.
-build a big statue of astroboy and donate it to the city.
-produce a really cool short animated film
-research my idea for a "reverse microwave" that can cool a beer really fast"

All of which I responded to, and asked for you to explain how these are not greedy actions, but I think you said my arguments were nothing for you, so you did not address my questions. I guess that's your superior logic.


So you never address whether or not you like Incubus, because they're deep, and they have "style"?












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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: Skikid16]
    #1574824 - 05/24/03 04:13 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

actually I hate incubus with a passion, but if you're truly interested in my musical taste, check my post on hiphop in the arts section.

okay, clarification time.

yes, I have less respect for someone who drives a mercedes m-class, but i dont think less of them, that is not contradictory. Respect is esteem, appreciation and honor. I do not honor these people, but I realize they are just people living their lives, and they bought that expensive comfort box for whatever the fuck reason they bought it for. My lack of respect does not mean that I think less, it means I do not think more.

if they would have spent that 50,000 something interesting and creative...for example....a VW van that can be powered by electricity and solar power...then they would garner my respect.

"So how would one go about attacking your opinions, eh?"
you took my statement out of context, check the context and you will find your answers.

"That is your opinion that it is greed, which is not an arguable point, I think its greed that you are still breathing air that could be used for intelligent life, but hey, that's just an opinion, so I don't argue it."

you see, that is weak. this statement is indicitive of your lack of style. You cant efficiantly attack my statement, so you just spew an insult.

All of which I responded to, and asked for you to explain how these are not greedy actions: well, the garden would be open to the public...so all of these actions are for everyone, not just me. Greed is when people hoard things for themselves, giving things to other people is the opposite of greed.




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Re: BOYCOTT EXXON/MOBIL [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1574849 - 05/24/03 04:28 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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yes, I have less respect for someone who drives a mercedes m-class, but i dont think less of them, that is not contradictory. Respect is esteem, appreciation and honor. I do not honor these people, but I realize they are just people living their lives, and they bought that expensive comfort box for whatever the fuck reason they bought it for. My lack of respect does not mean that I think less, it means I do not think more.




Semantics...... What does it mean that you realize they are just people living their lives? Because to me, it seems like having little respect for someone would mean that you think little of them, but hey, like I said, its semantics.

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you took my statement out of context, check the context and you will find your answers.




I didn't take it out of context.

you said:
"i have a small amount of respect for those who drive expensive SUV's. its not that i think less of these individuals, but its obvious that they lack style and creativity.

of course, it all depends on circumstance, but someone who is willing to pay a large amount of money for such a useless item....seems...very unintelligent."

LDS said:
" You who thinks he has the answer for everyones needs amuse me. "

You said:
"if you would go back and re-read my statement and actually THINK about it this time, you would notice that i made it explicit that this was my OPINION, and that the choices an individual makes are subject to CIRCUMSTANCE. "

LDS said:
"I put more thought into my answers than you do into your posts, although I'm sure you disagree.

I have the same warm feelings for you as you do for me. "

You said:
"here you go again making it personal, thats a weakness you should correct, we are discussing ideas here, not egos.

I posted my rebuttal, and you were inable to compete, so you had to revert to personal emotions.

as a consequence, you have been defeated. your emblematic head lies on the floor seperated from your body. "

What part did I take out of context?


So far all you have done is said how other's arguments are weak and how they are lacking style. I have yet to see one argument presented by you, all you do is spout out opinion.














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    #1574952 - 05/24/03 05:40 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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it should give you plenty of space to carry your "Complete Dukes of Hazzard" DVD collection.




That has to be the best attempt at humor out of you since you got here..it's still pretty weak. The Brits aren't known for their humor.

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    #1575372 - 05/24/03 09:53 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

"its semantics."

yes...obviously.


"have yet to see one argument presented by you, all you do is spout out opinion"

i dont think I have ever pretended that I was arguing a complex political issue. I stated an opinion, a few people attacked me for stating this opinion. I never presented any political argument, just an opinion that was attacked, and those attacked it could not properly deconstruct my statement, so they chose to attack me personally, thusly, I defended myself.

all of this is obvious.

but anyways.....ive lost all my will to keep this argument alive, so I will concede that you are a very arduous debateer.




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    #1575777 - 05/25/03 01:35 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

For the ugliest vehicles contest you'll have to post a pic of the Aztec. Otherwise I'm sticking with my original vote, the Pinto. And for current models, it's the Hummer easily.

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    #1575927 - 05/25/03 05:31 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Pontiac Aztek

While the Pinto is ugly, so was the AMC Gremlin (hell all AMC cars were ugly).

The Aztek is the ugliest though.


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The Aztek looks great from the inside.


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    #1576221 - 05/25/03 11:25 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

yeah, but the gremlin had style.


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    #1576306 - 05/25/03 12:28 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, someone might lose their job over that one.

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Otherwise I'm sticking with my original vote, the Pinto




The Pinto was not the ugliest, rather the most flammable.


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At GM they made a lot of the upper management drive one to show that it was selling. It has got to be the ugliest car in a long time.


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    #1578406 - 05/26/03 12:59 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Thats it?! I read the last two pages of argumentative rubbish to end up back at the aztec again!!!!? :shocked: :mad:

Damn, debating goes in circles....this thread needs something new...
Why aren't they promoting hybrid cars now?....or unknown companies trying to jumpstart the alternate fuel types, to secure themselves a piece of the pie?


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    #1579473 - 05/26/03 08:01 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Why aren't they promoting hybrid cars now?....or unknown companies trying to jumpstart the alternate fuel types, to secure themselves a piece of the pie?

"they" are in certain parts of the world. Alternative energy companies are getting pretty big in alberta........or at least big enough to afford really big billboards telling everybody how big they are.


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    #1580758 - 05/27/03 05:06 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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Why aren't they promoting hybrid cars now?....or unknown companies trying to jumpstart the alternate fuel types, to secure themselves a piece of the pie?




They are promoting these cars in my area (Detroit) which makes sense i suppose. The problem is that they are sooooooo expensive. They had an international competition at my Univ. of Mich. of various school-invented hybrid cars. They're also new so anyone who thinks these can just be mass produced once they are discovered is fooling themselves.

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    #1580903 - 05/27/03 08:29 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Note to self: Stay out of this Mess.

Edited by Adom (05/27/03 08:37 AM)

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    #1580917 - 05/27/03 08:36 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

that made no sense...


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    #1580920 - 05/27/03 08:38 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Sorry I changed the post, funny you would answer it.

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    #1580923 - 05/27/03 08:40 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Don't mind me, I've already left this forum.

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Sorry I changed the post, funny you would answer it.




I answered it because it made no sense, it's funny that noone else noticed.


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    #1580943 - 05/27/03 08:59 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Last post in this forum, for real this time.

But I probably edited it because it made no sense. Make's sense huh?

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    #1580995 - 05/27/03 09:28 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

sure, after i mentioned it.


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    #1581606 - 05/27/03 01:39 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Darn, its always a shame to see fresh meat leave so soon... :laugh:

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    #1581690 - 05/27/03 02:03 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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Its probably for the best anyways...



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    #1581713 - 05/27/03 02:08 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

:grin:

When i lived in the UAE, gas was so unbelievably cheap....i think around 15c/L and that was including full service!
Hell i remember the first summer i got my old escort, it was only 40c/L... :tongue:


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    #1581742 - 05/27/03 02:18 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

The cheapest that i've seen it (that i remember) $.89 /gal (approx 22 c/ltr). my truck is pretty good on gas relativly speaking. It has the same size engine as the S-10 (4.3 ltr) so i don't spend too much on gas. (about 27 dollars to fill up)


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    #1581759 - 05/27/03 02:21 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

AZMO-

wow you lived in the UAE, what was it like? i was once dating a girl from there and she wanted to take me home, but she was too materialistic for me, so it ended. so, i doubt i will be going there anytime soon, so....fill me in.


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    #1581771 - 05/27/03 02:25 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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what was it like?




Sand, Oil and heat.


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    #1581838 - 05/27/03 02:58 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

It was fucking awesome! i was there for the last six months of grade 10 which i finished via correspondance.  Great weather most of the year, but the summer months are hot as fucking HELL!  Over 50C, in the shade....it was worse at the coastal cities though, not quite as hot, but humid as hell.  You walk outside to your car and yourcovered in sweat even before the a/c kicks in.

Beutiful scenery, i fell in love with the desert, saw lots of camels, scorpions, and other criters.  Found actuall fossils of sea animals, and ancient pottery piieces from sites that just haven't been researched for one reason or another.  Did lots of trips to waddis (secret swimming holes) where i could jump from the rocks above into nice fresh water, and most you could follow up a ways as they were in canyon type formations.  Really neat to put a mask and snorkel on and explore!

Only thing thats fucked up is the living.  You have TONS of indian and pakistani workers there trying to make more than in thier own country, but they are pretty much slaves doing whatever work they can for minimum money.  The arabs are much better off.  The government gives them money, houseing, good job (banker, customs officer etc..) and they all drive new cars.  It funny cus the important princes and such pay for less digits on their liscense plates.  If you see anyone in the hundreds they are well-off nationals.  In the tens it probably a prince or relitive of the sheiks family.  Below 10 and the cars have police escorts and stuff...lowest i saw was 7, and was a mercedes something er other with curtains on the windows, two cop cars, and four bikes in front and behind it.

The problem though is with all the workers, the ratio of men to women is like 1:10, so if your a women (or young white boy) you have to deal with them STARING at you mentally raping you in thier sick little heads.

It was the first place i smoked shesha, and after the six months i visited twice a year for the next four years going back there for christmas hollidays to see my mom, and meeting her at some country in the summer for a few weeks holiday.  I got to go to ireland, greece, turkey, thailand all of which were great experiences!  Im 22 now, and seeing those different cultures and ways of life has been an educating experience.

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