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Messiah of Savants
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MycoSupply Dehydrated Horse Manure Pellets and Recipes?
#15562767 - 12/23/11 03:46 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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A year or two ago now I remember seeing dehydrated manure on MycoSupply and for the longest time it wasn't labelled, but was known to be cow manure. Now they label it as horse manure and it does indeed seem to be different (horse) manure.
Does this stuff have the same mud-like consistency when water is added as the cow manure? My guess is it does. Also I've heard that it can be a little too "hot" with the nitrogen content. Would I be ok using this with only verm (as much needed to get rid of muddy-ness) and not burn the myc?
Does anyone use the MycoSupply dehydrated horse manure pellets and can recommend a recipe that's a bit easier to work with than the one supplied on the mycosupply website. And also what is the best way to prep these pellets? It seems like you should almost soak them wet first for awhile to get them completely hydrated again or you could end up with small pellets that stay dry.
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Re: MycoSupply Dehydrated Horse Manure Pellets and Recipes? [Re: Messiah of Savants]
#15566383 - 12/24/11 10:30 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bump. I'm curious to hear others opinions on this.
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Messiah of Savants
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Re: MycoSupply Dehydrated Horse Manure Pellets and Recipes? [Re: vanthonyv]
#15566642 - 12/24/11 11:34 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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It doesn't seem like many people use this stuff. You can't find a whole lot of information on the subject searching the forums.
I wonder if someone from MycoSupply or close to them could chime in on their product. I thought about posting this in the sponsors forum.
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Re: MycoSupply Dehydrated Horse Manure Pellets and Recipes? [Re: Messiah of Savants]
#15570770 - 12/25/11 02:24 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Anyone have any experience/info. to share with these Pellets?
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Re: MycoSupply Dehydrated Horse Manure Pellets and Recipes? [Re: Messiah of Savants]
#15571134 - 12/25/11 04:53 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Messiah of Savants said: I wonder if someone from MycoSupply or close to them could chime in on their product. I thought about posting this in the sponsors forum.
You can call them direct, during normal business hours... Or you can send "Lana" a 
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Re: MycoSupply Dehydrated Horse Manure Pellets and Recipes? [Re: Messiah of Savants]
#15609545 - 01/03/12 10:01 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hello, I can easily answer your questions
You wrote: "but was known to be cow manure. Now they label it as horse manure and it does indeed seem to be different (horse) manure."
You are correct. We switched to horse manure awhile back because there seemed to be a greater variety of nutrients within the horse manure than the cow. In short, the horses are fed a wider range of food thus providing a greater range of nutrients.
You wrote: "Does this stuff have the same mud-like consistency when water is added as the cow manure? My guess is it does."
Your guess is correct When using/buying dehydrated manure, what you want is nutrients. Many people want the look and feel of fresh manure but what they may fail to realize is that the mycelium/mushroom really don't care what it looks like, they want the nutrients. This is why when buying dehydrated manure, you receive a greater amount of nutrients for your money. Fresh manure is mostly water, so why pay for water weight when you can add that yourself. The consistency is like a watery mud or like a soup depending on how much water you add. Dehydrated manure actually needs very little water in order for it to be soft enough for the mycelium to run through although many folks add too much. The thing with dehydrated manure is that if you add "too much" water, you're just dissipating the nutrients over a great volume. Which in turn will not hurt or ruin anything, you're just not getting the amount of "bang for your buck" as you should.
You wrote: "Also I've heard that it can be a little too "hot" with the nitrogen content. Would I be ok using this with only verm (as much needed to get rid of muddy-ness) and not burn the myc?"
One, you can use it with straight vermiculite but I have no recipes or ratios to give. The idea of it being too hot is all based on what the animal eats. For example, you can have two different horses (or cows) and if they both have different diets, their manure will both be different. I have seen no evidence that cow manure is better/worse than horse manure. It's all in what that particular animal is fed.
You wrote: "And also what is the best way to prep these pellets? It seems like you should almost soak them wet first for awhile to get them completely hydrated again or you could end up with small pellets that stay dry. "
This is the fun part! I've heard of people using wild amounts of water to manure ratios. I've heard of others who simply use very small amounts of water (30% water to 70% dehydrated manure based on weight). We have one commercial grower of edibles that uses 50 pounds of manure to every 4-5 gallons of water. That to me is a very small amount of water but again, the manure does not and will not return to its natural size/texture. The nutrients is whats needed. As for it being "too hot" please remember that we're talking about dehydrated manure and not compost. Both have specific nitrogen levels but there's sometimes great quantities in compost simply due to its composition. Then again, like my example of the two horses or cows, with compost, it all depends on what is used to make up the compost. Manure/dehydrated manure is not compost.
I hope that helps.
Lana
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Re: MycoSupply Dehydrated Horse Manure Pellets and Recipes? [Re: Messiah of Savants]
#15610368 - 01/03/12 01:43 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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Right now I am cooking up my first mixture. I am using 2 parts straw soaked in 2 parts water, with one part of the dry manure in. OPtional is adding gypsum to the soak. In 12 hours it is all dissolved and mixed with the straw and ready to cook. I then pastuerize for 30 min, then I add 3 parts coir, 2 parts verm/perlite, and 3 tablespoons of kelp powder and pasteurize for at least 30 more min.
Similar to my regular compost mixture, just using more coir or verm to adjust moisture. works great for cubensis, about to see how pan cyans spawn react to it!!
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Re: Mycosupply Dehydrated Horse Manure Pellets and Recipes? [Re: Messiah of Savants]
#15611127 - 01/03/12 04:34 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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Depending when they changed the formula from cow to horse, I have used this stuff twice. It works. Maybe I need more practice with it, but I found it hard to get the moisture content correct and didn't like the "mud" like consistency.
Try it and let us know what you think.
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Re: Mycosupply Dehydrated Horse Manure Pellets and Recipes? [Re: shroomizzy]
#15611223 - 01/03/12 04:54 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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More verm is suggested for cow manure.
I recall 80/20 hpoo/verm vs. 75/25 cpoo/verm being suggested.
I have hpoo and that is what I use.
Good luck,
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Re: Mycosupply Dehydrated Horse Manure Pellets and Recipes? [Re: Javadog]
#15611617 - 01/03/12 06:19 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks for the info Lana!. I'm sure it will help some others down the road as well.
The new horse manure pellets do seem to have slightly less of an odor than the cow pellets you use to sell. Maybe it's just me though. It's been a few years since I used the stuff. I will say I had great results with it. Some of the best cubes I've ever grown. I just went with Tenn Stud until they shut down because it was a much better substrate to work with. Now I don't have a good supply anymore so I thought I would go back to your pellets...
The materials and process I used to make up 3 spawn spawn bags worth of substrate with the new horse pellets is as follows:
25 cups coco coir (hydrated then allowed to dry to < field capacity) 2.5 cups dehydrated horse manure w/ 4 cups water 0.25 cups chicken manure 2.5 cups gypsum 2.5 cups worm castings 2.5 cups coffee grounds 13 cups vermiculite (needed 3 extra cups because of wetness 4 cups water to bring to field capacity (was too much, try 3 next time)
Next time I will use a full brick of coir and up the gypsum a bit more. I needed a couple of liters of the coir for some seedlings I planted.
1) First I added the dehydrated horse manure pellets and chicken poo pellets together in a bucket with about 4 cups of water. This created a slightly thicker than "paste-like" consistency. I let this soak over the coarse of measuring mixing the rest of the substrate together. Pellets seemed to about double in volume when hydrated.
2) Then I measured out the coir, gypsum, vermiculite, and coffee grounds. Mixed thoroughly in a separate 5 gallon bucket.
3) Then I poured the manure paste mix over the substrate. It poured like brownie mix into a pan. I then mixed this up very well and was surprised by than the better than expected texture.
4) I then brought the whole mix up to about field capacity adding 4 cups of water. I added too much water and had to add another 3 cups of vermiculite.
I will be spawning grains to it later today when the bags get back down to room temp after the pasteurization.
This stuff doesn't seem like it will be too bad to work with once you figure out the best route.
Edited by Messiah of Savants (01/03/12 06:21 PM)
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Re: Mycosupply Dehydrated Horse Manure Pellets and Recipes? [Re: Messiah of Savants]
#15668310 - 01/15/12 05:31 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have had great results with this recipe.
1600 cubic inches finely chopped straw 6 cups manure pellets 3 cups gypsum About 4-5 cups water makes 4 bags
Soak straw for 24 hours. Mix gypsum,and manure with water til the mix is consistent and paste like. I let this sit for 24 hours. Drain straw and mix with manure until all straw is evenly coated. When mixed you should not have any clumps of manure, just brown straw. Bag and pc 2 hours, could be pasteurized in bags but i prefer to sterilize.
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Re: Mycosupply Dehydrated Horse Manure Pellets and Recipes? [Re: oysterizer]
#15675104 - 01/16/12 07:08 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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Awesome oysterizer! Thanks for your recipe. I'm gonna try it some time to use up the straw I have!
I've also done another run or two of substrate pasteurization too and here's my latest recipe if anyone cares...
1 brick coco coir (approx. 32 cups? + 10 cups water) 4 cups dehydrated horse manure ( + 2 cups water per 1 cup manure) 5 cups gypsum 4 cups worm castings 4 cups coffee grounds 0.5 cups chicken manure 20 cups vermiculite
3 cups water to capacity
The only big difference in mixing procedure was that I mixed the dehydrated manure, gypsum, worm castings, and chicken manure with the water until everything was good and hydrated. A nice slurry paste I poured over my coir/verm mix.
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