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Re: Christopher Hitchens and the afterlife [Re: thefloodbehind]
#15540839 - 12/19/11 04:40 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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thefloodbehind said: Jung expresses the thought better than I have done:
"Because we cannot discover God's throne in the sky with a radiotelescope or establish (for certain) that a beloved father or mother is still about in a more or less corporeal form, people assume that such ideas are 'not true.' I would rather say that they are not 'true' enough, for these are conceptions of a kind that have accompanied human life from prehistoric times, and that still break through into consciousness at any provocation."
I tend to agree with him. 
So what? Kind of a dumb quote imo and shows how Jung was sinking into irrationality. Becker had a much better explanation for these "conceptions" by demonstrating fear of impermanence/death as the prime motive here.
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Re: Christopher Hitchens and the afterlife [Re: 4896744]
#15541043 - 12/19/11 05:12 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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You're*
Sorry, man. I have given my ideas all the substantiation I feel is necessary as I don't really take the internet seriously.
However, if you're interested, check out my blog at thefloodbehind dot tumbr dot com, where I post some of my class papers, among other things.
And Icelander, that's fine. The reality here is that neither of us can say who's ultimately correct as both of us are still alive. You go your road, I'll go mine. At the end of the day I have hope over oblivion—even if I am wrong.
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Re: Christopher Hitchens and the afterlife [Re: thefloodbehind]
#15541084 - 12/19/11 05:21 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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The reality here is that neither of us can say who's ultimately correct
You make it sound as if unsubstantiated belief, even if ultimately wrong, is harmless so just let it go.
But that's far from true. Witness suicide bombers. George Bush going to war because god told him to. And sick people dying because they believe in predator quacks selling snake oil instead of modern medicine.
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Re: Christopher Hitchens and the afterlife [Re: thefloodbehind]
#15541094 - 12/19/11 05:22 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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thefloodbehind said: You're*
Sorry, man. I have given my ideas all the substantiation I feel is necessary as I don't really take the internet seriously.
However, if you're interested, check out my blog at thefloodbehind dot tumbr dot com, where I post some of my class papers, among other things.
And Icelander, that's fine. The reality here is that neither of us can say who's ultimately correct as both of us are still alive. You go your road, I'll go mine. At the end of the day I have hope over oblivion—even if I am wrong. 
You have every right to be wrong. Go in pieces.
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Re: Christopher Hitchens and the afterlife [Re: Diploid]
#15541143 - 12/19/11 05:33 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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I believe killing witches is OK because we are all going to die anyway.
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Re: Christopher Hitchens and the afterlife [Re: Rahz]
#15541312 - 12/19/11 06:14 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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If killing bitches that I thought were witches made me happy enough I would be all on that.
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Re: Christopher Hitchens and the afterlife [Re: Diploid]
#15541439 - 12/19/11 06:37 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Diploid said: The reality here is that neither of us can say who's ultimately correct
You make it sound as if unsubstantiated belief, even if ultimately wrong, is harmless so just let it go.
But that's far from true. Witness suicide bombers. George Bush going to war because god told him to. And sick people dying because they believe in predator quacks selling snake oil instead of modern medicine.
Good thing I do my best to abide by the legitimate teachings of Jesus (among other wise men) and thus am not at all a violent person.
Also, I have severe qualms with modern medicine, but that's a topic for another thread.
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Re: Christopher Hitchens and the afterlife [Re: thefloodbehind] 1
#15541449 - 12/19/11 06:40 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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I too prefer less effective methods of treatment.
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Re: Christopher Hitchens and the afterlife [Re: 4896744] 1
#15541499 - 12/19/11 06:46 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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You know what they call alternative medicine that has been proven to work? Medicine.
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Re: Christopher Hitchens and the afterlife [Re: Diploid]
#15541686 - 12/19/11 07:16 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Obi Won - "Who's the more foolish, the fool, or the fool who follows him?"
I see too many theists who fall into "the fool who follows him." No reasoning or critical thinking skills in most of them.
I spent a long time looking for god in everything including drugs. I found out that the guy I was praying to was me. The answer I get back, that is me too, just a different part of me. I thought for a time that everything was god until i realized that if everything was god that meant essentially nothing was.
Think for yourself. McKenna said something that stuck with me forever: "We have to try to understand what is happening, and in my humble opinion ideology is only going to get in your way....take responsibility for what you say and what you do."
Of course the logical fallicy in this is that if I listen to McKenna, I have in fact adopted an ideology. The ideology of don't adopt an ideology 
that had something to do with hitchens i think lol i am just pretty stoned and rambling
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Re: Christopher Hitchens and the afterlife [Re: StonedStan]
#15541726 - 12/19/11 07:22 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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McKenna was also a big fan of Gnostic Christianity. It really isn't an ideology at all.
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Re: Christopher Hitchens and the afterlife [Re: StonedStan]
#15541737 - 12/19/11 07:23 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't adopt the ideology of not adopting an ideology.
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Re: Christopher Hitchens and the afterlife [Re: Diploid]
#15541811 - 12/19/11 07:37 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't hear McKenna espousing gnostic christianity. On the contrary, many times he knocks on christians. I think the wiki page says that but the only things i ever hear him speak of are platonic thought (which is actually what "gnostic christianity" actually is)
Admittedly, I have not heard all of his rants tho. Only like, 50 hours lol
I have a Nag Hammadi and I can't get past all the general BS in it to find anything actually good. Maybe Thomas's gospel but even then it is mostly the same stuff from the regular old bible.
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Re: Christopher Hitchens and the afterlife [Re: StonedStan]
#15541849 - 12/19/11 07:44 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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He knocks, but never explicitly degrades them. I have heard him call science the "bastard child" of Christianity, but I think he meant this ironically as he appreciated science but ultimately recognized its limitations.
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Re: Christopher Hitchens and the afterlife [Re: StonedStan]
#15541934 - 12/19/11 07:59 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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thefloodbehind said: Further, IThink, what do you make of Art? Just some random creative ability humans (and no other species ... ?) have spontaneously developed as a result of some biological mutation? 
I think these things are true, but at the same time I can't imagine living in a world where that's all art is to me.
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StonedStan said: I have a Nag Hammadi and I can't get past all the general BS in it to find anything actually good. Maybe Thomas's gospel but even then it is mostly the same stuff from the regular old bible.
If you only read two books from that thing, read Thomas and the Apocryphon (Secret Book) of John.
The second one is reeeaaally important... it features a twist that would make M. Night Shyamalan completely evacuate his bowels.
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Just because i don't find art to be some mystical phenomenon doesn't mean i don't fucking love it. Taking mdma along with psychs at edm concerts is one of the greatest experiences i've had. EDM music is one of my favorite pasttimes in general.
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Re: Christopher Hitchens and the afterlife [Re: 4896744]
#15542382 - 12/19/11 09:15 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm not talking about mystical dimensions here, I'm talking about how you choose to express your relationship with the world.
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