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obscured reality?
    #15537796 - 12/18/11 11:37 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Hey all, first post here, anyway...

I had an experience the other day with 3.5g Alacabenzie, nothing too crazy.  I found it hard to/could not speak at times, but did not and have not yet experienced full on ego death.

During one of the periods I couldn't talk I realized something.  It seemed profound to me and still does.  It's kind of hard to explain but here it goes.

I thought of nature and trees and stuff of the sort.  How beautiful it all is, but then I realized most of what we experience is made up by our brains.  This process is assisted by our language.

I realized when I look at a tree for example, my brain was thinking "tree, leaves, bark, roots" etc.. This was labeling the tree for one. Then further muddling up the image with all the various things I knew about trees.  I cant see the actual tree, no sorry not tree but the true nature of what it is.

Anybody have any comments?

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Re: obscured reality? [Re: 1funguy]
    #15537960 - 12/19/11 12:37 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

That isn't obscuring reality because there is no such thing as an objective reality. A lumberjack sees a tree as a source of income and looks for good ways to take it down. An environmentalist sees something that needs protecting and a source of oxygen and food. None of these things is untrue, its just each person's perspective, i.e. their reality. Even by having this drug-induced realization you have changed your own reality.


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    #15537982 - 12/19/11 12:48 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: obscured reality? [Re: bloodsheen]
    #15537985 - 12/19/11 12:50 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I wonder what it would be like to unlearn everything, and then experience the "tree"?

You are right though, obscured probably isn't the best word to use. 
Each persons reality is formed by their experiences, so whose reality is the actual reality?  I think everyone's reality is tainted/obscured/covered/formed/created/shaped (for lack of better words) by their experiences.

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Re: obscured reality? [Re: 1funguy]
    #15538019 - 12/19/11 01:10 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I feel as though psychedelics help calm and break things down so well that it imbues common sense. Ive always agreed with the statement that there is no such thing as common sense because to have common sense there has to have been a learned experience, and not everyone shares the same experiences. But since ive taken psychedelics that statement seems null and void, because they open and expand your mind so well that its like your able to comprehend and teach yourself common sense.


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Re: obscured reality? [Re: 1funguy]
    #15539617 - 12/19/11 12:12 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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I realized when I look at a tree for example, my brain was thinking "tree, leaves, bark, roots" etc.. This was labeling the tree for one. Then further muddling up the image with all the various things I knew about trees.  I cant see the actual tree, no sorry not tree but the true nature of what it is.

Anybody have any comments?




Yeah, that's a good one. :thumbup:  You've stumbled on a Buddhist meditation practice, or at least most of it. 

You're quite right, language (labeling) gets right in there to obscure perception.  Try this - rather than paying attention to the labeling, just let it drift away unacted on.  After a while (hours, days, years :shrug:) of doing this the labeling stops, and you start to experience the direct sense impression itself. 

You can take it to the next level, where you're aware of seeing or hearing the thing, and become unaware of what sense is being stimulated as well. That gets a little weird, where you can be tasting sight, or seeing sound... :lol:

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Re: obscured reality? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #15540123 - 12/19/11 02:12 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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I realized when I look at a tree for example, my brain was thinking "tree, leaves, bark, roots" etc.. This was labeling the tree for one. Then further muddling up the image with all the various things I knew about trees.  I cant see the actual tree, no sorry not tree but the true nature of what it is.

Anybody have any comments?




Yeah, that's a good one. :thumbup:  You've stumbled on a Buddhist meditation practice, or at least most of it. 

You're quite right, language (labeling) gets right in there to obscure perception.  Try this - rather than paying attention to the labeling, just let it drift away unacted on.  After a while (hours, days, years :shrug:) of doing this the labeling stops, and you start to experience the direct sense impression itself. 

You can take it to the next level, where you're aware of seeing or hearing the thing, and become unaware of what sense is being stimulated as well. That gets a little weird, where you can be tasting sight, or seeing sound... :lol:

:peace:PS




I know exactly what you mean about removing labels from things. I still seem to objectify objects and living entities such as animals or plants, but when it comes to locations I never remember what the exact physical area looked like first, only the emotional vibe that went with the area.

I know that doesn't make that much sense but it is hard to put into words.

OP I think it is important to keep in mind that although we do indeed label things and over analyze, one does have the ability to step back from the confines of the analytical framework that we are programmed with and simply perceive things as they are. Tripping makes this easier IMO.

With nature in particular it seems very easy to simply observe and not analyze while tripping because nature, like a psychedelic experience, is a non-linear and chaotic system.


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