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The Gregorian Calendar is a Religious Calendar
    #15538538 - 12/19/11 07:18 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)



The Gregorian Calendar has its origins in a non-religious calendar invented by Julius Caesar: a structure of months and days (slightly modified by Augustus Caesar) combined with a simple leap year rule.

From before the Nicene Council in 325 CE the Christian church(es) used the Julian Calendar. Years were dated in the Roman manner, either AUC (i.e., from the founding of the City of Rome) or as the number of the year in some Emperor's reign or in some Consul's term of office.

In the 525 CE, following a request from one of the Popes, Dionysius Exiguus introduced an epoch for the Julian Calendar with the intention that "Year 1" would designate the year in which Jesus Christ was born, or perhaps Dionysius intended it as the year in which the incarnation occurred. This method of designating years was promoted by the Catholic Church and spread throughout Europe, thereby creating the "Christian" era, which hitherto did not exist. This is the first religious component of (what is now) the Gregorian Calendar.

In Dionysius's chronology years were labelled "Anno Domini", meaning, "in the year of Our Lord (Jesus Christ)". Thus this method of designating years includes an implicit affirmation of the existence of Jesus Christ, who, according to the Nicene Creed, "for us men for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man ..." and who now sits "at the right hand of God the Father" in heaven. This is the second religious component of (what is now) the Gregorian Calendar.

At the time of the Nicene Council the various Christian churches of Asia were not all celebrating Easter on the same day, due to divergent methods of fixing the date. In addition to formulating the Nicene Creed (which is the definitive statement of Christian faith) the Nicene Council brought all the churches into line by promulgating a rule for the determination of the date of Easter. This was formulated in terms of the date of the (northern) vernal equinox, specified as March 21, even though in fact the vernal equinox did not always occur on March 21 in the Julian Calendar at that time (so this date is known as the "ecclesiastical vernal equinox" in the context of calculating the date of Easter).

The average length of the year in the Julian Calendar is longer than the vernal equinox year, so by the 16th C. the vernal equinox was occurring on average about 11 days before March 21. This was causing the date of Easter to drift toward summer, clearly inconsistent with the intent of the Nicene Fathers, so the Catholic Church reformed the calendar by (a) dropping 10 days from the calendar and (b) modifying the leap year rule so as to ensure that the average length of the year in the reformed calendar (now called the "Gregorian" calendar) was (almost) the same as the vernal equinox year, thus eliminating the offending slippage. Since (a) and (b) were implemented so as to bring the date of Easter (one of the two main holy days of the Catholic religion) back into accord with the date of the vernal equinox, as intended by the Nicene Fathers, this constitutes the third religious component of the Gregorian Calendar.

Thus although the Gregorian Calendar had its origin over 2000 years ago in a non-religious calendar, it was modified by the Catholic Church in the 6th C. and 16th C. for clearly religious purposes, as described above, and is thus a religious calendar, despite the fact that it is used for non-religious purposes by most people who use it.

http://www.hermetic.ch/cal_stud/gregorian_calendar_religious.htm


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Re: The Gregorian Calendar is a Religious Calendar [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #15538549 - 12/19/11 07:22 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Yeahp.  Did you know the russians ALMOST installed a ten-day week system back in the 50's?  So much smarter, and would have solved so many issues for those involved in science and tech.


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Re: The Gregorian Calendar is a Religious Calendar [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #15538554 - 12/19/11 07:24 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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At the time of the Nicene Council the various Christian churches of Asia were not all celebrating Easter on the same day, due to divergent methods of fixing the date. In addition to formulating the Nicene Creed (which is the definitive statement of Christian faith) the Nicene Council brought all the churches into line by promulgating a rule for the determination of the date of Easter. This was formulated in terms of the date of the (northern) vernal equinox, specified as March 21, even though in fact the vernal equinox did not always occur on March 21 in the Julian Calendar at that time (so this date is known as the "ecclesiastical vernal equinox" in the context of calculating the date of Easter).






Specifically, the date of Easter is the first Sunday after the first full moon after the (northern) vernal equinox.


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Re: The Gregorian Calendar is a Religious Calendar [Re: RenzoSupreme]
    #15538559 - 12/19/11 07:25 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

How would science and technology benefit from a ten day week calendar? You mean it would've been closer in sync to the seasonal year?


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Re: The Gregorian Calendar is a Religious Calendar [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #15538568 - 12/19/11 07:30 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

by the way this site has a lot of stuff on different calendar systems. interesting to know how other people and cultures sync their lives and that there are always alternatives for those fed up with the current system. :thumbup:

http://www.hermetic.ch/cal_stud.htm

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Re: The Gregorian Calendar is a Religious Calendar [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #15538575 - 12/19/11 07:34 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Not exactly, although, yes, the calender the Soviets were suggesting had equal months as well.  It made a lot more sense for several reasons, but I was referring to some other issues, I have personally encountered with our calender. 

Observe:

Timers.. Right?  I've had to use electronic timers all throughout college and my career.  It pisses me off, and heres how:

What if I want to operate on a one day interval? (every other day, on)

Well, thats fine and dandy, but how would I know if today is an 'on' day, or an 'off' day?  You lose track pretty quickly, and you'll need to actually look at the timer to find out...

So, what if we do 'ODD/EVEN' settings?  I.e. 'on' even days, 'off' odd days.

Well, again, thats fine and dandy, and it would really be nice to KNOW whether today was an 'on' day or an 'off' day, but then...
What happens when you've got months that have 29, or 31 days?  It fucks up.. 31, and then 1, are both odd days...

This is just one example of what I mean.  I can drivel on and on about how this stupid fuckinig religious calender makes my work unnecessarily complex, but the point was,

The russians ALMOST fucking fixed it, but Noooooooo, we had to ruin it for everyone.. Again..

For all people in engineering/science, or even just mechanics or carpentry, you understand how standard units of measurement make your job insanely more difficult and annoying than if we JUST ADOPTED THE FUCKING METRIC SYSTEM!


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Re: The Gregorian Calendar is a Religious Calendar [Re: RenzoSupreme]
    #15538603 - 12/19/11 07:44 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I understand the predicament. It's not just that. For example look at how we need to reschedule our daily lives each year because every time the days fall on a different week day. Everybody has to go buy a new calendar, a new planner, and reschedule shit. I mean it may not be totally obvious to some, but I'm sure if anyone tried a calendar that kept the weekdays in sync each year they would be like holy fuck this makes so much more sense! why are we still tying our whole civilization to such a dysfunctional calendar such as the Common Era Calendar??


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Re: The Gregorian Calendar is a Religious Calendar [Re: RenzoSupreme]
    #15538605 - 12/19/11 07:44 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Or the one that pisses me off the most about 7 day timing settings:

Monday: on.  Tuesday: off.  Wednesday: on.  Thursday: off. Friday: On.  Saturday: off.  Sunday.......on?  God dammit, now its going to run on monday too!

See how that works?

Theres also a 14day week setting on most industrial timers:

monday: on.  Tuesday: off.  Wednesday: on.  Thursday: off. Friday: On.  Saturday: off.  Sunday: on.  Monday: off. Tuesday: on.  Wednesday: off. Thursday: on.  Friday: off. Saturday: on.  Sunday: off. 

This setting will give you the EXACT same results as a 1-day-interval setting, but jesus fucking christ.. Is today an on day? Or an off day?  Is it week 1, or week 2?  Again, you HAVE to look at the fucking timer..

If we just had the god damn 10 day week, my problems would be solved.  We'd still have Mon-Sun, but then we'd add three more unique days.  I'd call them 'awesomday, fuck-yea-day, and 'high-fives-and-tight-vibes' day. 

This way, I could have a PRECISE timing setting, i.e. 1 day intervals, but on the same token, I would actually KNOW whether today was an on day or not.. "Oh, its awesomeday, that means its an OFF day!" and I don't have to check the stupid timer.

See what I'm getting at here?

Now, you think thats bad, let me start up my bitch-fest about the metric system!

.....naaaaah.... I'll spare you all.


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Re: The Gregorian Calendar is a Religious Calendar [Re: RenzoSupreme]
    #15538619 - 12/19/11 07:49 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

The French went ape shit on this subject when Mary what's her name got her head chopped-off.  Invented their own new non-churchy calendar.

Robs Pierre (SP?) was a nut!  No he really was.


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Re: The Gregorian Calendar is a Religious Calendar [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #15538664 - 12/19/11 08:01 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, but the weekday names are all norse pagan names, which is fucking epic:

Sunday = Sun's day.
Monday = Moon's day.
Tuesday = Tyr's day.
Wednesday = Odin's day.
Thursday = Thor's day.
Friday = Frigg's day.
Saturday = Saxnot's day.

So, every time you say a day of the week, you're actually refering to norse mythology, and you're usually honoring a norse god. :thumbup:

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Re: The Gregorian Calendar is a Religious Calendar [Re: nooneman]
    #15538690 - 12/19/11 08:09 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah, but the weekday names are all norse pagan names, which is fucking epic:

Sunday = Sun's day.
Monday = Moon's day.
Tuesday = Tyr's day.
Wednesday = Odin's day.
Thursday = Thor's day.
Friday = Frigg's day.
Saturday = Saxnot's day.

So, every time you say a day of the week, you're actually refering to norse mythology, and you're usually honoring a norse god. :thumbup:




or the seven classical astrological planets :awesome::earth:


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Re: The Gregorian Calendar is a Religious Calendar [Re: nooneman]
    #15538712 - 12/19/11 08:16 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

:waits: ........................What are you, a wizard?
:waits:...........................Or just a fucking Catholic?


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Re: The Gregorian Calendar is a Religious Calendar [Re: RenzoSupreme]
    #15538714 - 12/19/11 08:17 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry, that wasn't intended as a troll.. I joke, pris, I joke..


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Re: The Gregorian Calendar is a Religious Calendar [Re: RenzoSupreme]
    #15538721 - 12/19/11 08:18 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Ban now...or let fester a bit and ban later :datass: the Pub mod's dilemma!

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Re: The Gregorian Calendar is a Religious Calendar [Re: koraks]
    #15538737 - 12/19/11 08:20 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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Ban now...or let fester a bit and ban later :datass: the Pub mod's dilemma!




Nuuuuuuuuuu! I was jokes! I jokes!  I jokes!  I love wizards!


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Re: The Gregorian Calendar is a Religious Calendar [Re: RenzoSupreme]
    #15538791 - 12/19/11 08:37 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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Sorry, that wasn't intended as a troll.. I joke, pris, I joke..





I do not find thor's day offensive

no clue why you'd panic

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Re: The Gregorian Calendar is a Religious Calendar [Re: RenzoSupreme]
    #15538794 - 12/19/11 08:38 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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Ban now...or let fester a bit and ban later :datass: the Pub mod's dilemma!




Nuuuuuuuuuu! I was jokes! I jokes!  I jokes!  I love wizards!



You need to be more convincing. Exactly $250 more convincing, in fact.

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Re: The Gregorian Calendar is a Religious Calendar [Re: koraks]
    #15538819 - 12/19/11 08:43 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I need about $700 worth of convincing

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Re: The Gregorian Calendar is a Religious Calendar [Re: koraks]
    #15538822 - 12/19/11 08:44 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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koraks said:
Ban now...or let fester a bit and ban later :datass: the Pub mod's dilemma!




Nuuuuuuuuuu! I was jokes! I jokes!  I jokes!  I love wizards!



You need to be more convincing. Exactly $250 more convincing, in fact.




Okay, okay, okay.. I *grumble* love..*sigh*... Catholics.. Too..

All better? :shrug:


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Re: The Gregorian Calendar is a Religious Calendar [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #15538826 - 12/19/11 08:45 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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I need about $700 worth of convincing



So for just under $1k, you can enjoy the opportunity of not getting your ass banned from this tedious place!

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Re: The Gregorian Calendar is a Religious Calendar [Re: koraks]
    #15538835 - 12/19/11 08:47 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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I need about $700 worth of convincing



So for just under $1k, you can enjoy the opportunity of not getting your ass banned from this tedious place!




Okay! FINE!

....Cathoilcs...are.. Awesome..*pukes in mouth*
Cathoics.....Made.....Everything.....Really pretty neat.. :huxleyfacepalm:
I like Catho...


OH FUCK IT!! JUST BAN ME ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: The Gregorian Calendar is a Religious Calendar [Re: RenzoSupreme]
    #15538850 - 12/19/11 08:50 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

no... cathoholics suck, and I believe I'll require $1500 to convince me otherwise for the day

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Re: The Gregorian Calendar is a Religious Calendar [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #15538855 - 12/19/11 08:51 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I'll play ball for only $1499. Look at us being a fully functional capitalist economy! We got all the market dynamics and everything. Extortion, fraud, nepotism - you name it, we got it.

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Re: The Gregorian Calendar is a Religious Calendar [Re: koraks]
    #15538866 - 12/19/11 08:53 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

If the calendar had 13 months of 28 days, that would equal 364 days per year.  This would allow us to use the same calendar for 4 consecutive years. Leap year screws it all up though and would shift the calendar 1 day each time.


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Re: The Gregorian Calendar is a Religious Calendar [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #15538890 - 12/19/11 08:58 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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no... cathoholics suck, and I believe I'll require $1500 to convince me otherwise for the day




Lies..... I'd be willing to bet, that if I sent you a cashier's check for $1,000,000,000,000,000,000, as well as the head of my first-born, you'd profess your love for the pope, but would secretly still hate Catholics..

I refuse to play that game.  I'll convince you the good ol' fashioned way:


WITH THE LAAAWD!



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Re: The Gregorian Calendar is a Religious Calendar [Re: RenzoSupreme]
    #15538901 - 12/19/11 09:01 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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no... cathoholics suck, and I believe I'll require $1500 to convince me otherwise for the day




Lies..... I'd be willing to bet, that if I sent you a cashier's check for $1,000,000,000,000,000,000, as well as the head of my first-born, you'd profess your love for the pope, but would secretly still hate Catholics..




for that kind of cash I'd dress like a school boy and take it in the ass

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Re: The Gregorian Calendar is a Religious Calendar [Re: ky_distiller]
    #15538907 - 12/19/11 09:02 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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If the calendar had 13 months of 28 days, that would equal 364 days per year.  This would allow us to use the same calendar for 4 consecutive years. Leap year screws it all up though and would shift the calendar 1 day each time.





and the hippies are trying to convince us that capitalism doesnt work

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Re: The Gregorian Calendar is a Religious Calendar [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #15538912 - 12/19/11 09:03 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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no... cathoholics suck, and I believe I'll require $1500 to convince me otherwise for the day




Lies..... I'd be willing to bet, that if I sent you a cashier's check for $1,000,000,000,000,000,000, as well as the head of my first-born, you'd profess your love for the pope, but would secretly still hate Catholics..




for that kind of cash I'd dress like a school boy and take it in the ass




Shi-it, bitch, for 1/10 of that sum, I'll take it from the whole fucking Vatican!

You know they all have narrow, short, flacid little cocks, right?  Its a no brainer!

:themoreyouknow:


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    #15538913 - 12/19/11 09:03 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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for that kind of cash I'd dress like a school boy and take it in the ass



Oh, so now you want cash for that all of a sudden eh? You're getting pretentious.

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Re: The Gregorian Calendar is a Religious Calendar [Re: koraks]
    #15539035 - 12/19/11 09:35 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

10 days or 7 days? I dont care as long i get a four day weekend!


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