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ATL#7 Monotub Fruiting w/ stone harvest
    #15537748 - 12/18/11 11:22 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I'm hoping to get some fruits from this tub. The grain spawn is from some jars that I harvested sclerotia from. I spawned my WBS to coir using D5050's bucket tek with the addition of a cup of gypsum and an extra qt. of vermiculite.

2 qts. Spawn
10 qts. Coir
3 qts. Verm
1 cup Gypsum

I spawned to bulk on 12/13 .......

Two days later 12/15:


Checked tonight 12/19 (6 days into colonization):


I'm debating on whether to let it consolidate or just fruit it a day or two after 100%. Any TC's have any suggestions? Particularly or anyone experienced with fruiting stone producers


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Re: ATL#7 Monotub Fruiting [Re: Wing]
    #15537759 - 12/18/11 11:24 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

i would wait for 10 14 days atleast with that low of spawn ratio


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Re: ATL#7 Monotub Fruiting [Re: tripdawg420]
    #15539436 - 12/19/11 11:23 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

There are a few dime sized spots that aren't colonized yet. I'm not sure if you can see that in the pics. Im estimating it will reach 100% no earlier than day 10.


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Re: ATL#7 Monotub Fruiting [Re: Wing]
    #15539544 - 12/19/11 11:54 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I was under the impression you needed a slight bit of poo for specific enzymes, and a thin casing layer, I don't have first hand experince, the only advice I could give woukd be dont mist once you have pins, that to may no longer be good advice. Although if its a good monotub you don't ever need to mist, ever.


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Re: ATL#7 Monotub Fruiting [Re: Montock]
    #15539607 - 12/19/11 12:09 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

:popcorn:

Definitely gonna be checking in on this one.


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Re: ATL#7 Monotub Fruiting [Re: trophycase]
    #15539627 - 12/19/11 12:16 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: ATL#7 Monotub Fruiting [Re: gus330]
    #15539656 - 12/19/11 12:25 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Until Stonesun chimes in...he's obviously the one you want to hear it from...

I'm under the impression that they benefit (possibly require) a thin casing layer (1/4 in of cactus soil is what he uses i think)to stimulate spore-bearing fruit (mushrooms). I don't believe StoneSun even consolidates or allows it to run through the casing layer. Just cases and immediately puts into fruiting conditions. Consolidating and/or skipping the casing would probably lead to more sclerotia production if proper moisture levels are sustained. Only one way to find out...try...or ask StoneSun .:laugh:


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Re: ATL#7 Monotub Fruiting [Re: Dr.Boomstik]
    #15539689 - 12/19/11 12:34 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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Dr.Boomstik said:
Until Stonesun chimes in...he's obviously the one you want to hear it from...

I'm under the impression that they benefit (possibly require) a thin casing layer (1/4 in of cactus soil is what he uses i think)to stimulate spore-bearing fruit (mushrooms). I don't believe StoneSun even consolidates or allows it to run through the casing layer. Just cases and immediately puts into fruiting conditions. Consolidating and/or skipping the casing would probably lead to more sclerotia production if proper moisture levels are sustained. Only one way to find out...try...or ask StoneSun .:laugh:



Good points. Stonesun is the man.


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Re: ATL#7 Monotub Fruiting [Re: Wing]
    #15539802 - 12/19/11 01:04 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

:popcorn:
I've been debating trying ATL#7 out ever since I read the easier then cubes post.
Your sub looks awesome man :thumbup:


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Re: ATL#7 Monotub Fruiting [Re: amungus]
    #15539822 - 12/19/11 01:11 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

ATL#7 will require a casing layer to get fruits.

I just got done trying to fruit some & failed.
I don't know if it was the conditions or the substrate (coir+verm).
Casing was done right & everything.
But I did harvest around 20 oz. of stones from the tub.

Here's a link to one of SS's grows:
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Re: ATL#7 Monotub Fruiting [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #15540237 - 12/19/11 02:43 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I am definitely going to use a casing layer and I'm planning on jiffy mix. Manure would have helped as its always good but I'm trying for a simple bulk substrate that works.

TL - Any pointers you gained while trying coir+verm? How long before you ended up harvesting the stones?


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Re: ATL#7 Monotub Fruiting [Re: Wing]
    #15540249 - 12/19/11 02:46 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not using coir+verm anymore, that's what I learned.
I'll probably toss in a couple of quarts of manure next time.
I had 3 jars from a previous grow that were on their second flush of stones.
So I tossed those 3 rye jars in w/ 6 other WBS jars that were fully colonized (a couple already producing stones).
I wanted a good 45 days before harvesting & scrapping the project.
I needed the tub & the room, anyways.
Besides, now I have some nice chocolate gooey trippin' gifts to give to some friends.


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Re: ATL#7 Monotub Fruiting [Re: Wing]
    #15540319 - 12/19/11 03:01 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

What my friend TL said. You need a very thin casing layer. 50/50 +lime works best. Prepare to be patient though. Sclerotia forming species are not difficult but they are a bit trickier to fruit. Here is one of my trays. Nothing like SS trays though :wink:



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Re: ATL#7 Monotub Fruiting [Re: Wing] * 2
    #15540395 - 12/19/11 03:18 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I have had P. galindoi pinning on manure based
substrate before without a casing layer, so it isn't required
but you should definitely have one if you want good results.
I don't consolidate my substrate, it goes to fruiting immediately
after casing.
I like to introduce fruiting conditions as soon as possible
because it seems to help fruit production.
IME if I wait too long after full colonization of the substrate it will produce
mostly stones and fruiting will be poor.
On a side note, I also think that P. galindoi should fruit fine
without manure (on coir based substrates) but I can't confirm it.
I have fruited P. mexicana before on supplemented coir with great results.

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Re: ATL#7 Monotub Fruiting [Re: stonesun] * 1
    #15540408 - 12/19/11 03:20 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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On a side note, I also think that P. galindoi should fruit fine
without manure (on coir based substrates) but I can't confirm it.




Pics I have posted above are ATL7 on coir/verm/coffee/gypsum :thumbup:


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Re: ATL#7 Monotub Fruiting [Re: stonesun]
    #15540412 - 12/19/11 03:22 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

SS - as always, you're the man :bow::hatsoff::murray:

& in no way am I giving up. I'm going to try again till I got some p. galindoi prints!

LM - that's what I was thinking, too. Probably 2 quarts of coffee.


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Re: ATL#7 Monotub Fruiting [Re: LeopardMan]
    #15540476 - 12/19/11 03:37 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I'm hoping I can get it to fruit. Wish me luck!

I'll be fruiting it in a few days. I'll be using jiffy as casing like I said above. I made a monotub specifically for this.

4 1" holes at substrate level on each long side
2 1" holes at substrate level on each short side
1 1" hole higher up on each short side

14 holes to provide plenty of FAE :lolsy:


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Re: ATL#7 Monotub Fruiting [Re: Wing]
    #15540518 - 12/19/11 03:46 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks SS for the info. I plan to enter fruiting as soon as it's ready. Thanks LM for the proof it can work, and TL for the trial and error.

@LM & @TL - Do you think the lack of manure made it harder for you? My idea was to go manure-less so that if I failed at getting fruits then I could at the least eat manure free stones.


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Re: ATL#7 Monotub Fruiting [Re: Wing]
    #15540538 - 12/19/11 03:50 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I just don't know what went wrong w/ mine.
I think next time, I'll add coffee grounds & if that doesn't work, I'll go to manure


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Re: ATL#7 Monotub Fruiting [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #15540567 - 12/19/11 03:55 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

:jah: I'm gonna pull up and watch this one..


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