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Wing
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ATL#7 Monotub Fruiting w/ stone harvest
#15537748 - 12/18/11 11:22 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm hoping to get some fruits from this tub. The grain spawn is from some jars that I harvested sclerotia from. I spawned my WBS to coir using D5050's bucket tek with the addition of a cup of gypsum and an extra qt. of vermiculite.
2 qts. Spawn 10 qts. Coir 3 qts. Verm 1 cup Gypsum
I spawned to bulk on 12/13 .......
Two days later 12/15:
Checked tonight 12/19 (6 days into colonization):
I'm debating on whether to let it consolidate or just fruit it a day or two after 100%. Any TC's have any suggestions? Particularly or anyone experienced with fruiting stone producers
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Re: ATL#7 Monotub Fruiting [Re: Wing]
#15537759 - 12/18/11 11:24 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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i would wait for 10 14 days atleast with that low of spawn ratio
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Wing
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There are a few dime sized spots that aren't colonized yet. I'm not sure if you can see that in the pics. Im estimating it will reach 100% no earlier than day 10.
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Re: ATL#7 Monotub Fruiting [Re: Wing]
#15539544 - 12/19/11 11:54 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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I was under the impression you needed a slight bit of poo for specific enzymes, and a thin casing layer, I don't have first hand experince, the only advice I could give woukd be dont mist once you have pins, that to may no longer be good advice. Although if its a good monotub you don't ever need to mist, ever.
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Re: ATL#7 Monotub Fruiting [Re: Montock]
#15539607 - 12/19/11 12:09 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Definitely gonna be checking in on this one.
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Re: ATL#7 Monotub Fruiting [Re: trophycase]
#15539627 - 12/19/11 12:16 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: ATL#7 Monotub Fruiting [Re: gus330]
#15539656 - 12/19/11 12:25 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Until Stonesun chimes in...he's obviously the one you want to hear it from...
I'm under the impression that they benefit (possibly require) a thin casing layer (1/4 in of cactus soil is what he uses i think)to stimulate spore-bearing fruit (mushrooms). I don't believe StoneSun even consolidates or allows it to run through the casing layer. Just cases and immediately puts into fruiting conditions. Consolidating and/or skipping the casing would probably lead to more sclerotia production if proper moisture levels are sustained. Only one way to find out...try...or ask StoneSun .
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Quote:
Dr.Boomstik said: Until Stonesun chimes in...he's obviously the one you want to hear it from...
I'm under the impression that they benefit (possibly require) a thin casing layer (1/4 in of cactus soil is what he uses i think)to stimulate spore-bearing fruit (mushrooms). I don't believe StoneSun even consolidates or allows it to run through the casing layer. Just cases and immediately puts into fruiting conditions. Consolidating and/or skipping the casing would probably lead to more sclerotia production if proper moisture levels are sustained. Only one way to find out...try...or ask StoneSun .
Good points. Stonesun is the man.
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Re: ATL#7 Monotub Fruiting [Re: Wing]
#15539802 - 12/19/11 01:04 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've been debating trying ATL#7 out ever since I read the easier then cubes post. Your sub looks awesome man
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Re: ATL#7 Monotub Fruiting [Re: amungus]
#15539822 - 12/19/11 01:11 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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ATL#7 will require a casing layer to get fruits.
I just got done trying to fruit some & failed. I don't know if it was the conditions or the substrate (coir+verm). Casing was done right & everything. But I did harvest around 20 oz. of stones from the tub.
Here's a link to one of SS's grows: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11665059/fpart/1/vc/1
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Wing
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I am definitely going to use a casing layer and I'm planning on jiffy mix. Manure would have helped as its always good but I'm trying for a simple bulk substrate that works.
TL - Any pointers you gained while trying coir+verm? How long before you ended up harvesting the stones?
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Re: ATL#7 Monotub Fruiting [Re: Wing]
#15540249 - 12/19/11 02:46 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm not using coir+verm anymore, that's what I learned. I'll probably toss in a couple of quarts of manure next time. I had 3 jars from a previous grow that were on their second flush of stones. So I tossed those 3 rye jars in w/ 6 other WBS jars that were fully colonized (a couple already producing stones). I wanted a good 45 days before harvesting & scrapping the project. I needed the tub & the room, anyways. Besides, now I have some nice chocolate gooey trippin' gifts to give to some friends.
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Re: ATL#7 Monotub Fruiting [Re: Wing]
#15540319 - 12/19/11 03:01 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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What my friend TL said. You need a very thin casing layer. 50/50 +lime works best. Prepare to be patient though. Sclerotia forming species are not difficult but they are a bit trickier to fruit. Here is one of my trays. Nothing like SS trays though
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Re: ATL#7 Monotub Fruiting [Re: Wing] 2
#15540395 - 12/19/11 03:18 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have had P. galindoi pinning on manure based substrate before without a casing layer, so it isn't required but you should definitely have one if you want good results. I don't consolidate my substrate, it goes to fruiting immediately after casing. I like to introduce fruiting conditions as soon as possible because it seems to help fruit production. IME if I wait too long after full colonization of the substrate it will produce mostly stones and fruiting will be poor. On a side note, I also think that P. galindoi should fruit fine without manure (on coir based substrates) but I can't confirm it. I have fruited P. mexicana before on supplemented coir with great results.
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Re: ATL#7 Monotub Fruiting [Re: stonesun] 1
#15540408 - 12/19/11 03:20 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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stonesun said: On a side note, I also think that P. galindoi should fruit fine without manure (on coir based substrates) but I can't confirm it.
Pics I have posted above are ATL7 on coir/verm/coffee/gypsum
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Re: ATL#7 Monotub Fruiting [Re: stonesun]
#15540412 - 12/19/11 03:22 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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SS - as always, you're the man
& in no way am I giving up. I'm going to try again till I got some p. galindoi prints!
LM - that's what I was thinking, too. Probably 2 quarts of coffee.
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Wing
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Re: ATL#7 Monotub Fruiting [Re: LeopardMan]
#15540476 - 12/19/11 03:37 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm hoping I can get it to fruit. Wish me luck!
I'll be fruiting it in a few days. I'll be using jiffy as casing like I said above. I made a monotub specifically for this.
4 1" holes at substrate level on each long side 2 1" holes at substrate level on each short side 1 1" hole higher up on each short side
14 holes to provide plenty of FAE
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Wing
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Re: ATL#7 Monotub Fruiting [Re: Wing]
#15540518 - 12/19/11 03:46 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks SS for the info. I plan to enter fruiting as soon as it's ready. Thanks LM for the proof it can work, and TL for the trial and error.
@LM & @TL - Do you think the lack of manure made it harder for you? My idea was to go manure-less so that if I failed at getting fruits then I could at the least eat manure free stones.
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Re: ATL#7 Monotub Fruiting [Re: Wing]
#15540538 - 12/19/11 03:50 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just don't know what went wrong w/ mine. I think next time, I'll add coffee grounds & if that doesn't work, I'll go to manure
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I'm gonna pull up and watch this one..
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