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Dutch government delays ban on weed for tourists
    #15531407 - 12/17/11 04:10 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Dutch government delays ban on weed for tourists
December 15, 2011 - Associated Press

The Dutch government says it is delaying plans to ban tourists from buying marijuana until at least May 2012.

Under the country's famed tolerance policy, marijuana is technically illegal but police don't prosecute people for possession of small amounts and it is sold openly in cafes.

The conservative Cabinet is introducing a "weed pass" system only open to legal residents of the Netherlands.

Justice Minister Ivo Opstelten said Thursday a test rollout in southern cities will be delayed until May because of practical difficulties. The cities support the plan, hoping it will solve problems caused by German and Belgians who drive across the border just to buy the drug.

Opstelten said the system will be applied nationwide in 2013, despite objections from Amsterdam.

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Re: Dutch government delays ban on weed for tourists [Re: veggie]
    #15531428 - 12/17/11 04:14 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Sad news that the Dutch is banning everyone else from their coffee shops... I'm glad it's being postponed though, I have a friend I want to take to Amsterdam who hasn't been yet.

The whole ban is pretty foolish in my opinion... They make a lot of money from the tourists in the coffee shops.

:shrug: their loss.


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Re: Dutch government delays ban on weed for tourists [Re: DrGreenThumb865]
    #15531640 - 12/17/11 05:18 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Yah but a lot of tourists get waaaaaay to fucked up and cause trouble or pass out in the cafes.


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Re: Dutch government delays ban on weed for tourists [Re: Rewindicus]
    #15531728 - 12/17/11 05:44 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

"problems caused by German and Belgians who drive across the border just to buy the drug"

I cant see what the problem is?

I would imagine they'll lose a lot of tourism. I haven't been, but i cant imagine any other reason why i'd want to visit. I do fancy trying those salted herrings they do though.


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Re: Dutch government delays ban on weed for tourists [Re: ChocolateMan]
    #15532623 - 12/17/11 09:27 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I wonder what kind of problems this will cause for the Cannabis Cup...
Not the postponement, but once the ban takes affect.
Although this is temporary good news. Everyone better get there while they can.

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Re: Dutch government delays ban on weed for tourists [Re: ElVatoFirme]
    #15532834 - 12/17/11 10:27 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Because it makes total sense to turn away a large percentage of tourists over some weed. Here I thought the Dutch govt was above this kinda stuff.

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Re: Dutch government delays ban on weed for tourists [Re: sk8ordude]
    #15533141 - 12/17/11 11:56 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, for their gov't it sounds good on paper.  But when the numbers actually come in this non-sense will not hold up at all.  Even with sturdy enforcement, It will be sold to whoever,whereever, probably at a higher prices because of law/risks ect...It doesn't matter, struggling bussiness people in that industry that profit from it in anyway, will do what they have to do to survive, resulting in alot of dissent overall with the new law.


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Re: Dutch government delays ban on weed for tourists [Re: Grungeman17]
    #15533592 - 12/18/11 04:32 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

One day people will understand that passing and enforcing such laws only shifts the problem to someplace else.
If you don't go after street dealers, drug tourists will buy from them.
If you go after street dealers, you will waste a lot of money on law enforcement while simultaneously harming the tourist industry.

Dutch conservatives are such dumbasses. :facepalm:


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Re: Dutch government delays ban on weed for tourists [Re: Lord_McLovin]
    #15534190 - 12/18/11 09:57 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

By the time they can do this, the politicians who support it will be voted out of office.

Time is our friend here ~

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Re: Dutch government delays ban on weed for tourists [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
    #15534575 - 12/18/11 11:40 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

more drugs are sold on the streets in amsterdam then in those over priced coffee shops.

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Re: Dutch government delays ban on weed for tourists [Re: P-O]
    #15535063 - 12/18/11 01:53 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Glad I went there when I could nine years ago.  I've been wanting to revisit ever since, but can never find someone to go with me.  Hard to find people with the time, money and interest.  :sad:

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Re: Dutch government delays ban on weed for tourists [Re: Rewindicus]
    #15535949 - 12/18/11 05:00 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Rewindicus said:
Yah but a lot of tourists get waaaaaay to fucked up and cause trouble or pass out in the cafes.




That's what the politicians say, but not the owners of the coffee-shops.


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Re: Dutch government delays ban on weed for tourists [Re: ChocolateMan]
    #15538308 - 12/19/11 05:00 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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ChocolateMan said:
"problems caused by German and Belgians who drive across the border just to buy the drug"

I cant see what the problem is?




There's a couple of problems associated with these 'pot visitors' from neighboring countries, ranging from annoyances to pretty serious issues. For example:
- Lots of parking problems/traffic jams in weekends in the areas of coffee shops in cities close to the border. Don't try counting Belgian number plates near coffee shops in the southern towns - you need a serious computing system to keep tally of them. Some people, especially those who live nearby, obviously find this annoying.
- Neighboring countries, of course, don't have quite as lenient drug policies as The Netherlands. This, combined with the cannabis tourism, leads to permanent political and diplomatic pressure from Germany, Belgium, France and of course the US (not a neighboring country obviously, but you gotta hand it to the US to stick their obese noses into everyone else's beeswax).
- Associated with the 'not-so-illegal' pot tourism (i.e. Belgians driving to the nearest Dutch town to buy their 5 grams of weed) is the not so nice practice of so-called 'drugs runners'. These are small-time criminals who use (mostly) stolen cars to harass foreigners (in particular the French) on Dutch highways. Using aggressive and risky driving techniques, they try to stop foreign cars and force the passengers to buy their drugs.

These are the main issues that are usually being associated with border-zone drug tourism. However, it remains to be seen to what extent these issues will be resolved by keeping foreigners out of Dutch cannabis cafes. It's likely that the now quasi-legal trade will be partly replaced by much harder to control illegal trade. I think the net societal value of this plan is negative. However, I can see how there will be a net positive effect for The Netherlands. Cannabis tourism in border towns only comes to the benefit of cannabis cafe owners and illegal growers (who are usually associated with/part of larger criminal organizations), while the costs are borne by the Dutch society.

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Re: Dutch government delays ban on weed for tourists [Re: veggie]
    #15539919 - 12/19/11 01:30 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

looks like I'll be including a stop on my trip to Germany, Switzerland, Austria and The Czech next year....I better hit this spot up for what it's worth while I still can.

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Re: Dutch government delays ban on weed for tourists [Re: P-O]
    #15539937 - 12/19/11 01:34 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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PostiveOutlook said:
more drugs are sold on the streets in amsterdam then in those over priced coffee shops.



The only reason Id think Id go to the coffee shops is to vape out of volcanos, smoke diffused glass on glass bongs Id never be able to afford and eat ganja treats...
That's the appeal right?

If I just wanted cannabis Id walk into the other room.

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Re: Dutch government delays ban on weed for tourists [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #15539993 - 12/19/11 01:43 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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MisterMuscaria said:
Quote:

PostiveOutlook said:
more drugs are sold on the streets in amsterdam then in those over priced coffee shops.



The only reason Id think Id go to the coffee shops is to vape out of volcanos, smoke diffused glass on glass bongs Id never be able to afford and eat ganja treats...
That's the appeal right?

If I just wanted cannabis Id walk into the other room.




pfffffffft

The appeal is being in a cannabis wonderland :rolleyes:

There is nothing like the feeling of being able to go into a public cafe, order a cappuccino and 3.5 grams of powerplant, taking these items outside to a table on the street, rolling up a joint, and enjoying. As you sit taking those first few puffs, you start thinking; so this is how it should be, huh?

Fuck the gadgets and wizardry (though I have a volcano and love it as well :wink: ). Its about the incredible social atmosphere, and how it feels to feel like your behavior is acceptable; when you already know that it should be that acceptable, at least, in the first place.

Have you ever opened a menu at a store that sells cannabis? Talked about varieties with knowledgeable staff? These experiences are priceless~

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Re: Dutch government delays ban on weed for tourists [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
    #15540005 - 12/19/11 01:46 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

The above post is ALSO exactly why the feds wanted to make it illegal for US citizens to break US law outside of our countries borders; they want us to be as sheltered as possible :sad:


*Come back home as enlightened as possible MisterMuscaria (and go to Lugano while you are in Switzerland, you will not regret that decision)


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Re: Dutch government delays ban on weed for tourists [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
    #15543558 - 12/20/11 02:52 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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LongStrangeTrip said:

The appeal is being in a cannabis wonderland :rolleyes:

There is nothing like the feeling of being able to go into a public cafe, order a cappuccino and 3.5 grams of powerplant, taking these items outside to a table on the street, rolling up a joint, and enjoying. As you sit taking those first few puffs, you start thinking; so this is how it should be, huh?

Fuck the gadgets and wizardry (though I have a volcano and love it as well :wink: ). Its about the incredible social atmosphere, and how it feels to feel like your behavior is acceptable; when you already know that it should be that acceptable, at least, in the first place.

Have you ever opened a menu at a store that sells cannabis? Talked about varieties with knowledgeable staff? These experiences are priceless~

:peace::gd_icon:



This is so true.  To those who've never been there, I urge you to do whatever it take to make it happen.  It is one of the most unique experiences to be had.

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Re: Dutch government delays ban on weed for tourists [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
    #15543807 - 12/20/11 05:05 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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MisterMuscaria said:
The only reason Id think Id go to the coffee shops is to vape out of volcanos, smoke diffused glass on glass bongs Id never be able to afford and eat ganja treats...
That's the appeal right?





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LongStrangeTrip said:
There is nothing like the feeling of being able to go into a public cafe, order a cappuccino and 3.5 grams of powerplant, taking these items outside to a table on the street, rolling up a joint, and enjoying. As you sit taking those first few puffs, you start thinking; so this is how it should be, huh?




I like your romantic views, but the majority of the coffee shops are seedy little bars with maybe a pool table, some old couches, tables and a tv where 99% of the clientele only walks in to get their pot and then immediately walks out again.

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Re: Dutch government delays ban on weed for tourists [Re: koraks]
    #15544719 - 12/20/11 11:14 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Not for me Koraks, though I certainly saw a few shady bars. The Doors Bar for some reason was super shady....was not even a bar to buy weed from, just a burly bald man with a bag full of weed :shrug:

In all honesty, it does not take a lot to make a stoner happy :grin:


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