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OfflineMurex
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To be.......or not to be?
    #1553015 - 05/16/03 02:09 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)


.....That iz the question.

We have egos for a reason. Wouldn't you want to keep it? If we all rejoin and become one, there would be nothing happening to experience. Nothing to explore.

God seperated it's contiousness for a reason don't you think?


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?



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Re: To be.......or not to be? [Re: Murex]
    #1553048 - 05/16/03 02:23 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,

than are dreamt of in your philosophy.


- William Shakespeare.... Hamlet.



Losing your individuality... I shudder to think of that possibility... I refuse to believe it.

Being all one and the same? That would be like saying: " Everything tastes alike. "



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Dei Gratia de integro,

Veni Vidi Vici:

In Nomine Domini..



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Re: To be.......or not to be? [Re: Deiymiyan]
    #1553094 - 05/16/03 02:37 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

monism vs. pluralism?



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The ultimate meaning of our being can only be fulfilled in the paradoxical leap beyond the tragic-demonic frustration. It is a leap from our side, but it is the self-surrendering presence of the Ground of Being from the other side.
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Re: To be.......or not to be? [Re: Malachi]
    #1553124 - 05/16/03 02:49 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I've never encountered those words before...  I looked them up...


Interesting....  I'd say parts of both.... 


Distinct groups within a unified system.


:grin:

 


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Re: To be.......or not to be? [Re: Deiymiyan]
    #1553166 - 05/16/03 03:08 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I suppose this applies just to the others here who believe God is not seperate than us. Maybe I'm using the word 'God' wrongly then. I donno.

  :crazy:


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Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
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Re: To be.......or not to be? [Re: Murex]
    #1555597 - 05/17/03 03:33 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

man holy shit I was thinking about this quote a few nights ago and realized that it could mean "to go on living, or to kill myself; that is the question."

heh I just thought it was interesting that I was thinking of this just recently and then I saw a thread about that quote :smile: "Synchronicity," is that what it's called?


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Re: To be.......or not to be? [Re: Murex]
    #1556246 - 05/17/03 03:22 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I do agree that we have egos for a reason.. and that we should keep them for the time being.. but I don't agree that if we all become one there would be nothing left to learn and explore. Far from it! We would have many surprises in store...much more to learn...Just another lesson in evolution.

God separated its consciousness to learn from every angle at once. To constantly perceive its reality in every way possible in order to learn how to improve it. Every living thing in the Universe contributes to this great learning. We have egos so that we can learn to work with them, not against them. Only then can we be one.


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Re: To be.......or not to be? [Re: Shroomism]
    #1556255 - 05/17/03 03:35 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)


I believe you have a choice to iether merge with a 'larger soul', or stay as yourself. Of course it's not a choice you have to make right away either. It could be a tempting experience merging with a larger soul thow.


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Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?



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Re: To be.......or not to be? [Re: Murex]
    #1556360 - 05/17/03 04:43 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

You seem to have equated oneness with nothingness...
consider this... perhaps if nothing other than "the one" existed, there would be no need to explore anything... no need to find gratification through discovery...perhaps "the one" would be completely satisfied in a way that our unfulfilled minds cannot even begin to comprehend.

I feel like breaking into a song :-D "u may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one, perhaps someday u will join us and the world will live as one..." (yes I realize that's a bit out of context, but I jus love that song :-)


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Re: To be.......or not to be? [Re: lucid]
    #1556411 - 05/17/03 05:21 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

i'm not going anywhere that's boring.


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Re: To be.......or not to be? [Re: lucid]
    #1556889 - 05/17/03 11:12 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

You seem to have equated oneness with nothingness...

That's not what I meant. Joining another soul and loosing your ego to something forign to you is a scary thing to do if you think about it. You could have melded with a demonic soul that has tricked you......the only thing you have to help you, is that your 'goodness' will change the mean-spirited spirit.

I'm sure most instances would be pleasurable, but you loose your whole grasp on yourself and you essentially no longer exist.


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Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?



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Re: To be.......or not to be? [Re: Murex]
    #1557333 - 05/18/03 04:33 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

I'm sure most instances would be pleasurable, but you loose your whole grasp on yourself and you essentially no longer exist.




How can you speculate on how it would feel to do something you don't even know exists for sure?

Maybe God (if he exists) sent out parts of his consciousness as effort to gain experience. In another thread I brought up the possibility (because that is all anything is) that God started the universe as an experiment. Maybe he is injecting his consciousness into us as to not miss any moment of our existence. What better way to know every variable in an experiment.

But really this all for fun because we'll likely never know if we understand or not.


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Re: To be.......or not to be? [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #1558117 - 05/18/03 06:11 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

How can you speculate on how it would feel to do something you don't even know exists for sure?

It's a theroy. I'm exploring my theroy further and doing the math to see if it fits on the 'possability/probability scale'. I just go by my experiences and my theroies, add a little logical thinking and some scientific facts, then there ya go.

All I know is that I don't know.


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?



Edited by Murex (05/18/03 06:13 PM)


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Re: To be.......or not to be? [Re: Murex]
    #1560012 - 05/19/03 02:31 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

It's a theroy. I'm exploring my theroy further and doing the math to see if it fits on the 'possability/probability scale'. I just go by my experiences and my theroies, add a little logical thinking and some scientific facts, then there ya go.


Hey what'dya know... that's how I do it to.  :laugh: 

I believe you have a choice to iether merge with a 'larger soul', or stay as yourself. Of course it's not a choice you have to make right away either. It could be a tempting experience merging with a larger soul thow.

I agree fullheartedly. There is a choice. Merge into one, or continue on the individual path of evolution. That is always the choice after life.


Edited by Shroomism (05/19/03 02:33 PM)


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Re: To be.......or not to be? [Re: Murex]
    #4840918 - 10/23/05 12:28 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

The answer is easy...


its and.. :P


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Re: To be.......or not to be? [Re: Murex]
    #4841192 - 10/23/05 01:55 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

2CB or not 2CB?


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Re: To be.......or not to be? [Re: Swami]
    #4842007 - 10/23/05 06:01 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Strumpling said:
man holy shit I was thinking about this quote a few nights ago and realized that it could mean "to go on living, or to kill myself; that is the question."




um, yeah, that was the original context. That is the opening line to Hamlets monologue when he's comtemplating suicide...

but anyways...

Yes, the reason that we feel the urge to explore is to MAKE that connection with our "higher-self" (merge with oneness, etc). If we are one there will be completeness and fullfilment.

The fear of that union, and the loss of self, is simply an illusion OF the self. There is no reason to fear it.

But what is the reason why the ego exists? ... I guess that's one of those things we won't know until the end. Some might say that there is no "reason" and that it "just is". I like this idea.


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Re: To be.......or not to be? [Re: dr0mni]
    #4846019 - 10/24/05 04:32 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

"But what is the reason why the ego exists? ... I guess that's one of those things we won't know until the end. Some might say that there is no "reason" and that it "just is". I like this idea."

Yes, I think it really is as easy as that: The reason is the meaning. And the meaning is existence itself, even for the ego.

Who else could say "WOW!" ?


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