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Get a Medical Marijuana Card, Lose Your Second Amendment Rights
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http://reason.com/archives/2011/12/16/get-a-medical-marijuana-card-lose-your-s/1
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives wants to prohibit patients from protecting themselves.
Brian Doherty | December 16, 2011
If you are a medical marijuana patient in one of the 16 states (plus the District of Columbia) that allow for it, you’ve got reason to believe lately that the government has it in for you.
You’ve got federal raids on the places where you can conveniently buy your medicine, the governor of Arizona trying to overturn in court her citizens’ choice to institute a medical marijuana system, and Michigan’s attorney general trying to make life as hard as he can for those using the system his state’s voters approved by 63 percent in 2008. And while it isn’t directly the government’s fault, doctors are taking people off liver transplant waiting lists for using medical pot.
It isn’t just that the government on both the federal and state level doesn’t want you to be able to legally and conveniently obtain your medicine, if that medicine is pot. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) insists you inherently lose a key constitutional right merely by letting your state know you might want to take pot medicinally.
Merely having a state medical marijuana card, BATFE insists, means that you fall afoul of Sect. 922(g) of the federal criminal code (from the 1968 federal Gun Control Act), which says that anyone “who is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance” is basically barred from possessing or receiving guns or ammo (with the bogus assertion that such possession implicates interstate commerce, which courts will pretty much always claim it does).
Nevada licenses medical pot users. Rowan Wilson, a Carson City-area woman who works as a medical technician in residential care homes, believes pot might be useful for her painful menstrual cramps. After going through a seven-month process to obtain a medical marijuana card, she attempted in October to purchase a gun from a gun dealer, Fred Hauseur, who was also a personal acquaintance.
The Form 4473 that the BATFE requires every gun purchaser to fill out asks, “Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana…or any other controlled substance?” Wilson, not considering herself an unlawful user or addict but aware, as she says in a deposition in the case, that BATFE “has set down a policy whereby it is presumed that any person holding a medical marijuana registry card is automatically considered an unlawful user of, or addicted to marijuana ” left that line blank.
Hauseur, the dealer from whom Wilson was trying to buy a Smith & Wesson .357 Magnum, knew Wilson, and knew she was a card holder. He also knew about the contents of a September 2011 memo sent out by BATFE to federally licensed gun dealers.
The memo says that “there are no exceptions in federal law for marijuana purportedly used for medicinal purposes, even if such use is sanctioned by State law…any person who uses…regardless of whether his or her state has passed legislation authorizing marijuana for medicinal purposes, is an unlawful user…and is prohibited by Federal law from possessing firearms of ammunition…..if you are aware that the potential transferee is in possession of a card authorizing the possession and use of marijuana under State law, then you…may not transfer firearms or ammunition to the person.” And indeed, Hauseur did not.
Wilson thinks that this BATFE policy violates her Second Amendment rights. With the help of Nevada lawyer Chaz Rainey of Rainey Devine, she filed suit in October in federal district court in Nevada against Department of Justice chief Eric Holder, the BATFE, and its acting director and assistant director.
As the suit says, “Ms. Wilson has never been charged with or convicted of any drug-related offense, or any criminal offense….Indeed, no evidence exists that Ms. Wilson has ever been 'an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana….’ Ms. Wilson maintains that she is not an unlawful user of or addiction to marijuana….Nonetheless, Ms. Wilson was denied her Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms based solely on her possession of a valid State of Nevada medical marijuana registry card.” The suit argues the BATFE policy also violated her Fifth Amendment right to due process since it presumes she is a prohibited drug user arbitrarily.
The federal government is expected to file a reply before the end of the year, and Wilson’s lawyer Rainey says he hopes the Feds “don’t engage in long drawn-out lengthy discovery process, deposing everyone involved.” Rainey notes a case intersecting guns and drugs could roll either way—a pro-Second Amendment judge could be uncomfortable with the marijuana part, and a pro-medical marijuana judge uncomfortable with the gun part.
Rainey doesn’t have experience in the gun law field, but he has some civil rights experience and has found other lawyers and activists in the Second Amendment field helpful in thinking the case through (although most of the bigger gun rights organizations don’t like touching this pot-related case). Wilson had trouble finding a lawyer excited about the case—“some lawyers didn’t want to touch a cannabis case, period.” She finds the existence of any state registry of marijuana users troublesome on general medical privacy grounds. One of her reasons for shouldering the burden of plaintiff is that patients she encounters in her elderly care field are afraid to get a medical card and use pot because of the extra problems that arise—like losing gun possession rights.
While the BATFE has not yet announced any concerted program to go after people who may have had legally purchased weapons before getting a marijuana card, Morgan Fox of the Marijuana Policy Project says that it’s common practice in medical marijuana-related busts that “if weapons are present, there will be gun charges added on as well.”
Rainey expects the results of the initial trial to be appealed whoever wins, and is prepared to take it all the way to the Supreme Court. (Montana’s Attorney General Steve Bullock has informed the BATFE that he thinks the policy oversteps federal bounds.)
As Independence Institute gun rights scholar David Kopel explains, some lower courts have decided that while the legal prohibition on felons owning handguns is not inherently unreasonable or unconstitutional, the application of that law to felons of certain types—say, nonviolent ones in the distant past—isn’t always reasonable. While the Wilson case as filed is challenging the very constitutionality of classifying drug users as outside the pale of the Second Amendment, Rainey is also prepared, he says, to argue more narrowly that it is unreasonable to apply that category specifically to Wilson merely on the basis of her possessing the marijuana card.
"Taking it to the Supreme Court” isn’t just outrageous hubris on Rainey’s part. Since the 2008 Heller case and the 2010 McDonald case, the Supreme Court has opened up a new world of Second Amendment jurisprudence. Now we know that handgun possession in the home is a protected right. But the legality of other government gun regulations remains uncharted territory. In his Heller opinion, Justice Antonin Scalia made it explicit: ““The Second Amendment right is not unlimited.... The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.”
Many, many cases trying to set those new parameters are moving through the courts, slowly. As Alan Gura, the star Second Amendment lawyer who won both Heller and McDonald says, we need to wait to see where the Second Amendment is going. “We’re just waiting for decisions in District Courts—in some cases, waiting for a very long time now. These things take a lot longer to get resolved than people would like.... I disagree with those who say that the Court is done for a while with the Second Amendment. I have no idea which case they'll take next, but the issue is not going away.”
One very good district court decision came out this summer, also thanks to Gura. In Ezell v. Chicago, he challenged the city's ban on gun ranges. According to Chicago, a legal weapon permit holder needed to have a signed affidavit from a firearms instructor affirming that he or she completed a training course, including at least one hour of gun range training. Yet the city simultaneously banned gun ranges within city limits. The Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals overturned the range ban, and began laying out a complicated set of review standards for the Second Amendment that largely map existing First Amendment doctrine, where “a severe burden on the core Second Amendment right of armed self-defense will require an extremely strong public-interest justification and a close fit between the government’s means and its end.” That leaves plenty of room for, well, judgment on the part of judges. The fate of any given challenge to gun regulations short of handgun bans can’t be predicted precisely until we see more federal district court decisions and eventual Supreme Court rulings.
One case already waiting at the Supreme Court for a decision about certiorari, however, has staked out the same territory as Wilson’s suit: the area between the Second Amendment and a state’s medical marijuana licensing system.
The case is Winters v. Willis, out of Oregon. It involves two consolidated cases in which Oregon sheriffs tried to deny a state concealed carry permit for weapons to citizens because they had Oregon medical marijuana cards, even though state law would otherwise compel issuance of the permit.
The Oregon Supreme Court agreed with the citizens (as did all the lower courts) that the sheriffs had no good reason to deny the carry permit, even if the possession of the marijuana card might, as the sheriffs insisted, mean that the permitted citizens would fall afoul of federal gun possession law, being (presumptively) drug users.
As the Oregon Supreme Court’s May decision read in part:
it appears that the sheriffs also wish to enforce the federal policy of keeping guns out of the hands of marijuana users by using the state licensing mechanism to deny CHLs [concealed handgun licenses] to medical marijuana users. The problem that the sheriffs have encountered is that Congress has not enacted a law requiring license denial as a means of enforcing the policy that underlies the federal law, and the state has adopted a licensing statute that manifests a policy decision not to use its gun licensing mechanism for that purpose: State law requires sheriffs to issue concealed gun licenses without regard to whether the applicants use medical marijuana.
The sheriffs have appealed the case to the Supreme Court, which has not yet decided on whether to hear it, but the very fact the Court asked for reply briefs from both parties means the Court “at least thinks something is worth looking into there,” says Kopel. While the Wilson suit in Nevada and this Oregon case both involve medical marijuana and guns, they don’t address the same issues. Wilson’s is a straight Second Amendment rights case involving how decisions are properly made as to when a citizen falls under one of the prohibited categories in Sect. 922; the Oregon case involves whether federal gun law properly pre-empts a state licensing scheme. The Oregon Supreme Court thought that the federal law’s purpose regarding possession of firearms had no direct effect on the state law, which merely involved the concealment of firearms.
Even if the Supreme Court takes up Winters v. Willis and decides that the sheriffs can deny the CHLs, that would not settle whether denying gun possession rights to someone strictly for having a state medical marijuana card stands up to Second Amendment scrutiny. As Rainey sees it, “it’s only good for us if Winters goes before the Supreme Court, regardless of the outcome” since a Winters loss for medical marijuana card holders would not necessarily guarantee a Wilson loss. One possible connection from this non-lawyer's perspective: Just as the Oregon CHL does not mean that you are in possession of a gun, a Nevada medical marijuana card does not mean you are using marijuana.
Second Amendment scholar Eugene Volokh of UCLA says regarding Wilson's case that “barring everyone from selling a weapon to her because she has a card denies her her Second Amendment rights without actually showing she is an illegal user. That is a plausible claim, but as to whether the Court will buy it, I’m not at all sure. Courts have been open to some Second Amendment claims but obviously they’ve been skeptical of most, so it’s not clear to me how it will come out. But it is a credible claim. What remedy she might get, I assume, will be [not overturning the prohibition entirely but] a declaratory judgment that she is entitled to get a gun so long as there is no other evidence she is a marijuana user.”
Kopel has enough doubts about the way courts react to cases that involve drugs that he isn’t confident her case will succeed on Second Amendment merits. He offers instead that “the ideal solution would be, have a president who keeps his campaign promises. If Obama were keeping his campaign promises in the first place, he could have had his BATFE not write this new policy statement, and it is within their discretion to say that we interpret ‘unlawful user’ to not cover someone regulated and lawful under state law. But the Barack Obama who ran such a good campaign for president was apparently kidnapped and replaced with a body double who is a drug war nut.”
Senior Editor Brian Doherty is author of This is Burning Man (BenBella), Radicals for Capitalism (PublicAffairs), and Gun Control on Trial (Cato Institute).
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Re: Get a Medical Marijuana Card, Lose Your Second Amendment Rights [Re: Invisible_Woe]
#15527669 - 12/16/11 07:07 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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Its sad what they do to those people that need it most.
I wonder just how dependent our system is on the prohibition of cannabis, sometimes it seems like it must be more then just big pharma and various levels of the healthcare industry as a whole,the industries that have replaced hemp, the industrial prison complex and those who work to feed it, the DEA, and big alcohol. Even with all that, for all of these governments to put so much effort and even turn on its own people for what is one of the closest things we have to a miricle drug, well its suspect.
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Re: Get a Medical Marijuana Card, Lose Your Second Amendment Rights [Re: sk8ordude]
#15527826 - 12/16/11 07:42 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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you fall afoul of Sect. 922(g) of the federal criminal code (from the 1968 federal Gun Control Act), which says that anyone “who is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance” is basically barred from possessing or receiving guns or ammo
how many people that own guns are on opiates or other addictive controlled medicines? if MMJ users are prohibited from owning guns they should be too.
what use is state law if some dickheads in DC can, with a wave of a pen, negate any and all laws they want? wasnt a centrally controlled govt one of the things they tried to avoid when setting up state sovereignty?
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Re: Get a Medical Marijuana Card, Lose Your Second Amendment Rights [Re: Invisible_Woe]
#15527840 - 12/16/11 07:46 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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this has been a subject of much talk on some gun sites I'm a member of.
most are in agreement that this kinda thing will go from MMJ today to people who have to have certain pain killer or narcotic prescriptions. and that doctors will be asking patients if they own firearms.
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Re: Get a Medical Marijuana Card, Lose Your Second Amendment Rights [Re: joe666]
#15529131 - 12/17/11 03:06 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm definitely pro medical marijuana, but I can definitely see the issue here.
I'm actually (and bizarrely) finding myself on the side of the government in this issue.
The pro-medical marijuana people love to show videos of dying aids patients and people with terminal diseases like cancer. But I'd say that a very large portion of these patients smoke marijuana because they like marijuana. it's a poorly kept secret that most growers tend to sell some of their product on the black market, smoke their herb with people who don't have their card, etc. Not only that, many people who smoke marijuana are poly drug users, and in general may be more unstable than the average joe.
So in conclusion, I don't agree with medical MJ patients losing their second amendment rights, but I can certainly see why it is cause for concern to law enforcement. Perhaps they will be able to find some middle ground.
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Re: Get a Medical Marijuana Card, Lose Your Second Amendment Rights [Re: NWlight]
#15529737 - 12/17/11 09:07 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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>>doctors are taking people off liver transplant waiting lists for using medical pot.
How in the fuck does that work? I'd really really like to see their reasoning for this.. Yeah, marijuana causes liver toxicity. *roll eyes* Even the most ignorant of the ignorant know that's a lie.
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Re: Get a Medical Marijuana Card, Lose Your Second Amendment Rights [Re: NWlight]
#15529742 - 12/17/11 09:09 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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They aren't doing this with other medications, there are a number of over the counter sleep aids that present just as much of a "safety issue". And what about recreational alcohol users or one third of the ATF? Everyday somebody gets killed with a gun by a drunk, and yet they focus on one specific medicine. Its total BS, and just like every other faucet of the war on drugs its main purpose is the erosion of rights, and this little encroachment is just another precedent being set in that direction, playing off of propaganda that has no basis in science.
What, will cannabis users not be able to have a drivers license next? What about the right to vote, or have a job, or own property, what about whats left of the bill of rights?
It like a new set of Jim Crow laws targeting freethinking sick people.
There are few things scarier then a government that wants its peoples guns.
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Re: Get a Medical Marijuana Card, Lose Your Second Amendment Rights [Re: NWlight]
#15530424 - 12/17/11 12:14 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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NWlight said: I'm definitely pro medical marijuana, but I can definitely see the issue here.
I'm actually (and bizarrely) finding myself on the side of the government in this issue.
The pro-medical marijuana people love to show videos of dying aids patients and people with terminal diseases like cancer. But I'd say that a very large portion of these patients smoke marijuana because they like marijuana. it's a poorly kept secret that most growers tend to sell some of their product on the black market, smoke their herb with people who don't have their card, etc. Not only that, many people who smoke marijuana are poly drug users, and in general may be more unstable than the average joe.
So in conclusion, I don't agree with medical MJ patients losing their second amendment rights, but I can certainly see why it is cause for concern to law enforcement. Perhaps they will be able to find some middle ground.
Flame away.
Basically how I feel as well.
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Re: Get a Medical Marijuana Card, Lose Your Second Amendment Rights [Re: NWlight]
#15531327 - 12/17/11 03:50 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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NWlight said: I'm definitely pro medical marijuana, but I can definitely see the issue here.
I'm actually (and bizarrely) finding myself on the side of the government in this issue.
The pro-medical marijuana people love to show videos of dying aids patients and people with terminal diseases like cancer. But I'd say that a very large portion of these patients smoke marijuana because they like marijuana. it's a poorly kept secret that most growers tend to sell some of their product on the black market, smoke their herb with people who don't have their card, etc. Not only that, many people who smoke marijuana are poly drug users, and in general may be more unstable than the average joe.
So in conclusion, I don't agree with medical MJ patients losing their second amendment rights, but I can certainly see why it is cause for concern to law enforcement. Perhaps they will be able to find some middle ground.
Flame away.
(1) Yes, most med. marijuana patients do not really need the "medicine." The woman in the article got it for cramps, which I think is sort of like your dentist telling you to buy a bottle of whiskey after he gives you a root canal (I'm a guy and have never had really bad cramps, so I guess this is the flame-worthy part of my argument). But we allow people to have firearms even if they are admitted users of alcohol, which is decidedly not even a medicine and also decidedly something that people should not be consuming when they're near firearms. So I don't see this as a real concern for law enforcement regardless of legitimacy of the "medicine" (whether or not it is still legally permissible is another argument though, to be clear). We as a society have decided to allow people to own items that are specifically designed to kill people, and if we're doing that we have to trust that people are smart enough to not abuse those privileges. To do otherwise is just a mess of contradictions.
(2) To speak on the legal issue, I have to agree that the 5th Amendment comes into play here. We only can take rights away from convicted felons because they have gone through the legal system and had certain types of judgments taken away from them. The government cannot just decide to suspend constitutional privileges on such flimsy grounds and without a trial or even a notice when you get your MM card that you lose your 2nd Amendment rights.
Here's an analogous situation. There are several places in the US where alcohol can only be sold in state-run stores. Imagine if you had to forfeit your driver's license if you had ever bought anything at one of those stores. Clearly people shouldn't drink and drive, but the government trusts people to not be stupid and combine those things. We don't take away people's licenses until they get convicted of DUI's because that's not how due process works. Same thing here.
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Re: Get a Medical Marijuana Card, Lose Your Second Amendment Rights [Re: NWlight]
#15532536 - 12/17/11 09:02 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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NWlight said: I'm definitely pro medical marijuana, but I can definitely see the issue here.
I'm actually (and bizarrely) finding myself on the side of the government in this issue.
The pro-medical marijuana people love to show videos of dying aids patients and people with terminal diseases like cancer. But I'd say that a very large portion of these patients smoke marijuana because they like marijuana. it's a poorly kept secret that most growers tend to sell some of their product on the black market, smoke their herb with people who don't have their card, etc. Not only that, many people who smoke marijuana are poly drug users, and in general may be more unstable than the average joe.
So in conclusion, I don't agree with medical MJ patients losing their second amendment rights, but I can certainly see why it is cause for concern to law enforcement. Perhaps they will be able to find some middle ground.
Flame away.
If marijuana caused violent behavior, I would agree. Since it causes the opposite, your argument is ridiculous.
It would make more sense to take away second amendment rights from people who were known to purchase beer.
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Re: Get a Medical Marijuana Card, Lose Your Second Amendment Rights [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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I BLAME XANAX FOR MY POST.
DISAGREE, AGREE, IDGAF 
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Re: Get a Medical Marijuana Card, Lose Your Second Amendment Rights [Re: NWlight]
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NWlight said: I BLAME XANAX FOR MY POST.
DISAGREE, AGREE, IDGAF 
fuck yeah, shroomery.
far out
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Re: Get a Medical Marijuana Card, Lose Your Second Amendment Rights [Re: Invisible_Woe]
#15533449 - 12/18/11 02:11 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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Substance ingestion should have no impact on a person's freedoms. Until a person commits a violent act against another or their property, their freedoms should not be curtailed.
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Re: Get a Medical Marijuana Card, Lose Your Second Amendment Rights [Re: NWlight]
#15533742 - 12/18/11 06:40 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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NWlight said: a very large portion of these patients smoke marijuana because they like marijuana.
Now, we can't have that, can we? Sheer joy? Over my dead body! America was built on guilt, and it better stay that way!
Seriously, though, there are probably too many bigwigs in business and politics who have their stakes in the illegal market, so of course, they'd hate to see their profits go into a legal market. No drugs were ever illegal because they are harmful to people.
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Re: Get a Medical Marijuana Card, Lose Your Second Amendment Rights [Re: Anglerfish]
#15538243 - 12/19/11 03:54 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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NWlight said: a very large portion of these patients smoke marijuana because they like marijuana.
Now, we can't have that, can we? Sheer joy? Over my dead body! America was built on guilt, and it better stay that way!
Seriously, though, there are probably too many bigwigs in business and politics who have their stakes in the illegal market, so of course, they'd hate to see their profits go into a legal market. No drugs were ever illegal because they are harmful to people.
man im totally not against smoking marijuana, getting high, or even enjoying it!! i just think that the pro-marijuana people love to put the suffering old grandma as the poster child when really many of the card holders just enjoy legally smoking weed for a condition they could easily treat with aspirin.
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Re: Get a Medical Marijuana Card, Lose Your Second Amendment Rights [Re: NWlight]
#15538276 - 12/19/11 04:26 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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NWlight said: man im totally not against smoking marijuana, getting high, or even enjoying it!! i just think that the pro-marijuana people love to put the suffering old grandma as the poster child when really many of the card holders just enjoy legally smoking weed for a condition they could easily treat with aspirin.
Yes of course. Who likes getting arrested?
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Re: Get a Medical Marijuana Card, Lose Your Second Amendment Rights [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#15540052 - 12/19/11 01:58 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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NWlight said: man im totally not against smoking marijuana, getting high, or even enjoying it!! i just think that the pro-marijuana people love to put the suffering old grandma as the poster child when really many of the card holders just enjoy legally smoking weed for a condition they could easily treat with aspirin.
Yes of course. Who likes getting arrested?
homeless people who want free food and shelter? 
Idk, I've been so out of it the last few days I'm surprised I stayed in this debate as long as I did.
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Re: Get a Medical Marijuana Card, Lose Your Second Amendment Rights [Re: NWlight]
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NWlight said: Idk, I've been so out of it the last few days I'm surprised I stayed in this debate as long as I did.
Don't even remember this whole thread 
You are not making me want to go out and buy xanax.
Worst xanax salesman ever!!!
Ok maybe not ever. : )
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