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 Can you live with uncertainty? 
#15514027 - 12/14/11 03:45 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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How? Don't we tell ourselves stories and generate beliefs day in and out to give ourselves certainty. Even if we say we don't? Isn't this a basic human need at least on some level?
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Can you live with uncertainty? [Re: Icelander]
#15514038 - 12/14/11 03:49 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well it's either denial or constant uncertainty
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Re: Can you live with uncertainty? [Re: Icelander] 2
#15514039 - 12/14/11 03:50 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Can you live with uncertainty?
Er, um... I'm not sure...
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Re: Can you live with uncertainty? [Re: Endeavor]
#15514040 - 12/14/11 03:50 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Can you live with uncertainty? [Re: Icelander]
#15514043 - 12/14/11 03:51 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have heard that hissyfitting is a great work out! 
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Re: Can you live with uncertainty? [Re: Icelander]
#15514448 - 12/14/11 08:06 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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I do illegal things everyday, so uncertainty is an everyday thing whether it's related too legal trouble or the quality of the drugs im purchasing.
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Re: Can you live with uncertainty? [Re: 4896744]
#15514478 - 12/14/11 08:18 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't mean any minor uncertainty. I mean in a cosmic, what's it all about sense and in a balls out way.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
Edited by Icelander (12/14/11 08:18 AM)
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Re: Can you live with uncertainty? [Re: Icelander]
#15514558 - 12/14/11 08:49 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
How? Don't we tell ourselves stories and generate beliefs day in and out to give ourselves certainty. Even if we say we don't? Isn't this a basic human need at least on some level?
I think I can live with it to an extent. I'm aware of how my default stance to just about anything is to rationalize and justify my actions, but upon deep introspection I become aware of the uncertainty of the events and decisions that make up my life. I think that introspection for many people is frightening because underlying motives and thoughts are revealed, so certainty becomes the goal because it needn't be questioned.
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Re: Can you live with uncertainty? [Re: Icelander]
#15514758 - 12/14/11 10:05 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
How? Don't we tell ourselves stories and generate beliefs day in and out to give ourselves certainty. Even if we say we don't? Isn't this a basic human need at least on some level?
I can certainly live with uncertainty. It is a basic human need to have some kind of certainty, but people who need to be certain of everything end up developing psychological disorders such as OCD or anxiety, so this is a psychological defense mechanism that can be taken too far. The mechanisms we use to deny uncertainty are sometimes so subtle that even we and others around us don't realize they are being used, but if you examine your thoughts and your consciousness in every moment you can realize what is of momentary certainty. We can be sure, in every moment, that there is some consciousness feeling certain or uncertain, that we think of this conscousness as a "self", and that this consciousness is constantly changing and can be directed by such techniques as concentration, self-examination and even breathing. Everything else, even our perceptions, are uncertainties, but not every human being needs to create stories if they can only focus on what is certain in that specific moment rather than focusing on the past, the future, etc.
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Re: Can you live with uncertainty? [Re: Icelander]
#15516097 - 12/14/11 03:17 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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I couldn't live without.
How boring would it be otherwise 
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Re: Can you live with uncertainty? [Re: BlueCoyote]
#15516134 - 12/14/11 03:25 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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There's a way out.
Into happiness, bliss. But it's a full-time position. You don't just soak up rewards, you have to do what you did before but be spontaneous about it.
It works. But for how long? Soon the brain begins to question why it is this way, and the suffering starts again. There is a battle to be fought to remain in this state, but even the battling is spontaneous when you get the hang of it.
We are all drawn back to a source, the life force or whatever, it's the reason we continue. There is no purpose or point to continuing, there is only this force. So long as we are human beings and not omnipotent, omnipresent, we ought to be satisfied with it.
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Re: Can you live with uncertainty? [Re: Icelander]
#15518293 - 12/14/11 10:29 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
I don't mean any minor uncertainty. I mean in a cosmic, what's it all about sense and in a balls out way.
Mysterianism, Possibilianism, Agnosticism -
People who try to accept uncertainty and embrace it are often criticised by society because they offer no clear answers. Most people demand certainty from other people, like from priests, scientists, doctors, etc.
I like to keep my mind open. Ive heard keeping your mind open will lead you to a head full of shit. However I think thats an unintelligent prediction. This would only happen if we actually accepted and believed all of the shit which goes into our head. The better approach (in my opinion) is to leave the shit out of your head but to sample it all. take a shit and put it in your head. See how it smells and looks compared to everything else.
This way you will find the shit which has mushroom spores in it and finally you have all the answers you will ever need ^_^
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Re: Can you live with uncertainty? [Re: Icelander]
#15518458 - 12/14/11 11:21 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
How? Don't we tell ourselves stories and generate beliefs day in and out to give ourselves certainty. Even if we say we don't? Isn't this a basic human need at least on some level?
And what of those who are making the shit up? I think it's just a propensity and not a need. Leader speaks, follower listens. Only one need believe.
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Re: Can you live with uncertainty? [Re: Icelander]
#15518471 - 12/14/11 11:24 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, I do and can live with uncertainty to some degree. But I think I live with uncertainty because I know for certain that I'll die. Weird paradox, that's for sure. 
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Re: Can you live with uncertainty? [Re: Icelander]
#15518564 - 12/14/11 11:51 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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i try to live with neither certainty nor uncertainty
certainty, to me, seems like an erroneous conceptual lens
uncertainty, to me, seems like an erroneous conceptual lens
without fixating on thought, how can there really be either?
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Re: Can you live with uncertainty? [Re: deff]
#15518685 - 12/15/11 12:25 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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thats a bit of a plunge into ignorance brother. Without any concept of certainty or uncertainty, you would have no way of deciding how to manage risk in your life. Sure, humans have a crappy way of calculaing risks vs reward, but its still a way.
I wonder how you manage risks without certainty and uncertainty? Or do you just go with the flow, swimming with sharks like the Grizzly Man?
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Re: Can you live with uncertainty? [Re: Noteworthy]
#15518905 - 12/15/11 01:22 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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hmm... another way to put it might be:
clinging to an answer is certainty
clinging to a question is uncertainty
without clinging, there is peace from the extremes of certainty and uncertainty
things still get done, but at the same time it's like nothing's getting done
i think the discriminating mind can function without consciousness being stuck in the appearance of it's processing, just like water flowing without deciding which course to take. if anything, conscious conceptualizing seems to impede the flow imo.
but ironically enough, to get to a state free of concepts involves a lot of conceptual analysis of concepts, until you begin to see there's never been a concept 
 i admit buddhist logic seems very paradoxical, but if you study it and contemplate it enough it has an incredible wisdom to it imo  (it's like logic to transcend the illusion of there being logic)
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Re: Can you live with uncertainty? [Re: Noteworthy]
#15519129 - 12/15/11 03:40 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Noteworthy said:
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Icelander said:
I don't mean any minor uncertainty. I mean in a cosmic, what's it all about sense and in a balls out way.
Mysterianism, Possibilianism, Agnosticism -
People who try to accept uncertainty and embrace it are often criticised by society because they offer no clear answers. Most people demand certainty from other people, like from priests, scientists, doctors, etc.
I like to keep my mind open. Ive heard keeping your mind open will lead you to a head full of shit. However I think thats an unintelligent prediction. This would only happen if we actually accepted and believed all of the shit which goes into our head. The better approach (in my opinion) is to leave the shit out of your head but to sample it all. take a shit and put it in your head. See how it smells and looks compared to everything else.
This way you will find the shit which has mushroom spores in it and finally you have all the answers you will ever need ^_^
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Can you live with uncertainty? [Re: Icelander]
#15519400 - 12/15/11 07:15 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
Quote:
Noteworthy said:
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Icelander said:
I don't mean any minor uncertainty. I mean in a cosmic, what's it all about sense and in a balls out way.
Mysterianism, Possibilianism, Agnosticism -
People who try to accept uncertainty and embrace it are often criticised by society because they offer no clear answers. Most people demand certainty from other people, like from priests, scientists, doctors, etc.
I like to keep my mind open. Ive heard keeping your mind open will lead you to a head full of shit. However I think thats an unintelligent prediction. This would only happen if we actually accepted and believed all of the shit which goes into our head. The better approach (in my opinion) is to leave the shit out of your head but to sample it all. take a shit and put it in your head. See how it smells and looks compared to everything else.
This way you will find the shit which has mushroom spores in it and finally you have all the answers you will ever need ^_^
Is it better to take a shit
Or to give two shits?
And what about a Hot Carl?
Or two chicks one cup?
I would rather live with the uncertainty
Of what shit tastes like
Rather than eat shit
And maybe die.
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Re: Can you live with uncertainty? [Re: Icelander] 1
#15520624 - 12/15/11 12:29 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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