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recieving $ and shipping annonymously
#15501451 - 12/11/11 07:25 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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im trying to find ways to recieve money safely and anonymously. i am also looking for a safe email provider to do business from.
what are my options? i've heard of people using green dot but i dont know how the hell they do it and i was thinking about western union but i dont know how they would feel about me making large pickups every day.
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: deladude]
#15501562 - 12/11/11 07:46 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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bitcoin for anon money sending and receiving, its a bit complex though and is a bit of a bitch to cash out.
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: kintos]
#15501573 - 12/11/11 07:48 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah i was considering that but its pretty complicated and i dont want it detering people from purchasing from me.
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: deladude]
#15501730 - 12/11/11 08:18 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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get paid electronically threw paypal then transfer to one of those rush cards.Atleast i think it was the rush card. But you would have to use more than one paypal account if you do large amounts because they have limits.
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: Umeltin]
#15501733 - 12/11/11 08:19 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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bitcoins are anonymous but the shitty thing is the value fluctuates a lot and hushmail.com is secure for emailing, i'm assuming you kidding about the sextoy thing lol there's no way you're going to be picking up "large sum of money everyday" selling that shit...
and no you can't drop box overnight mailing. and obviously you want tracking so your receiver's can know that you actually sent it and you provide them with the DCN, and you know if the package got "lost" in the mail.
green dot is simple you can buy them in most gas stations and use paypal to receive the payment (with a green dot number) and then transfer to your bank, there's no fees also.
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: Anonymous #1]
#15501739 - 12/11/11 08:21 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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also western union is not anonymous you need to show ID to pick up so the sender has to send it to your real name
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: Anonymous #1]
#15501810 - 12/11/11 08:37 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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western union still works. i knew a person that traveled state to state, and had people sending him thousands everyday threw western union with no problem.
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: Umeltin]
#15501824 - 12/11/11 08:39 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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oh yea western union certainly works, i was just saying its not anonymous
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: Umeltin]
#15501826 - 12/11/11 08:39 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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dont western u and moneygram have an option for secret question for people without i.d.?
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: deladude]
#15501839 - 12/11/11 08:42 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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actually yea i think your right, but it still needs a name for sure i guess you can use a fake name in that case.
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: Anonymous #1]
#15501892 - 12/11/11 08:54 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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you can use any name u want with no proof. my mom would send money to me and i would pick it up without telling them my name. u can just tell them the senders name, or tell them the name of the person supposed to recieve it. no problem. either way id just do paypal tho. theres alot of ways to hide that money. you can use it to buy stuff from yourself on fake ebay accounts with other paypal accounts attached. looks like you recieved the money and spent it on a bunch of shit online from different buyers, when really you just sent it all to yourself.
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: deladude]
#15501965 - 12/11/11 09:08 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Walmart money transfer! then make sure a secret question is used. If the worker bitches about needing to still see an ID tell her no you don't have to, that's the whole point. Get a manager if you have to. Be careful whatever route you take. Don't develop patterns.
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: AcidMonster]
#15502005 - 12/11/11 09:17 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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that sounds pretty good. i need to pick up a lot of payments eveyday though. does anyone know anything about greendot transfers?
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: AcidMonster]
#15502011 - 12/11/11 09:18 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Prepaid credit cards are the way to go as far as money go. sending packages anonymously is a little more difficult. Your best bet is to hide your product in a cheap gift set. Bags of coffee work well. If the packages are small enough you can drop box them inside the post office, and obscure your face from the surveillance camera. I've received weed and shrooms in the mail like this.
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: Anonymous #2]
#15502033 - 12/11/11 09:21 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Anonymous said: Prepaid credit cards are the way to go as far as money go. sending packages anonymously is a little more difficult. Your best bet is to hide your product in a cheap gift set. Bags of coffee work well. If the packages are small enough you can drop box them inside the post office, and obscure your face from the surveillance camera. I've received weed and shrooms in the mail like this.
yeah but how do i get the money? lol
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: deladude]
#15502037 - 12/11/11 09:23 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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deladude said: that sounds pretty good. i need to pick up a lot of payments eveyday though. does anyone know anything about greendot transfers?
i'm assuming you didn't read my first post here... you question is already answered there.
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: Anonymous #1]
#15502065 - 12/11/11 09:26 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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deladude said: that sounds pretty good. i need to pick up a lot of payments eveyday though. does anyone know anything about greendot transfers?
i'm assuming you didn't read my first post here... you question is already answered there.
sorry missed that. but cant that be traced back to your acount?
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: deladude]
#15502088 - 12/11/11 09:29 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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idk maybe, you could go with the other suggestion of getting two paypal accounts, greendot > paypal > paypal > bank
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: Anonymous #1]
#15502095 - 12/11/11 09:31 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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that would be a shit load of work with 50+ transfers a day though
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: Anonymous #1]
#15502100 - 12/11/11 09:33 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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deladude said: that sounds pretty good. i need to pick up a lot of payments eveyday though. does anyone know anything about greendot transfers?
i'm assuming you didn't read my first post here... you question is already answered there.
Have your customer buy the prepaid CC and mail it to you.
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: Anonymous #1]
#15502103 - 12/11/11 09:33 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Anonymous said: idk maybe, you could go with the other suggestion of getting two paypal accounts, greendot > paypal > paypal > bank
thats what i was getting at. execept i suggest using multiple pay pal accounts so that it looks like you just spent a bunch of money, when really your just sending it to your paypal accounts. then transfer money from all accounts to a debit not linked to a bank
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: Umeltin]
#15502116 - 12/11/11 09:36 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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lol i dont want to give my address
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: deladude]
#15502136 - 12/11/11 09:42 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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A PO box is like 60 dollars a year. I use one.
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: Anonymous #2]
#15502236 - 12/11/11 10:03 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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I wanna know what your selling
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: Sikue]
#15502266 - 12/11/11 10:08 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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government secrets.lol
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: Sikue]
#15502280 - 12/11/11 10:11 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Use moneypak greendot cards man. Buy a prepaid greendot card. Have your customers fill a moneypak card. It will cost them $4.95+what ever they load on to it. They then scratch the back message you the number through hushmail and you load it on your card.
Anonymous shipping is a bit different, don't frequent post offices with tons of packages(though they don't id you and you can use whatever name to send. Return address to a po box. Any chance you get send your product through one of those blue out boxes found all over many towns
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: deladude]
#15502283 - 12/11/11 10:12 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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so i asked a source how he takes payments, he told me to load moneypack from walmart and give him the number. im assuming he just pays himself through paypal?
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: PeterPanda209]
#15502295 - 12/11/11 10:13 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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PeterPanda209 said: Use moneypak greendot cards man. Buy a prepaid greendot card. Have your customers fill a moneypak card. It will cost them $4.95+what ever they load on to it. They then scratch the back message you the number through hushmail and you load it on your card.
Anonymous shipping is a bit different, don't frequent post offices with tons of packages(though they don't id you and you can use whatever name to send. Return address to a po box. Any chance you get send your product through one of those blue out boxes found all over many towns 
very cool! thanks for that! one more question how do i load it to my card?
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: deladude]
#15502305 - 12/11/11 10:16 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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The instructions come with the card, most people throw it away it will do you wonders man.
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: PeterPanda209]
#15502316 - 12/11/11 10:17 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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PeterPanda209 said: The instructions come with the card, most people throw it away it will do you wonders man. 
thank you!!!!!! i owe u big time bro!!!!
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: deladude]
#15503442 - 12/12/11 05:36 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Im personally curious about anonymous ways to receive packages.
I always get carded when I try to get a p.o. box and am oblivious as to how I can get a fake ID. (I dont know how the kids in this town do it and none will tell me).
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: deladude]
#15503678 - 12/12/11 07:26 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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deladude said: that would be a shit load of work with 50+ transfers a day though
not really it take a few seconds to transfer from paypal to paypal, and you can just transfer all of the money from the second paypal to your bank one time at the end of the day.
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: Anonymous #3]
#15503681 - 12/12/11 07:28 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Anonymous said: Im personally curious about anonymous ways to receive packages.
I always get carded when I try to get a p.o. box and am oblivious as to how I can get a fake ID. (I dont know how the kids in this town do it and none will tell me).
that would be impossible, you need to present the the post office with some kind of bill with your name and address. you'd have to get a fake ID of someone in your town and get a bill from them with their address.
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: Anonymous #1]
#15505829 - 12/12/11 04:48 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Anonymous said: that would be impossible, you need to present the the post office with some kind of bill with your name and address. you'd have to get a fake ID of someone in your town and get a bill from them with their address.
I have opened up a couple PO boxes and they never asked for a bill. I use my real ID that has an old address on it.
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oh wow, that's pretty cool. I suppose you could just say that you're living in your van temporarily. this thread is just full of useful information!
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: Anonymous #1]
#15511087 - 12/13/11 02:59 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dont use hushmail they work with the feds.
Use a random russian email provider and pgp
Bitcoin , liberty reserve or pecunix for payments
Use tails though a virtual machine for all your activies
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: SolverT]
#15511209 - 12/13/11 03:26 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bit coin and all that garbage is wayyyyyy too much worth and risk.
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: SolverT]
#15512172 - 12/13/11 06:46 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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SolverT said: Dont use hushmail they work with the feds.
Use a random russian email provider and pgp
Bitcoin , liberty reserve or pecunix for payments
Use tails though a virtual machine for all your activies
That all seems a little over the top to me. Whatabout just hushmailing a privnote and using moneygrams through a proxy(as in having a third party receive and cash then the receiver pays them a few bucks for their trouble) for payments?
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: Anonymous #3]
#15514796 - 12/14/11 10:17 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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SolverT said: Dont use hushmail they work with the feds.
Use a random russian email provider and pgp
Bitcoin , liberty reserve or pecunix for payments
Use tails though a virtual machine for all your activies
That all seems a little over the top to me. Whatabout just hushmailing a privnote and using moneygrams through a proxy(as in having a third party receive and cash then the receiver pays them a few bucks for their trouble) for payments?
Nothing is over the top when it comes to your personal freedom.
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: PeterPanda209]
#15521924 - 12/15/11 05:01 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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PeterPanda209 said: Bit coin and all that garbage is wayyyyyy too much worth and risk.
Whats the risk?
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: deladude]
#15522022 - 12/15/11 05:16 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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losing money
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: Anonymous #1]
#15522164 - 12/15/11 05:47 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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so any suggestions for an alternative to hushmail?
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: deladude] 1
#15522895 - 12/15/11 07:55 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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depending if your dealing with the same people all the time you can discreetly purchase disposable phones with a fake ID. grow a beard and wear sunglasses when buying the phones, and mail the phones to your contacts and be sure the phones are only used between you and them and hidden when not being used
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: deladude]
#15525840 - 12/16/11 11:46 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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deladude said: so any suggestions for an alternative to hushmail?
Safe-mail , countermail , lavabit or email.ru
Learn how to use pgp its not that hard and will give you a lot more Security.
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: SolverT]
#15533896 - 12/18/11 08:13 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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deladude said: so any suggestions for an alternative to hushmail?
Safe-mail , countermail , lavabit or email.ru
Learn how to use pgp its not that hard and will give you a lot more Security.
Very cool and thanks for the help but whats pgp?
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: deladude]
#15534393 - 12/18/11 10:59 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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deladude said: so any suggestions for an alternative to hushmail?
Safe-mail , countermail , lavabit or email.ru
Learn how to use pgp its not that hard and will give you a lot more Security.
Very cool and thanks for the help but whats pgp?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Good_Privacy
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: SolverT]
#15537214 - 12/18/11 09:18 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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SolverT said: Dont use hushmail they work with the feds.
Use a random russian email provider and pgp
Bitcoin , liberty reserve or pecunix for payments
Use tails though a virtual machine for all your activies
That all seems a little over the top to me. Whatabout just hushmailing a privnote and using moneygrams through a proxy(as in having a third party receive and cash then the receiver pays them a few bucks for their trouble) for payments?
Nothing is over the top when it comes to your personal freedom.
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: Anonymous #4]
#15572843 - 12/26/11 03:35 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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3 ways I can think of to receive funds anonymously. #1. Best bet is bitcoins. Tumbling services are available to help hide the origin in case you receive some that are being watched (and they are easy to watch) to see where/who cashes them out. And they can be exchanged for pecunix (gold backed decentralized currency) once tumbled to offer some stability, as bitcoins value are notoriously unstable. #2. Pecunix. Is a currency which increases and decreases in value right along side gold. It answers to no nations government (though i'm sure international laws apply to it). And most importantly you can set up accounts with relative ease. #3. Send a minion to pick up the cash from WU and hope you paid him well enough that he doesn't sing like a bird when the heat catches on eventually (if your contemplating sending illegal goods, which is ill advised, and I hope I'm answering a question raised from hypothetical interest.)
Green dot will work for a while, however I have read (not sure how reliable the sources were) of them freezing accounts that were frequently depositing funds from cards purchased all over the country. Plus you'd have to use someone else's info to set up the account, or leave a trail to yourself. Plus you'd need to order the green dot card to an address, since the card you initially get when you buy it at the store can't withdraw funds at an ATM.
Been reading that liberty reserve is acting weird at the moment, I'm not sure how reliable they would be.
I've seen advertisements from vendors that like anonymity which state thy use UKash, Dwolla, maybe some others (not even sure if i spelled those 2 correctly), I haven't looked into those myself so I cannot comment on their potential.
Bitcoin and Pecunix are the way to go from how things appear to me. Now, as for turning those into cash.... I've noticed vendors that have been doing it over long periods of time without getting caught. I have a couple ideas of how their doing it, but I cant know for sure since this is all information I gathered on hypothetical interest. Do some reading, hopefully I gave you a couple directions to look for the knowledge you seek. It will be a mess of a process to keep the money being cashed out from being tied to whatever transaction earned it, and you'd also be risking laundering charges.
As for shipping. Forget about shipping anything you can't drop in a random blue box, no reships, no tracking, no large parcels. Return address to a fake name, addressed to a random apartment complex with no apartment number. Follow all guide lines imposed by the postal service. Take your time and do a professional job assembling the packages. Change your packaging methods regularly. Don't develop habits that can lead curious parties to discover where/when your going to drop packs in the mail.
As for communicating with customers, I'd say e-mail only. I wouldn't advise communicating with anyone not using PGP/GPG. But its your choice whether you would care whether the customer values their own anonymity. Also don't check communications without tor.
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Re: reieving $ and shipping annonymously [Re: Anonymous #5]
#15575695 - 12/26/11 08:42 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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^^^ man knows the truth
greendot will freeze accounts. that does happen. find other peoples info, one way or another. open multiple cards. split up the payments through different cards to make it look less sketchy. always get cash back, never use at atm.
and pidgin with otr plugin has been said to be even more secure then email with gpg/pgp. but either would work very well.
check email through tor, and route pidgin through tor.
like he said, blue boxes. never use same box over and over. spread it out.
cant check LR anymore with TOR because of the captcha which is why everyone switched back to pecunix.
being secure isnt the easiest way. but its the best way.
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