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I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!!
    #15498746 - 12/11/11 06:35 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I still cant believe what has happened.  There was a giant glowing ball of light outside my house this past evening for hours.  It was pulsating and seemed really crazy.  It was watching me and i was watching it. Its not the moon. its something crazy.  I took lots of videos and hd pictures of it.  It stayed in the sky till about 7am (30 minutes ago), then suddenly disappeared.  I know it may b hard to believe but look at the footage and decide for urself






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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: Ogla]
    #15498750 - 12/11/11 06:39 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

they're here :crazy2:


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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: desant]
    #15498768 - 12/11/11 06:49 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

honestly  wtf is it??











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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: desant] * 2
    #15498771 - 12/11/11 06:51 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

December 10th is a full moon, and the recent total lunar eclipse explains its "unusual" position. Go back to bed.


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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: Ogla]
    #15498772 - 12/11/11 06:52 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

The big white ball?

It appears to be lunar of sorts.


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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: x Ju x] * 1
    #15498777 - 12/11/11 06:55 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

.I know there are a lot of things that get seen as UFOs , but mistaking the moon as a ufo?

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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: shLong]
    #15498782 - 12/11/11 06:57 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

does op wear glasses?


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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: desant]
    #15498784 - 12/11/11 06:59 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

We can't be too hard on him. After a long amphetamine binge I thought my skin pores were parasites, and even once mistook an event spotlight in the sky as a UFO.

Godspeed on your return to sanity, OP. That's the moon.


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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: Morphogenesis]
    #15498787 - 12/11/11 07:02 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

in his first video he repeatedly said it is not the moon :shrug:


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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: Ogla]
    #15498788 - 12/11/11 07:04 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Its only hard to believe if u ignorant.

We live in a vast vast multiverse teaming with life.

Us humans are not the pinnicle of that.

There are beings performing interstella travel.  there are being performing inter-dimensional travel.

We are visited all the time. 

I've had a space ship land right next to me.  A silent running alien disc.  Humans are just ignorant and think they know everything and nobody cud do interdimensional travel or visit earth blah blah blah 

They have been interacting with us all along.  Its highly highly documented in mountains of data.  Only ignorance and fear keeps people stuck in their little boxes.

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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: nice1]
    #15498791 - 12/11/11 07:06 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

ohh yeah there shed load of aliens of all types and sizes out there man


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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: desant]
    #15498793 - 12/11/11 07:07 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Its only hard to believe if u ignorant.

We live in a vast vast multiverse teaming with life.

Us humans are not the pinnicle of that.

There are beings performing interstella travel.  there are being performing inter-dimensional travel.

We are visited all the time. 

I've had a space ship land right next to me.  A silent running alien disc.  Humans are just ignorant and think they know everything and nobody cud do interdimensional travel or visit earth blah blah blah 

They have been interacting with us all along.  Its highly highly documented in mountains of data.  Only ignorance and fear keeps people stuck in their little boxes.




Definitely a vast universe and most probably full of other intelligent life forms.

But that's totally the moon, brah.

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in his first video he repeatedly said it is not the moon :shrug:




People also claim chemtrails aren't contrails or clouds.

We can repeatedly say all kinds of things until the cows come home.


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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: nice1]
    #15498794 - 12/11/11 07:08 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

and yes people can mistake simple things for other things but that doesn't change the mountains of data that show we are visited all the time and I can prove it and have proved it many times here. 

The only evidence against my data was "I dont believe" which is ignorance not evidence.

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    #15498796 - 12/11/11 07:09 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

haha  ya lol.  But its not the moon!  i noticed it cause it was bright as if the sun was illuminating, but it was still night.  and y did it just disapear within minutes after daylight?? 

it disappeared after a minute or so in the 2nd video.  Follow the link and u will see the same scene with the light suddenly gone.  It was definitely strange.  Not the MOON!! NOT THE MOON! 

the daylight footage of it is important cause it proves queit clearly its not the moon, and i checked my android star chart apps to verify if the moon was supposed to b there and it wasnt.

Its ridiculous to think i dont know what the moon looks like given that im always looking up.  And this is Texas.  Didnt u guys hear about stephenville?  fucking Texas is hot with this shit


The two videos below were shot within minutes of eachother.  I was there for a long time glowing then just disappeared

http://www.youtube.com/user/losfreddy?feature=mhee#p/a/u/1/OUVXdxjDgsY

http://www.youtube.com/user/losfreddy?feature=mhee#p/a/u/0/VJnOSNBtyjk

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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: Ogla] * 2
    #15498810 - 12/11/11 07:20 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

The other night was a full moon, and I happen to recall driving when it was about an hour or so away from getting dark, seeing the full moon bright as hell and thinking, "that's weird the moon is out already."

If it wasn't the moon in the night video, you should have showed the actual moon as well, and then showed the object.


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    #15498839 - 12/11/11 07:35 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

the moon wasnt in the sky at all.  According to my star chart, the moon is on deep south past the horizon on the other side of the planet.

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    #15498842 - 12/11/11 07:37 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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If it wasn't the moon in the night video, you should have showed the actual moon as well, and then showed the object.




So that everyone cud then call it a weather ballon etc etc to infinity.

Theres no point trying to prove unidentified objects with video LMAO  the main reason being its still unidentified anyway lol.


We have cases of structured craft, breaking our known laws of aerodynamics, flying just a few meters away from aircraft and then back off into space, being registered on mulitple radar towers and witnessed close encounters by multiple pilots.  These cases have happened hundreds of times.

My point is theres a mountain of better evidence out there and its pointless proving an unknown with a video in light of that if you are looking for evidence of ET beings visiting earth.

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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: Ogla]
    #15498844 - 12/11/11 07:38 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

It the lunar eclipse dude...


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    #15498852 - 12/11/11 07:41 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

i hear on some alien planets ganja grows 100 feet high :awesome:


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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: Ogla]
    #15498856 - 12/11/11 07:44 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

im confused by those videos.  Although the night before the full moon there was a perfect circle of clouds around the moon. it was weird, like ive seen moon halos but this was a low lying circle of clouds with the moon in dead center.


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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: nice1] * 2
    #15498861 - 12/11/11 07:46 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Its only hard to believe if u ignorant.




I believe it was the moon, does that make me ignorant

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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: Ogla] * 1
    #15498873 - 12/11/11 07:56 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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the moon wasnt in the sky at all.  According to my star chart, the moon is on deep south past the horizon on the other side of the planet.





ok, so every night this week the moon has been visible in this hemisphere
except for last night where it jumped to the other side of the earth while
the aliens visited and then suddenly it magically appears over beverly hills california after sun rise in your area

http://www.dailymoonposition.com/


you saw the moon and mistook it for a UFO

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    #15498877 - 12/11/11 08:00 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

u guys just have to see it with ur own eyes to understand.  its not the moon for several reasons

first, the moon is on the other side of the planet and not in the sky this night.  check ur star charts guys

2nd, the moon doesnt illuminate the way this thing was.  Thats how i noticed it.  It was the BRIGHTest thing in the sky!

3rd,  how would the moon suddenly dissappear out the sky within a few minutes as shown in the 2nd video


The ball of light had no features to the moon except it was a round ball.


It was quiet easy to see with the naked and realize there was no normal moon features.

4th, it constantly was getting brighter and it moves just a tad bit before it finally dissappears. 

5th, The moon in the sky (when it IS present) would b 2 or 3xs larger than this orb.

This thing was not way up in space looking down like the moon, this thing was somewhere above the clouds but in our atmosphere.  Very close to earth

I know it may seem like the moon, and thats the first instinct, but i would not have run out of my house with my camera to film the moon which i have seen my entire life.

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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: Ogla]
    #15498888 - 12/11/11 08:05 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

did anyone else in your area see it?


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    #15498891 - 12/11/11 08:07 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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the moon wasnt in the sky at all.  According to my star chart, the moon is on deep south past the horizon on the other side of the planet.





ok, so every night this week the moon has been visible in this hemisphere
except for last night where it jumped to the other side of the earth while
the aliens visited and then suddenly it magically appears over beverly hills california after sun rise in your area

http://www.dailymoonposition.com/


you saw the moon and mistook it for a UFO





on my android star chart, it shows the current position of all the stars and planets.  The Star Chart is showing me the moon is below the horizon where we cant see it.  Its like a 360 degree view of all the stars and planets.  Its a pretty cool app.

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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: Ogla]
    #15498896 - 12/11/11 08:08 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

"on my android star chart, it shows the current position of all the stars and planets.  The Star Chart is showing me the moon is below the horizon where we cant see it.  Its like a 360 degree view of all the stars and planets.  Its a pretty cool app.
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i guess we will just have to take your word for it :shrug:


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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: Ogla]
    #15498898 - 12/11/11 08:08 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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haha  ya lol.  But its not the moon! 






orange UFO... how about venus



UFO? how about the diffraction of the sun through ice crystals suspended in the air




you seem to believe everytking is a UFO

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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: Ogla]
    #15498900 - 12/11/11 08:10 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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the moon wasnt in the sky at all.  According to my star chart, the moon is on deep south past the horizon on the other side of the planet.





ok, so every night this week the moon has been visible in this hemisphere
except for last night where it jumped to the other side of the earth while
the aliens visited and then suddenly it magically appears over beverly hills california after sun rise in your area

http://www.dailymoonposition.com/


you saw the moon and mistook it for a UFO





on my android star chart, it shows the current position of all the stars and planets.  The Star Chart is showing me the moon is below the horizon where we cant see it.  Its like a 360 degree view of all the stars and planets.  Its a pretty cool app.





does your star chart tell you what city the moon is over? seems to me that
california is past your horizon where you cant see it

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    #15498901 - 12/11/11 08:11 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

i guess so, i just wanted to show it and see what u guys thought about it..  i got a little excited. I was just really unusual

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    #15498907 - 12/11/11 08:16 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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the moon wasnt in the sky at all.  According to my star chart, the moon is on deep south past the horizon on the other side of the planet.





ok, so every night this week the moon has been visible in this hemisphere
except for last night where it jumped to the other side of the earth while
the aliens visited and then suddenly it magically appears over beverly hills california after sun rise in your area

http://www.dailymoonposition.com/


you saw the moon and mistook it for a UFO





on my android star chart, it shows the current position of all the stars and planets.  The Star Chart is showing me the moon is below the horizon where we cant see it.  Its like a 360 degree view of all the stars and planets.  Its a pretty cool app.





does your star chart tell you what city the moon is over? seems to me that
california is past your horizon where you cant see it





na, it doesnt do all that.  It just shows u where the stars r. U point ur phone at the sky and it tells u what the constellations r. It even has satellites and stuff on it. Theres star chart, space junk and google sky.  a must have app for the amateur astronomer

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    #15498914 - 12/11/11 08:19 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

the 2nd video is of a sundog.  But ya. Texas is wild with UFO siting..  Im not the only person seeing them

refer to this channel

http://www.youtube.com/user/r35tt

heres another article
http://katytimes.com/opinion/editorials/article_f7b81dc4-4157-5d1e-9b90-d0c6cac52dc3.html

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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: Ogla]
    #15498922 - 12/11/11 08:24 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Yyyyyeah, but:

I was really serious about astronomy when I was young.  I still know my constellations and planets and other celestial bodies very well...

The other night my buddy had his iphone with that app, and let me tell you, it was WAY wrong..  Like, not-even-fucking-CLOSE, wrong.


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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: Ogla]
    #15498930 - 12/11/11 08:27 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

the moon was definitely very bright over texas last night, it was bright over Ga last night as well

http://www.dailymoonposition.com/moonpositiondailymap.aspx

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the 2nd video is of a sundog.  But ya. Texas is wild with UFO siting..  Im not the only person seeing them





just because people see something in the sky t doesnt mean they saw an
alien craft, I know of a guy that mistook the moon for a UFO once not too
long ago... :smirk:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_dog
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Sundogs are made commonly of plate-shaped hexagonal ice crystals in high and cold cirrus clouds or, during very cold weather, by ice crystals called diamond dust drifting in the air at low levels. These crystals act as prisms, bending the light rays passing through them with a minimum deflection of 22°. If the crystals are randomly oriented, a complete ring around the sun is seen — a halo. But often, as the crystals sink through the air they become vertically aligned, so sunlight is refracted horizontally — in this case, sundogs are seen.

As the sun rises higher, the rays passing through the crystals are increasingly skewed from the horizontal plane. Their angle of deviation increases and the sundogs move further from the sun.[4] However, they always stay at the same elevation as the sun.



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    #15498954 - 12/11/11 08:39 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Humans are just ignorant and think they know everything










Quote:

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We live in a vast vast multiverse teaming with life.

Us humans are not the pinnicle of that.

There are beings performing interstella travel.  there are being performing inter-dimensional travel.

We are visited all the time. 



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    #15498970 - 12/11/11 08:46 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

he does have a very valid point

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    #15498983 - 12/11/11 08:53 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

OP should have gone to specsavers tbh

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    #15498992 - 12/11/11 08:58 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I'm just saying it's a coincidence that you say the moon wasn't in the sky that night when it's been full lately, and you happen to see a huge glowing ball in the sky that looks like the moon.

I'm very on board with the notion that there's life out there. I'm just saying that looks a lot like the moon in the video, and it's too bad you couldn't have filmed the moon in the sky and then in the same video showed the object.


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    #15499009 - 12/11/11 09:03 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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    #15499041 - 12/11/11 09:17 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

looks like the moon, but isnt.  When i see the moon next, ill grab a photo then we can compare it to the footage that was shot today

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    #15499044 - 12/11/11 09:18 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

i was gonna say, u have a good camera, zoom works really well, even at night :gethigh:


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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: desant]
    #15499259 - 12/11/11 10:23 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

WEll here is my 2 cents:

The earth is a mirror, so when the angles are right, the sun will reflect directly onto the moon. This will intesify the brightness of the moon and even give a "reddish" glow. It doesnt happen all the time, the next time it happens will be in 2014.

On a simmilar note, I think I have seen weather balloons that act like that, did you notice that when the "light went out" the balloon was still there (shape)

The way that light works is one of humans best kept secrets, light could both reveal however it is also used to conceal..

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    #15499268 - 12/11/11 10:26 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: Soluminia]
    #15499652 - 12/11/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

It wouldnt be to hard to deduce if it was infact the moon. jeez. In what direction were you looking? Did the object move threwout the night? In relation to anything on the horizon did it move at all? Shouldn't be too hard to figure this one out. Gimme a direction and a lat/long.


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    #15499656 - 12/11/11 12:19 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

You've gone full retard. Never go full retard.

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    #15499683 - 12/11/11 12:28 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Its only hard to believe if u ignorant.

We live in a vast vast multiverse teaming with life.

Us humans are not the pinnicle of that.

There are beings performing interstella travel.  there are being performing inter-dimensional travel.

We are visited all the time. 

I've had a space ship land right next to me.  A silent running alien disc.  Humans are just ignorant and think they know everything and nobody cud do interdimensional travel or visit earth blah blah blah 

They have been interacting with us all along.  Its highly highly documented in mountains of data.  Only ignorance and fear keeps people stuck in their little boxes.




You're ignorant. The practical implications of interstellar travel based on a quite comprehensive model of physics suggests it's entirely impractical to do so. Furthermore, there is absolutely nothing worthwhile about humanity. We are royal fuckups as a species. Aliens would not be interested in us in the same way advanced research scientists don't hang out with hobos; because there is nothing to gain.

Furthermore, while it is incredibly likely there is extraterrestrial life in many forms out there- purely due to the size of the universe; the probability that life would occur under unique circumstances twice within range of making convenient contact is incredibly unlikely.

Still, I wonder, if somewhere out there the universe won it's own lottery and two alien races occurred within the same solar system and battled to the death for their enemy's habitable planet. Or if somewhere, out there, there's a race that didn't fuck up and waste all it's resources, drifting from solar system to solar system in some kind of epic ultra-efficient generation-ship.

You "inter-dimensional" bullshit isn't based on practical science, and your "mountains" of "evidence" don't count because they aren't empirical and mostly anecdotal.


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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: Ogla]
    #15499699 - 12/11/11 12:31 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I was out looking at the moon last night. It was in full veiw until 7:30 at sunrise in Indiana. It was bright as hell and looked amazing. I had the telescope out because it was so bright. Looked great.

I have no clue if what you saw was or wasn't the moon, but it did look as bright as it was last night until sunrise. It might have been the moon. :shrug:



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    #15499704 - 12/11/11 12:32 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Yea. Taking sci-fi stuff from books and relating it into the physical world as fact is pretty fucking heinous.

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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: Ogla]
    #15499725 - 12/11/11 12:38 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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haha  ya lol.  But its not the moon!  i noticed it cause it was bright as if the sun was illuminating, but it was still night.  and y did it just disapear within minutes after daylight??




I can explain its disappearance within minutes of daylight very easily.

Looking at the following chart, the full moon occurs at opposition to the sun. At this point, it should approximately rise at sunset, and set at sunrise.



https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f6/Positional_astronomy.svg

http://www.astronomynotes.com/nakedeye/s13.htm

This is all pretty basic astronomy....

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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: Ogla]
    #15499743 - 12/11/11 12:42 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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the moon wasnt in the sky at all.  According to my star chart, the moon is on deep south past the horizon on the other side of the planet.




Then you don't know how to operate your moon chart...

http://www.almanac.com/moon/calendar/TX/Stephenville/2011-12


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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: absolute zero]
    #15499812 - 12/11/11 01:03 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

OP if that wasn't the moon...then where was the moon that night?

I clicked play on the first video, then immediately though "are you serious? that's the moon" :facepalm:


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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: Ogla]
    #15499813 - 12/11/11 01:03 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

i distinctly saw the moon last night, it was definitely in the sky.  OP u trippin


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    #15499827 - 12/11/11 01:07 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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first, the moon is on the other side of the planet and not in the sky this night.  check ur star charts guys





Debunked.

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2nd, the moon doesnt illuminate the way this thing was.  Thats how i noticed it.  It was the BRIGHTest thing in the sky!




The moon is clearly the brightest thing in the sky with an apparent magnitude of -12ish during a full moon. The next brightest object would be Vega with an apparent magnitude of 0, and all the stars are going to have positive apparent magnitudes (meaning they will be dimmer). All the planet will still be dimmer because they are so much further away, and brightness has an inverse square relationship with distance.

"–12.92 Maximum brightness of full Moon (mean is –12.74)"
"–4.89 Maximum brightness of Venus[9] when illuminated as a crescent"
"–3.82 Minimum brightness of Venus when it is on the far side of the Sun"
"–2.94 Maximum brightness of Jupiter[10]"
"–2.91 Maximum brightness of Mars[11]"
"–2.50 Faintest objects visible during the day with naked eye when Sun is less than 10° above the horizon"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apparent_magnitude

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3rd,  how would the moon suddenly dissappear out the sky within a few minutes as shown in the 2nd video





Debunked.

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The ball of light had no features to the moon except it was a round ball.

It was quiet easy to see with the naked and realize there was no normal moon features.





Sure, they won't show up in the pictures you took with a cheap camera and no filters. I mean, look at all that grain on the photos, so much noise. Try different exposure/iso settings next time you see "aliens".

You also had cloudy skies to obscure your vision and to fuck with the light.

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4th, it constantly was getting brighter and it moves just a tad bit before it finally dissappears. 





What instruments did you use? What measurements of brightness did you take?

The moon will move about as fast as it takes to cross the entire sky over the course of the night.

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5th, The moon in the sky (when it IS present) would b 2 or 3xs larger than this orb.

This thing was not way up in space looking down like the moon, this thing was somewhere above the clouds but in our atmosphere.  Very close to earth





What azimuth/altitude was the object at what times?

Its clearly past the clouds, but you're making a baseless assumption about how far it was.

How did you determine its distance?

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I know it may seem like the moon, and thats the first instinct, but i would not have run out of my house with my camera to film the moon which i have seen my entire life.




Your actions have no bearing one way or the other. If there were a really convincing Elvis impersonator and you ran out to take a picture, the claim "I wouldn't have run out with my camera unless it was the real elvis" is a bullshit argument.


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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: g00ru]
    #15499831 - 12/11/11 01:08 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Absolute Zero being a mod is more interesting to me than aliens.

He has only 783 posts, and yet has been a member for over 10 years.

Wtf.

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    #15499875 - 12/11/11 01:19 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Absolute Zero being a mod is more interesting to me than aliens.

He has only 783 posts, and yet has been a member for over 10 years.

Wtf.

:ancientaliens:





Its called the irc forum and you might be interested to know there's a shroomery irc server.

https://www.shroomery.org/chat.php

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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: absolute zero]
    #15499902 - 12/11/11 01:25 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Mystery solved?




Now the mystery is why IRC? I tried clicking the link and I'm pretty sure my browser laughed at me:

"The Java Plug-in is out of date."

It's still an enigma that you can be active in the community for 10 years and still rarely post.


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    #15499926 - 12/11/11 01:32 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Evidence based on a smartphone app. Foolproof.

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    #15499929 - 12/11/11 01:34 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Mystery solved?




Now the mystery is why IRC? I tried clicking the link and I'm pretty sure my browser laughed at me:

"The Java Plug-in is out of date."

It's still an enigma that you can be active in the community for 10 years and still rarely post.




Why not IRC? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat

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    #15500195 - 12/11/11 02:29 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Its only hard to believe if u ignorant.




I believe it was the moon, does that make me ignorant





Absolute belief in anything makes you ignorant. 

One would have to ignore the mountain of assumptions to have 100% faith in anything.


My point was not about if this was the moon or not tho -  just that labelling "moon" or "balloon" is rediculous because it is unidentified.  Why force everything into little understandable chunks?  To make yourself feel better I spose - like you have the answers. 

The logical position is to remain open to all possibilty and in this case accept its simply unknown.

For all I know we live in the matrix and none of this is real therefore I can't hold any absolute beliefs.

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    #15500201 - 12/11/11 02:31 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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    #15500216 - 12/11/11 02:36 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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You're ignorant. The practical implications of interstellar travel based on a quite comprehensive model of physics suggests it's entirely impractical to do so. 





I'm open to all possibilty.

You hold FAITH that humans and the current model of physics makes interstella travel impracticle.  This ignores the fact that science is progressive as new discoveries are made and historically every theory ever thought has been over turned by a new better one as we progress.  Thats ignorance.  You ignore history and the scientific method. 

The error in your logic is the assumptuion that our current model / theory is absolute.  A classical error in logic made by many scientists throughout history.


Its akin to the first sailors who claimed people would fall off the edge of the world if they traveled to far because their world model told them so or that "heavier than air flight is impossible".

Did you not consider we may progress and think of a way to perform interstella travel.  You just assume we have it all figured out now and nothing new can be found?

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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: You Agree]
    #15500218 - 12/11/11 02:36 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Moon.
OP is a fag.




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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: nice1]
    #15500299 - 12/11/11 02:57 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

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You're ignorant. The practical implications of interstellar travel based on a quite comprehensive model of physics suggests it's entirely impractical to do so. 





I'm open to all possibilty.

You hold FAITH that humans and the current model of physics makes interstella travel impracticle.  This ignores the fact that science is progressive as new discoveries are made and historically every theory ever thought has been over turned by a new better one as we progress.  Thats ignorance.  You ignore history and the scientific method. 

The error in your logic is the assumptuion that our current model / theory is absolute.  A classical error in logic made by many scientists throughout history.


Its akin to the first sailors who claimed people would fall off the edge of the world if they traveled to far because their world model told them so.

Did you not consider we may progress and think of a way to perform interstella travel.  Discover anything else?  You just think we have it all figured out now and nothing new can be found?




Think about how far we have progressed in space travel in the last 30 years. 100 years ago people would never even DREAM of getting in a rocket and blasting off into outer space...

if an advanced civilization, similar to ours, who had only existed for say...1000 more years than humanity has, why would it be unreasonable to assume they could travel through space just like we can?

It's pretty obvious that there is life elsewhere in the universe. Somewhere, there is intelligent life. The universe is too huge,and there are too many earth-like planets for there NOT to be life.

have they actually come to earth? i don't know...but in the future, when we are capable of traveling more efficiently through space, we will find out.


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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: nice1]
    #15500309 - 12/11/11 03:00 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

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nice1 said:
Its only hard to believe if u ignorant.




I believe it was the moon, does that make me ignorant





Absolute belief in anything makes you ignorant. 

One would have to ignore the mountain of assumptions to have 100% faith in anything.


My point was not about if this was the moon or not tho -  just that labelling "moon" or "balloon" is rediculous because it is unidentified.  Why force everything into little understandable chunks?  To make yourself feel better I spose - like you have the answers. 

The logical position is to remain open to all possibilty and in this case accept its simply unknown.

For all I know we live in the matrix and none of this is real therefore I can't hold any absolute beliefs.




The video is clearly of the moon. The very fact that you would consider this any kind of unidentified-flying-object completely destroys your credibility.


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    #15500312 - 12/11/11 03:01 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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    #15500315 - 12/11/11 03:01 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

nice1 said:
Quote:

blujay said:

You're ignorant. The practical implications of interstellar travel based on a quite comprehensive model of physics suggests it's entirely impractical to do so. 





I'm open to all possibilty.

You hold FAITH that humans and the current model of physics makes interstella travel impracticle.  This ignores the fact that science is progressive as new discoveries are made and historically every theory ever thought has been over turned by a new better one as we progress.  Thats ignorance.  You ignore history and the scientific method. 

The error in your logic is the assumptuion that our current model / theory is absolute.  A classical error in logic made by many scientists throughout history.


Its akin to the first sailors who claimed people would fall off the edge of the world if they traveled to far because their world model told them so.

Did you not consider we may progress and think of a way to perform interstella travel.  Discover anything else?  You just think we have it all figured out now and nothing new can be found?




Think about how far we have progressed in space travel in the last 30 years. 100 years ago people would never even DREAM of getting in a rocket and blasting off into outer space...

if an advanced civilization, similar to ours, who had only existed for say...1000 more years than humanity has, why would it be unreasonable to assume they could travel through space just like we can?

It's pretty obvious that there is life elsewhere in the universe. Somewhere, there is intelligent life. The universe is too huge,and there are too many earth-like planets for there NOT to be life.

have they actually come to earth? i don't know...but in the future, when we are capable of traveling more efficiently through space, we will find out.




Space travel is not like Moore's law.

You want to believe, so you do. The facts / science, says otherwise.

Furthermore, human technology is far advanced to the point where you couldn't bring anything big enough to allow interstellar travel near Earth without us noticing.


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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: nice1]
    #15500329 - 12/11/11 03:04 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Absolute belief in anything makes you ignorant. 

One would have to ignore the mountain of assumptions to have 100% faith in anything.

My point was not about if this was the moon or not tho -  just that labelling "moon" or "balloon" is rediculous because it is unidentified.  Why force everything into little understandable chunks?  To make yourself feel better I spose - like you have the answers. 

The logical position is to remain open to all possibilty and in this case accept its simply unknown.

For all I know we live in the matrix and none of this is real therefore I can't hold any absolute beliefs



Noone said anything about "absolute belief" and the scientific process isn't about absolute beliefs.

The OP made falsifiable claims and presented them here for input.

When the OP claims that this is "not the moon, but something crazy", then it becomes untenable for us to take the position that this is simply an unidentifiable object because he has already started to tell us what it is or isn't.

I get where you're coming from and even agree with you to an extent, but this whole zen/nothingness argument seems slightly out of place. Everything we know is based upon assumptions, including your stances: that believing this to be one object or another is ignorant, that our understandings being based upon assumptions means we should not try to understand anything ever (a sort of voluntary ignorance).

We cannot make absolute statements, but we can certainly look at the evidence in order to choose the most probable/accurate stance.

OP says that there was no moon in the sky on a night known to be during the full moon period, then proceeds to show us picture of a moon-like object that appeared in the sky in place of the moon and exibiting moon-like behaviors.

It doesn't take a rocket scientists to put it all together.


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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: blujay]
    #15500334 - 12/11/11 03:05 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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The video is clearly of the moon.




I didn't even watch the video.  :lol:

I don't think you have any reading comprehension at all.

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you would consider this any kind of unidentified-flying-object




It is unidentified though.  Only you have identified it as the moon.  If you read my posts I stated attempting to identify an unidentifyable blob on video is absurd and pointless.

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detroys your credibility




Its certain shows me your have the reading comprehension of a 2 year old.  :dumblol:

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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: blujay]
    #15500337 - 12/11/11 03:06 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

:lolwut:

I simply acknowledge that if there was intelligent life elsewhere in the universe, it would be ridiculous to assume that they are not just as advanced, if not more advanced than humans.

Think about how long we have actually existed for on this planet. This earth is billions of years old. There are other planets with suns, like earth, that are just as old, some probably much older.

Why is it unreasonable to think that an advanced civilization could have developed like we did?

It isn't. I believe life exists outside of this earth. If you think earth is the ONLY place in the entire universe that is capable of sustaining life, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

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    #15500347 - 12/11/11 03:09 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Noone said anything about "absolute belief"




Yes they did. I did :smile: but guess you missed the reason why...

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the scientific process isn't about absolute beliefs.




I know - i often have to state that here myself.

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    #15500352 - 12/11/11 03:10 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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I simply acknowledge that if there was intelligent life elsewhere in the universe, it would be ridiculous to assume that they are not just as advanced, if not more advanced than humans.
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You're just ignorant :snub:

Humans have the absolute understanding of space travel now and it will never change. :bored:

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    #15500363 - 12/11/11 03:13 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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human technology is far advanced to the point where you couldn't bring anything big enough to allow interstellar travel near Earth without us noticing.




Conclusive proof of humans being god.  The all mighty EGO MAN.  :lol:  He knoweth the future and holdeth all knowldege of the universe.


Seriously though, blujay its a disgrace for you to use the good name of science to back up your crappy faith based assumptions.  Its the most unscientific rubbish Ive ever heard.

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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: nice1]
    #15500371 - 12/11/11 03:14 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

What? what are you talking about?

Do you think that life exists elsewhere in the universe?

Plus I never said we have the ultimate understanding of space travel. In fact, we are extremely inefficient at traveling through space. I imagine 50 years from now, it will be much easier. 100 years from now it'll be even easier than that, and in 1000 years...shit, I can't even imagine.

I keep an open mind to all possibilities, and there is a lot of evidence that points towards life existing on other planets.

I mean for fucks sake they have found microbes on rocks from mars that have crashed into the earth. There IS life out there. Is it advanced? Intelligent? capable of space travel? Maybe


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    #15500374 - 12/11/11 03:15 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Chill winston, im being sarcastic to blujay.  i completely agree with you.

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Chill winston, im being sarcastic to blujay.




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    #15500388 - 12/11/11 03:23 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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I simply acknowledge that if there was intelligent life elsewhere in the universe, it would be ridiculous to assume that they are not just as advanced, if not more advanced than humans.
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You're just ignorant :snub:

Humans have the absolute understanding of space travel now and it will never change. :bored:



@nice1
We clearly haven't reached a complete understanding of the universe, I will agree on that point.

@anthony
Your statment is worded a little oddly so I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say.

Say we were to take the basic assumption that there is life outside of the planet for the sake of argument.

It would be silly to conclude anything about their level of advancement or anythings else as we have no evidence to go upon. It would be just as silly to conclude that these organisms must be simple as it would be to conclude they must be advanced. In the absence of evidence, any position would be silly.

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NOW, as this all applies to the OP.

There is evidence that suggest his claims are false, namely the very media and descriptions he posted to support the claims.


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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: absolute zero]
    #15500429 - 12/11/11 03:33 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I disagree. We have to base our assumptions off of what we know about the universe.

We know what kind of planets can sustain life, by our definition of life. We know that over the course of 4 billions years, humans have evolved to our current state of being.

There are many other earth like planets, with similar atmospheres, suns, water...aka capable of sustaining life.
These planets are just as old, if not older than earth.

Since we came to be on this planet over the course of billions of years, it is naive to think that another planet similar to earth couldn't have done the same.

Right? I'm not saying there is intelligent life outside of earth. I just don't know. There IS life in SOME form outside of earth, and I think that just opens the doors of possibility.

We once thought that earth was the center of the universe. Then we thought the sun revolved around us, then we realized that we exist in only 1 of BILLIONS of other galaxies in the universe. All of these galaxies contain hundreds of billions of stars.

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    #15500431 - 12/11/11 03:33 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Oh god, watch out!  It's the moon!  It's coming for us!  It's okay to crack jokes about this since it's not the conspiracy forum right?

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    #15500443 - 12/11/11 03:35 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Lol it's the moon homie.


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    #15500575 - 12/11/11 04:14 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)



if OP is unable to identify the moon, then it's an unidentified flying object


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    #15500703 - 12/11/11 04:43 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

i just so happened to be outside early this morning.

it was light out and there was a full moon out.


a smoked a ciggerate and didn't give much of a fuck.




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    #15501210 - 12/11/11 06:36 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Its only hard to believe if u ignorant.




I believe it was the moon, does that make me ignorant





Absolute belief in anything makes you ignorant. 

One would have to ignore the mountain of assumptions to have 100% faith in anything.




:lolsy:

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My point was not about if this was the moon or not tho -  just that labelling "moon" or "balloon" is rediculous because it is unidentified.  Why force everything into little understandable chunks?  To make yourself feel better I spose - like you have the answers.




except that it's not unidentified, it was identified as the moon, even my 8yo said it was the moon 

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The logical position is to remain open to all possibilty and in this case accept its simply unknown.




the logical position is to discount possibilities,

was it swamp gas?
was it a weather balloon?
was it superman?
was it a soviet satellite?


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For all I know we live in the matrix and none of this is real therefore I can't hold any absolute beliefs.




you may live in the matrix but I'm in the real world, the one that isnt
ending or having a global shift in conciousness in 2012, the one that isnt
run by the illuminati and freemasons. a world where aliens havent abducted
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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: Anthony]
    #15501234 - 12/11/11 06:40 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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I disagree. We have to base our assumptions off of what we know about the universe.

We know what kind of planets can sustain life, by our definition of life. We know that over the course of 4 billions years, humans have evolved to our current state of being.

There are many other earth like planets, with similar atmospheres, suns, water...aka capable of sustaining life.
These planets are just as old, if not older than earth.

Since we came to be on this planet over the course of billions of years, it is naive to think that another planet similar to earth couldn't have done the same.

Right? I'm not saying there is intelligent life outside of earth. I just don't know. There IS life in SOME form outside of earth, and I think that just opens the doors of possibility.

We once thought that earth was the center of the universe. Then we thought the sun revolved around us, then we realized that we exist in only 1 of BILLIONS of other galaxies in the universe. All of these galaxies contain hundreds of billions of stars.

You think we're the ONLY place with life? I don't.




This is all irrelevant since I am not taking the stance you are suggesting I take.

All I said is that if we take it for a given that other life exists (something noone can prove or disprove at this point in time), we can't make accurate statements about how advanced or primitive that life is.

I never said we're the only place with life, you projected that as my stance.

I think there's a decent probability that extra-solar life exists, has existed, or will exist. I also think its probable I will go to my grave without ever having seen evidence of its existence as all the habitable extrasolar planets we have found are many many light years away. Without evidence of its existence, neither you nor I can say for sure.


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    #15501335 - 12/11/11 07:01 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Absolute Zero being a mod is more interesting to me than aliens.

He has only 783 posts, and yet has been a member for over 10 years.

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    #15502541 - 12/11/11 11:08 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

so many people have posted in this thread just saying "i saw the moon"


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at least OP had a story to go with it


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    #15502556 - 12/11/11 11:10 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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i hear on some alien planets ganja grows 100 feet high :awesome:




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    #15503064 - 12/12/11 01:21 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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nice1 said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
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nice1 said:
Its only hard to believe if u ignorant.




I believe it was the moon, does that make me ignorant





Absolute belief in anything makes you ignorant. 

One would have to ignore the mountain of assumptions to have 100% faith in anything.




:lolsy:

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My point was not about if this was the moon or not tho -  just that labelling "moon" or "balloon" is rediculous because it is unidentified.  Why force everything into little understandable chunks?  To make yourself feel better I spose - like you have the answers.




except that it's not unidentified, it was identified as the moon, even my 8yo said it was the moon 

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The logical position is to remain open to all possibilty and in this case accept its simply unknown.




the logical position is to discount possibilities,

was it swamp gas?
was it a weather balloon?
was it superman?
was it a soviet satellite?


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For all I know we live in the matrix and none of this is real therefore I can't hold any absolute beliefs.




you may live in the matrix but I'm in the real world, the one that isnt
ending or having a global shift in conciousness in 2012, the one that isnt
run by the illuminati and freemasons. a world where aliens havent abducted
me and probed my anus or landed next to me and made me swear I've proved
it without having or providing any actual evidence





It may well of been the moon.  I just don't see any logic in identifying an unidentifyable blob.  OP said its not the moon and I'm happy to leave it open instead of forcing a belief or faith that it is something.  People do that to make themselves feel better, because they want to understand everything and it comfortable to not have unknowns in your world view.

My position on ETs is clear and its obvious we are visited.  The amount of evidence is overwhelming.



And as for the "real world" comment.  Its the same thing I said in my first statement.  You assume you have it all figured out.
Let me tell you this; without a microscope - we didn't know the world of bacteria even existsed.  You would be called insane for thinking tiny creatures lived everywhere.

Does that make it not real? Just because we can't see it?  No, the microscope simple removes an optical limitation allowing us to discover a whole new aspect of reality that changed everything we thought about this reality.


See thats the problem.  You are making the same mistake.  You think you know the "real world".  I think you can see 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of it and believe you understand it all because of that.



I understand their will be infinite paradigm shifts.  History has shown this to hold true.


To state simply, you can't accept the possibility of these ideas because you assume you already know what absolute reality is.








When I sate "We MIGHT live in the matrix for all I know"
I am stating that I do not know the absolute nature of this reality; I suspect I barely even scratch the surface with my limited understanding as a human

When you state "I live in the real world therefore none of the concepts mentioned are possible"
you have an absolute faith in your version or model of reality you have constructed in your head.


But its just that - a construct - an illusion.

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    #15503890 - 12/12/11 08:51 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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It may well of been the moon.  I just don't see any logic in identifying an unidentifyable blob.  OP said its not the moon and I'm happy to leave it open instead of forcing a belief or faith that it is something.




of course not because if it were identified it would remove any doubt
about what it was, you want to believe in alien space craft visiting the
earth but if it can be disproven now then maybe if there were any evidence
regarding your encounter then maybe yours would also be disproven and then
the FAITH that you have in your BELIEF would be shattered

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People do that to make themselves feel better, because they want to understand everything and it comfortable to not have unknowns in your world view.






right... it has nothing to do with humans wanting a greater understanding
of the things around them, in reality those that refuse to accept that
simple explanation instead they want to BLIEVE that "when the moon is full
and bright and you see a big glowing ball in the sky but you dont see the
moon anywhere in the sky then surely the big glowing ball must be an alien
space craft" Occams Razor


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My position on ETs is clear and its obvious we are visited.  The amount of evidence is overwhelming.





no it's not and neither is there sufficient evidence to prove that we are.
you choose to believe this, you choose to believe that a UFO landed next
to you, near you, you stumbled upon it, etc... that's the problem with the
story always changing.

anyway, if the universe is 14 billion years old then why should we simply
assume that some planets had some hyper developmental status while the
earth did not, why should we assume that there's a planet out there that's
far more advanced than our own. why should we assume that some alien race
has managed to do what we BELIEVE violates the laws of physics? why not
assume instead that the earth is the most advanced planet in the universe?
why not believe that we're the only life in the universe. well because
many of us, instead of stating we know say we dont know.

I can only assume that there's other life in the universe considering that
there's billions of stars with planets orbiting them, I can assume they
went through the more or less the same processes our own plant was
subjected to from it's formation, this includes the geologic and biologic
changes, the extinctions and evolution as a result of these changes if
they were/are capable of supporting life, that doesnt mean I'm going to
also assume that they're more advanced or more primitive

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And as for the "real world" comment.  Its the same thing I said in my first statement.  You assume you have it all figured out.
Let me tell you this; without a microscope - we didn't know the world of bacteria even existsed.  You would be called insane for thinking tiny creatures lived everywhere.




I'm not questioning life in the universe, I work on the assumption that we
are not all there is, unlike you who works on the gnostic approach of
having the knowledge that aliens are visiting the planet without providing
substantiation. I work on the BELIEF that even though we are a class 2
planet capable of supporting our own lives that other planet classes can
possibly support life as well as can class 2 planets with other types of
atmosphere. I dont assume to know anything, I dont choose to believe that
others know nothing because they dont believe things as I see them such as
you do. I do require proof of claims being made as fact and do want the
information that leads to one's opinion in order to better understand why
they BELIEVE as they do. this is the reason I always ask question, the
same questions that always go unanswered in these sorts of discussions
because it seems that none of the gnostic believers have really thought about their position before spouting off their beliefs



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To state simply, you can't accept the possibility of these ideas because you assume you already know what absolute reality is.





as I've stated many times, show your work. if you claim that aliens visit us then you need to show the evidence that supports that, not a picture of some dot in the sky, not a video of debris floating in space. much like the clams of Ebani that are easy to debunk as nothing more than balloons bound together







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When I sate "We MIGHT live in the matrix for all I know"
I am stating that I do not know the absolute nature of this reality; I suspect I barely even scratch the surface with my limited understanding as a human

When you state "I live in the real world therefore none of the concepts mentioned are possible"
you have an absolute faith in your version or model of reality you have constructed in your head.


But its just that - a construct - an illusion.





no, it's a foundation in reality not some crap gleaned from a scifi movie

show me some evidence that this reality isnt real

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    #15503906 - 12/12/11 08:57 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

It just happens to be exactly the same size, brightness, and position of the moon!

Now this strange unidentified triangular thing that has landed between my eyes and mouth on my face, if I could just figure out what that thing is we would have solved the mysteries of the known universe. It appears to have two thrust ports.


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    #15503909 - 12/12/11 08:58 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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    #15503942 - 12/12/11 09:13 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I'd just like to take the opportunity to laugh at OP for mistaking the moon for a UFO.

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    #15503965 - 12/12/11 09:24 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I don't hold a belief though.

If we are in the matrix then nothing is real.

I saw a ship land next to me, it burnt the grass.  So it was as physical as anything else in this reality.  Equally pilots have seen them up close and on multiple radars proving they are physical space craft.  Therefore they are as real as anything else in this world.

I don't know what reality is.  All I have are theories of likelyness.  We saw a space ship and it was as real as my car so I give it the same level of likely to be real.  i.e its as real as anything in this world is but of course nothing can be proven absolutely.  Nothing at all.


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gnostic approach of having the knowledge that aliens are visiting the planet without providing substantiation.




Its just clear from the mountain of data on it - I've written it up here like 1 billion times already :yawn:

Japan Airlines
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Air_Lines_flight_1628_incident

Belgium UFO - major general from airforce


Stefen Michilak - burnt by a landed space craft:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendlesham_Forest_incident


OK thats just 3 of 3 million established physical cases of space craft.  If this shit wasn't real - I would expect a few hoaxes at best not millions of close encounters with physical evidence ranging the entire history of mankind.  :undecided:  If you just open your minbd and stop blaming weather balloons its beyond obvious we are being visited.

Whats the alternative?  The entire human race is engaged in some mass conspiracy to decieve you :lol:

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    #15504007 - 12/12/11 09:36 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

100 military witnesses with data
http://www.disclosureproject.org/

4 seperate officials from militaries world wide talking about UFOs disabilng their nuclear weapons with beams of light



Its just goes on and on and on

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_Fighters

and you think all these guys got together and said lets make a lie to dupe people in some monolithic conspiracy that has been recorded by mankind for centuries.

This isn't just lights in the sky.  These are abductions, close encounters with space craft, ships interacting with people, the environment and our technology
and being detected by us.


and you write it off as balloons and hoaxes.  :facepalm:

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    #15504020 - 12/12/11 09:39 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

http://ufos.about.com/od/whoswhoinufos/p/stantonfriedman.htm

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See if this was crap none of this mountain of data would exist.  It would be a few hoaxes and thats it.  But thats not what we have.  We have overwhelming mass of evidence.

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    #15504027 - 12/12/11 09:40 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

it could be indicative of some major phenomenon but not necessarily space travelers as you're imagining them.  People jump strait to this preconcieved notion of "ufos" when any number of things could really be going on.


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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: g00ru]
    #15504036 - 12/12/11 09:42 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Fair point.  Its intelligent entities though.  Thats a totally reasonable theory.  They display intelligence, they appear to travel in craft.  Exactly the same as we do.  We are beings on a planet that send UFO's to other planets.

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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: nice1]
    #15504063 - 12/12/11 09:50 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

the video where it "disappears" is private, and unwatchable.
how am i going to believe it's not the goddam moon, eh?


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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: nice1]
    #15504347 - 12/12/11 11:17 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't hold a belief though.
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I saw a ship land next to me, it burnt the grass.  So it was as physical as anything else in this reality.  Equally pilots have seen them up close and on multiple radars proving they are physical space craft.  Therefore they are as real as anything else in this world.
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We saw a space ship and it was as real as my car so I give it the same level of likely to be real.  i.e its as real as anything in this world is but of course nothing can be proven absolutely.  Nothing at all.
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gnostic approach of having the knowledge that aliens are visiting the planet without providing substantiation.



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Its just clear from the mountain of data on it - I've written it up here like 1 billion times already :yawn:




You don't "hold a belief" you just take the stance that an alien spacecraft landed next to you and back up your stance with some sort of data you perceive as evidence of that claim.

Do you not see the hypocrisy in criticizing others for doing the exact same thing that you do?

OP makes a falsifiable claim that the object he observed was not the moon and others look at the presented data, using it as evidence for their stance that it is indeed the moon.

You want to play semantics about what people mean by "believe" and project how strongly people feel about certain issues and to be quite honest, its a copout. If you want to discredit claims that are being made here, then use the presented data to back up a stance. Don't sit here and lecture us about the foundation of knowledge.


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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: nice1]
    #15504363 - 12/12/11 11:20 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Fair point.  Its intelligent entities though.  Thats a totally reasonable theory.  They display intelligence, they appear to travel in craft.  Exactly the same as we do.  We are beings on a planet that send UFO's to other planets.




Its also a totally reasonable theory that the OP's object is the moon, so why are you entitled to a position while restricting other people?


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    #15504393 - 12/12/11 11:28 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: nice1]
    #15504579 - 12/12/11 12:12 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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100 military witnesses with data
http://www.disclosureproject.org/




someone posted a video of the moon claiming it was a UFO

arent those the same people that keep claiming the US is going to release
all the UGO data on some date and when that date rolls around they say nothing?

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4 seperate officials from militaries world wide talking about UFOs disabilng their nuclear weapons with beams of light]





4 americans on larry king talking about a couple of event is far from
being 4 separate officials from militaries all over the world alking about
UFOs disabilng their nuclear weapons, in 1967 when these missiles
malfunctioned it's not as though missile technology was as advanced as it
is today when we still have failures in technology and of course it's best
to blame UFOs as opposed to the most advanced technology in the world


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Its just goes on and on and on

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_Fighters




so the foo fighters are in on this? are they aliens? deriving heir name
from something is far from making it true, if that were the case then I'd
have named my sone jesus so he could be the messiah and people would make
me rich by offering gold, frankincense and myrrh

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and you think all these guys got together and said lets make a lie to dupe people in some monolithic conspiracy that has been recorded by mankind for centuries.




do I think they all got together? do you disbelieve in the reality of independent crackpots and copycats?

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This isn't just lights in the sky.  These are abductions, close encounters with space craft, ships interacting with people, the environment and our technology
and being detected by us.


and you write it off as balloons and hoaxes.  :facepalm:






and you write up all these claims by people that have no tangible evidence
out of all these thousands of cases as being fact

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http://ufos.about.com/od/whoswhoinufos/p/stantonfriedman.htm

Nuclear physicist documents 4000  physical trace cases of space craft




why does your link not validate your statement?

what's a UFO trace? is it a witness report or is it a piece of a space
craft, is it a bad photo of some guy holding something he claims to be
a piece of a space craft?




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See if this was crap none of this mountain of data would exist.  It would be a few hoaxes and thats it.  But thats not what we have.  We have overwhelming mass of evidence.





really? people deny the holocaust even though there's plenty of tangible
evidence that prove the even occurred. some guy claiming he'd been
abducted by a UFO is hardly evidence that the event really took place.
where is the physical evidence, did it all conveniently disappear into the
hands of the government? I'm not looking for a video of the moon and
someone telling me that it's a UFO to be considered evidence, we can
already see just how reliable eyewitness testimony is

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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: absolute zero] * 1
    #15504590 - 12/12/11 12:14 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Fair point.  Its intelligent entities though.  Thats a totally reasonable theory.  They display intelligence, they appear to travel in craft.  Exactly the same as we do.  We are beings on a planet that send UFO's to other planets.




Its also a totally reasonable theory that the OP's object is the moon, so why are you entitled to a position while restricting other people?





because that's how open mindedness works

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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #15504809 - 12/12/11 01:09 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Street light + moon. Got me for the first 20 seconds though.

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    #15504820 - 12/12/11 01:11 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: Primal Glitch]
    #15506596 - 12/12/11 06:59 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

object moves to the left in this shot??


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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: Ogla]
    #15506864 - 12/12/11 07:42 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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object moves to the left in this shot??




I love that you're still holding to the point that the moon isn't in the sky according to your android app when that idea has clearly been debunked.

The moon moves or you moved? Its clear from the shaking of the camera that you're not standing still at this point. The moon seems to move in a circular fashion with respect to the light anytime you roll the cam (watch how the lights below the street lamp also rotate at the same times).


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    #15506908 - 12/12/11 07:48 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

below the clouds in this pic


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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: absolute zero]
    #15506917 - 12/12/11 07:49 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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object moves to the left in this shot??




I love that you're still holding to the point that the moon isn't in the sky according to your android app when that idea has clearly been debunked.

The moon moves or you moved? Its clear from the shaking of the camera that you're not standing still at this point. The moon seems to move in a circular fashion with respect to the light anytime you roll the cam (watch how the lights below the street lamp also rotate at the same times).





actually i realized that the star chart wasnt set to my gps so it was off,  but yeah.  I really dont think this is the moon

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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: Ogla]
    #15506931 - 12/12/11 07:51 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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object moves to the left in this shot??







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    #15506988 - 12/12/11 08:01 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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below the clouds in this pic






Would you explain to me what about the picture would indicate it being below the clouds vs. shining through a gap in the clouds?


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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: absolute zero]
    #15507407 - 12/12/11 09:21 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

if it was the moon, then i think something is terribly wrong with it

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    #15507476 - 12/12/11 09:34 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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if it was the moon, then i think something is terribly wrong with it




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    #15507719 - 12/12/11 10:22 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: Ogla]
    #15510906 - 12/13/11 02:14 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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if it was the moon, then i think something is terribly wrong with it




It was the night of the solar eclipse?  There are however all sorts of bizarre lunar phenomena.


A.L.P - anonomolous lunar phenomena.  Completely unexplained by science.  NASA has a catalogue fo tens of thousands.  Human history has a catalogue even bigger.


Some of these include lights racing around the moons surface.  Seen hundreds of times and filned by shuttle missions.





Expert astronomer Patrick Moore noted that an apparent artifical structure that appeared to be a bridge had popped up over night on the in the Mare Crisium crater.

This is just the tip of the iceburg, as I keep telling people.  I'm sure its just weather balloons though or space kites though.


Space entities,



Don't worry folks its just a hose though  :lol:

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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: nice1]
    #15510925 - 12/13/11 02:17 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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if it was the moon, then i think something is terribly wrong with it




It wsas the night of the solar eclipse.  Theres all sorts of bizarre lunar phenomena.

A.L.P - anonomolous lunar phenomena.  Completely unexplained by science.  NASA has a catalogue fo tens of thousands.  Human history has a catalogue even bigger.

Some of these include lights racingaround the moons surface.  Seen hundreds of times and filned by shuttle missions.

Expert astronomer Patrick Moore noted that an apparent artifical structure that appeared to be a bridge had popped up over night on the in the Mare Crisium crater.

This is just the tip of the iceburg, as I keep telling people.  I'm sure its just weather balloons though or space kites though.




it was actually the night of the lunar eclipse


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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: Anthony]
    #15510939 - 12/13/11 02:21 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Sorry, I meant lunar yep.  I type so fast I have to edit posts after cuz theres so many grammatical and incorrectly defined errors and dyslexia in there.  :frown:  I edit fast as well tho.  Its not to be misleading or anything iyts just my crazy brain running at 10000000 iles an hour all the time.

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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: nice1]
    #15510967 - 12/13/11 02:27 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

oh i dont give a shit, i just thought u might be confused and actually thought it was a solar eclipse


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bJueF118eLk#!

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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: Anthony]
    #15514060 - 12/14/11 04:17 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/UFOs-Nukes-Extraordinary-Encounters-ebook/dp/B005PN40LM/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1323861138&sr=1-1


Kites with LEDS on are way cool, they can shut down independant nuclear missiles worldwide on multiple occasions.  Wish I had one of those swamp gas weather balloon LED kites that cud shut down nuclear warheads :flowstone:



Stlil yet to see this debunking Pris and all u other skeptics?  Same old every time - they claim everything is debunked and their excuses are kites and balloons.  Completely ignoring the mountain of physical evidence.

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Re: I just saw a UFO!!! Footage included!! [Re: nice1]
    #15514104 - 12/14/11 05:04 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

didnt we just have a super duper advanced, top secret stealth drone taken
down by the Iranian version of the Mr.Microphone. I'm sure that everything
was so much more advanced in 1967 that it had to be UFOs shutting down the
nuclear site and not just a blown fuse


what was that? space worms? ebani? we've captured some and were dissecting
them for medical study but they have a suicude pill or something





it seems we have millions of tons of junk that we have put into space
since the 50s but to you it's unimaginable that a piece of hose wouldnt be
floating around even though a multimillion dollar mission was just
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