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Re: Synthetic Drug Ban This Week [Re: countchocula420]
    #15483919 - 12/08/11 03:27 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

To be honest i think you kids are pretty crazy these days with the RCs.

Back in the day, RCs were like AMT and DPT, which were research chemicals, but there was like 30 years of animal and human studies on both of those.

All this crazy jhw and methylone/methadrone, mxe shit. 

I'm all for RCs, but stuff without at least like... the very basic toxicology studies is pretty god damn scarey.


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Re: Synthetic Drug Ban This Week [Re: danlennon3]
    #15483920 - 12/08/11 03:27 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Well shit. All the 2c's are listed at the bottom. :facepalm:


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Re: Synthetic Drug Ban This Week [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #15483934 - 12/08/11 03:31 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

yea. they pretty much just took out all synthetic drugs except for mxe, nbome's, dox's, and tryptamines.

looks like its time to stock up.


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Re: Synthetic Drug Ban This Week [Re: teamkiller]
    #15483940 - 12/08/11 03:32 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

I thought MXE was supposed to be generally safer in comparison to ketamine?


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Re: Synthetic Drug Ban This Week [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #15483951 - 12/08/11 03:34 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Very sad day for a lot of my friends. They're smoking spice on the daily consuming 3-10 tubes a day. Spice is a lot more addicting than bud that's for sure... could be a good thing to some people. Won't labs just make more synthetic cannabinoids though?


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Re: Synthetic Drug Ban This Week [Re: Content]
    #15483960 - 12/08/11 03:36 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

doesnt matter if its new.

they say if they didnt explicitly state a substance and it is known to be a cb1 receptor agonist it is included in the ban as well

that means all future synthetic cannabinoids from here on out are automatically illegal even though they arent currently known about and mentioned in the bill.


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Re: Synthetic Drug Ban This Week [Re: Content]
    #15483964 - 12/08/11 03:37 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

This passes a sweeping legislation over all cannabis mimetics. So anything that a lab synthesizes to act upon the cannabinoid receptors will be deemed illegal.


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Re: Synthetic Drug Ban This Week [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #15484095 - 12/08/11 04:22 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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I thought MXE was supposed to be generally safer in comparison to ketamine?




it was designed to hit a similar receptor profile as ketamine at a lower dosage, so we wouldn't get terrible bladder problems.

But fuck man you're gonna trust some person's guess at what a drug will do?

major pharmaceuticals go through 10 years of trials, get put out on the market for 10 years, and then they go "oh shit yeah it might accidently kill you, whoops"

like i said before, pretty much all the stuff labeled "RC" up until like the first round of bans in the 2000's, all the popular stuff has at least enough research behind it, they knew it wasn't gonna kill anyone or make them retarded.

Hopefully its changed by now, but i remember like a year ago i couldn't find any basic animal studies done with mxe. 
I dunno man, you really gotta do a shit ton of animal studies just to find like basic dangers.

edit: i still can't get a straight fuckin answer from anyone on possible ketamine contaminants (leftover precursors, degradation products of leftover precursors)  You gotta think about that shit doubly for a product thats not even intended for market.


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Re: Synthetic Drug Ban This Week [Re: teamkiller]
    #15484120 - 12/08/11 04:30 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

probably not.

all the RC's are made in real labs by real chemists. chances are they know what theyre doing with respect to synthesis and also know how to purify it.

as for the dangerousness aspect, well, shit, im going to die anyway. i might as well die while im tripping my ass off if its going to happen.


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Re: Synthetic Drug Ban This Week [Re: teamkiller]
    #15484122 - 12/08/11 04:32 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

All the ketamine I've been offered has originated from veterinarian bottles of liquid solution.  Honestly, I thought that was more popular than not.


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Re: Synthetic Drug Ban This Week [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #15484128 - 12/08/11 04:36 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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All the ketamine I've been offered has originated from veterinarian bottles of liquid solution.  Honestly, I thought that was more popular than not.





for the past couple years, quite a bit of it around where i was, was diverted before being medically packaged.

I made like 2 posts on it now, but i got a couple batches that were wildly different feeling from the same source.  Gave me a lot of paranoid questions.

Like if you're in a factory in india that makes 10,000kg a month, and you steal 100kg a month to sell black market.
Lets say you make a batch of 50kg that comes out all fucked up.  Like only 80% pure (and 20% mystery chemicals????)
do you then just sell it on the black market with the other shit you already sell there?

Scarey shit man.  like i said, i already asked a couple times on here about precursors and degradation products, but no one responded.

edit:  Also like what happens with failed synths? do you get shit thats supposed to be ketamine but winds up something totally different?  I know that can happen with some chemicals, LSD for instance.

Fuck man, thats an RC scene that needs to explode.  You know there are like 6-8 known LSD analogs that are potent and supposedly awesome, but pretty much no one bothers to make because to make them you have to do pretty much the same process as make lsd?


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Re: Synthetic Drug Ban This Week [Re: teamkiller]
    #15484138 - 12/08/11 04:42 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

if its being made by a real chemist working in a real lab theyre not selling it impurely.

maybe if you buy ketamine made by some random guy in his garage. but i cant say ive ever heard of someone being busted with a ketamine lab in their house so..... yea.

hell, even if my ketamine was impure i would be doing it anyway.

and if your ketamine is impure its probably the guy after the chemist and the wholesale distributor who is making it impure by cutting it. but its like that with all drugs you buy from joe schmoe out on the street anyway so unless youre getting sealed vials you cant say for sure what is actually in your ketamine.


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Re: Synthetic Drug Ban This Week [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #15484149 - 12/08/11 04:47 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Well we can still get it if we have the connect right?  It sucks living in texas, my state is the first to ban everything.


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Re: Synthetic Drug Ban This Week [Re: tospace]
    #15484151 - 12/08/11 04:48 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

get what?


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Re: Synthetic Drug Ban This Week [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #15484154 - 12/08/11 04:50 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

:noyoudidawet: for ketamine "chemists" don't make it really.  You watch breaking bad, they just dump shit into machines in a sequence.

I don't know about ketamine in particular, but with some stuff, something stupid like "oh this only got up to 70c instead of 80c" or "whoops, air got into this one"  you can wind up with a totally different chemical.

If you're the guy at the factory that steals 100-1000kg of ketamine a month, are you really going to feel bad about selling a bad batch?

i dunno, these are just fears.  They're reasonable, but i have no evidence for them other than a subjective difference in experience between different samples of racimic i get from people.


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Re: Synthetic Drug Ban This Week [Re: teamkiller]
    #15484161 - 12/08/11 04:52 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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:noyoudidawet: for ketamine "chemists" don't make it really.  You watch breaking bad, they just dump shit into machines in a sequence.

I don't know about ketamine in particular, but with some stuff, something stupid like "oh this only got up to 70c instead of 80c" or "whoops, air got into this one"  you can wind up with a totally different chemical.

If you're the guy at the factory that steals 100-1000kg of ketamine a month, are you really going to feel bad about selling a bad batch?

i dunno, these are just fears.  They're reasonable, but i have no evidence for them other than a subjective difference in experience between different samples of racimic i get from people.




yea and theyre making medicine.

they put it in machines and make a fuckton of it and then purify it.

youre watching too much breaking bad because you think they just take shit right out of the vats and then sell it. it doesnt work like that.

they dont make tylenol in huge ass vats and then just ship it off right from that point. that stuff has to be as pure as possible before they use it.


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Re: Synthetic Drug Ban This Week [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #15484167 - 12/08/11 04:54 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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get what?



The illigal shit.

I already did it.  all spice was baned in my state but I got a connect: :smilingpuppy:


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Re: Synthetic Drug Ban This Week [Re: teamkiller]
    #15484171 - 12/08/11 04:55 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Man I really need to get some nootropic's. Which would you guys recommend?
I know piracetam is pretty popular, but I was actually looking at aniracetam.

Is it essential to supplement with choline? I already eat a lot of eggs (with the yolk).


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Re: Synthetic Drug Ban This Week [Re: tospace]
    #15484173 - 12/08/11 04:55 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

yea, im sure you will still be able to get it. just like you can get anything else online.

it just wont be as easy anymore.


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Re: Synthetic Drug Ban This Week [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #15484190 - 12/08/11 04:59 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

yeah man for the medical stuff.  I'm talking about the stuff that gets made at the factory, but never goes into bottles for vets and hospitals, and possibly isn't held to any sort of standard.

I think there is alot more diverted stuff around than you'd think, just because the absolute cheapest you're gonna get on vials is like 15/g if you're buying a ton.  The powder straight from the factory goes for way less than that (or did, at least before the law change over there).


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