Home | Community | Message Board



Please support our sponsors.

General Interest >> Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology

Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Amazon Shop: Scales, Terrence McKenna

Jump to first unread post. Pages: 1
Offlinerecalcitrant
My Own God

Registered: 04/20/02
Posts: 2,927
Loc: Canada West
Last seen: 1 year, 16 days
Time as a displacement of energy.
    #1548015 - 05/14/03 01:51 PM (14 years, 14 days ago)

So I was at work, bored, and thinking about time travel.

I was thinking, OK, if I want to manipulate time, I would have to figure out what it is first. So what is time?

I was thinking that if the small parts of matter are all identical, like bricks in a building, and not unique like snowflakes, then time can be measured by the displacement of energy in the system and could probably be manipulated.

If you take something and isolate it, remove all energy from the system (absolute zero would have to be reached here i guess) then came back to it in a hundred years, no part of it would be changed. No forces were allowed to act on it, so no changes could have occured. So, time stoped for that thing for a hundred years, ostensibly.

Now, if you took a system and observed all of the energy over a given time, and then were somehow able to reverse all of the energies in that system, then to the observer outside the system, time inside would reverse. All the energy and matter would be returning to a configuration it already had at one point.

Trick is to be able to identify all parts of the system and be able to control the energy , AND make sure not one single atom is out of place.

BUt, atoms arent the smallest sample of matter even we can identify, and we dont really know the praxis of quarks, how they move, how to manipulate them.


And really, I'm not sure it could really be called time travel. SUre, everything is relative, and if time is infinit then "now" is always in the centre of the timeline.
past infinitely-----------now------------future infinitely

so if we did this proceedure, the system would still exist in NOW the whole time the experiment was happening, only any observer inside the system would not be able to see anything going on outside. You couldnt sit in the machine and watch time go by really fast by slowing the energy inside the system. Well, traveling into the future would be as easy as conserving all the energy in a system, maybe slowing it down close to absolute zero, but going backwards you would need to know the setup of matter and energy for all the time you want to go backwards, and that would be kind of useless since we could only travel back in time to the point where you started documenting where the matter and energy is.

BUT if we did that on a super big scale somehow, we could probably isolate certain systems withing the large system and have time stop, accelerate, go backwards for anything we wanted. Providing we knew where all the energy was.

No?


--------------------

We have to answer our own prayers


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineMurex
Reality Hacker

Registered: 07/28/02
Posts: 3,599
Loc: Traped in a shell.
Last seen: 9 years, 8 months
Re: Time as a displacement of energy. [Re: recalcitrant]
    #1548177 - 05/14/03 02:51 PM (14 years, 14 days ago)

No.





.....but good try.


--------------------
What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?



Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineDeiymiyan
I AM

Registered: 04/17/03
Posts: 656
Loc: Within the Realm of Imagi...
Last seen: 7 years, 9 months
Re: Time as a displacement of energy. [Re: recalcitrant]
    #1548569 - 05/14/03 05:27 PM (14 years, 13 days ago)

Interesting post.
------------------

"Now, if you took a system and observed all of the energy over a given time, and then were somehow able to reverse all of the energies in that system, then to the observer outside the system, time inside would reverse. All the energy and matter would be returning to a configuration it already had at one point."
------------------

That part sounds reasonable....  however... I wouldn't say over a given time, rather over a given period...  [ sounds the same, but it could get confusing otherwise ]....  LOL...  I dig how yu said: " ...and then were SOMEHOW  able to reverse ..."  ...lol  :grin:


And I'll agree with you that it is quite relative....  But relative to "now", I'd say that all the parts are unique like snowflakes...  and not same like bricks.


Also....  concerning this statement: "You couldnt sit in the machine and watch time go by really fast by slowing the energy inside the system." ....  I strongly disagree with you...  :tongue: 

They key in what I just said, relates to where the "machine" is located... And I'm not meaning that it is volumewise located outside of the system...



"BUT if we did that on a super big scale somehow..."
And...  so tell me on what kind of a "bigger" scale you are talking about...

Oh... and lol ... for saying "somehow" again.....  lol


... Ya....  this was an interesting read....    :grin:

 


--------------------


Dei Gratia de integro,

Veni Vidi Vici:

In Nomine Domini..



Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibletrendalM
point of inflection
Male User Gallery

Registered: 04/17/01
Posts: 19,798
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Re: Time as a displacement of energy. [Re: recalcitrant]
    #1548736 - 05/14/03 06:18 PM (14 years, 13 days ago)

What is Time?

It's the same as lenght, width, and height. It's a dimension.

I would define time as "the distance between two events".


--------------------
BTC - 1KqrSHZ1C3NsQP4g3PkHhppBnhdgyXr6sB


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Anonymous

Re: Time as a displacement of energy. [Re: trendal]
    #1548826 - 05/14/03 06:56 PM (14 years, 13 days ago)

That's assuming time is linear, which is how WE experience it, but that may only be because of the way our consciousness interprets it.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibletrendalM
point of inflection
Male User Gallery

Registered: 04/17/01
Posts: 19,798
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Re: Time as a displacement of energy. [Re: ]
    #1548875 - 05/14/03 07:25 PM (14 years, 13 days ago)

Time is not linear at all.

To call it linear would mean that it runs in a straight line.

Except time does not "run" or "flow" anywhere.

Time is constant. Static. It is not a variable to be manipulated at will.

The "passage of time" as we percieve it is probably nothing more than an effect of conciousness.

Look at physics. Time is treated the same as spatial distance in many ways.


--------------------
BTC - 1KqrSHZ1C3NsQP4g3PkHhppBnhdgyXr6sB


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlinepsychopsilocyber
[_381_] gnemo

Registered: 12/11/02
Posts: 1,020
Loc: glyphtown
Last seen: 4 years, 6 months
Re: Time as a displacement of energy. [Re: recalcitrant]
    #1548880 - 05/14/03 07:26 PM (14 years, 13 days ago)

I'm thinking of how you could learn about quarks... Maybe seperate each particle in an atom, which can be done, and then do certain things to them to get em to split. Each particle in an atom is made up of 3 quarks, and which quarks make it up determine the properties of the particle in the atom. I think there are many more ways than assembling quarks than we know of, but what does my opinion matter? Anyway you take say a proton and seperate the 3 quarks somehow, maybe you need absolute zero and then play with magnetics and electricity I dont know I'm no physicist. You then devide the 3 quarks from the neutron, and then the electron, and begin mixing these 9 samples of them and see what you get. I probly dont know what I'm talking about though.


--------------------
Eco friendly extraction is the only way to go for Dmt, mescaline, and iboga


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlinerecalcitrant
My Own God

Registered: 04/20/02
Posts: 2,927
Loc: Canada West
Last seen: 1 year, 16 days
Re: Time as a displacement of energy. [Re: trendal]
    #1549714 - 05/15/03 01:43 AM (14 years, 13 days ago)

Quote:



I would define time as "the distance between two events".




I am saying that maybe time can be measured by the energy displacement between two events.


--------------------

We have to answer our own prayers


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlinepsychopsilocyber
[_381_] gnemo

Registered: 12/11/02
Posts: 1,020
Loc: glyphtown
Last seen: 4 years, 6 months
Re: Time as a displacement of energy. [Re: recalcitrant]
    #1549735 - 05/15/03 01:48 AM (14 years, 13 days ago)

Go to the McKenna link in my sig and listen to "syntax of psychedelic time."


--------------------
Eco friendly extraction is the only way to go for Dmt, mescaline, and iboga


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineRhizoid
carbon unit
Male

Registered: 01/23/00
Posts: 1,722
Loc: Europe
Last seen: 1 day, 22 minutes
Re: Time as a displacement of energy. [Re: recalcitrant]
    #1550047 - 05/15/03 03:12 AM (14 years, 13 days ago)

Well, energy is proportional to frequency, which is the inverse of time. And frequency can't be defined except in relation to some other frequency (called a "clock"), and this relation varies depending on your relative state of motion and your position in a gravitational field. This can be used to make a time capsule where time passes more slowly. But in order to go backwards in time you need to take a path in spacetime that causes the phase oscillations of all the quarks and electrons in your body to be reversed. This is presumably very hard, but not out of the question according to theory. You just need to construct a wormhole with openings in the same position in space, but with the entry point placed at later position in time than the exit point.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Jump to top. Pages: 1

Amazon Shop: Scales, Terrence McKenna

General Interest >> Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology

Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* .
( 1 2 all )
soulcircus 2,256 21 07/04/06 02:33 AM
by slaphappy
* Law of Conservation of Energy and The Afterlife
( 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 all )
OrgoneConclusion 8,022 127 10/19/07 01:48 PM
by fireworks_god
* Existance, a projection of energy OmEgAx1 912 8 05/29/05 03:40 PM
by OmEgAx1
* The Fall, Atlantis, Wormwood, Energy Anonymous 739 1 11/29/01 08:34 PM
by Timeleech
* There is a limited amount of energy.. get yours while supplies last
( 1 2 all )
Mixomatosis 1,522 23 01/12/05 03:43 AM
by Zekebomb
* misCONCEPTions involving science; energy doesn't exist
( 1 2 3 all )
kaiowas 2,571 41 01/14/04 04:34 PM
by kaiowas
* energy doesn't exist
( 1 2 all )
kaiowas 1,521 21 07/19/04 11:10 PM
by trendal
* Patent granted on Free Energy Device!
( 1 2 all )
Anonymous 2,213 20 04/17/02 10:24 PM
by Anonymous

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Middleman, CosmicJoke, Jokeshopbeard, DividedQuantum
786 topic views. 1 members, 10 guests and 10 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Toggle Favorite | Print Topic | Stats ]
Search this thread:
FreeSpores.com
Please support our sponsors.

Copyright 1997-2017 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.041 seconds spending 0.009 seconds on 18 queries.