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Re: possible copelandia cyanescens, UK? [Re: Ieponumos]
    #15474327 - 12/06/11 01:42 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

They certainly look very Panaeolus-y. I think the substrate is a compost heap, possibly with manure mixed in. That is an outrageous photo with all that bluing!


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Re: possible copelandia cyanescens, UK? [Re: suchen]
    #15474822 - 12/06/11 03:30 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I've heard rumours of more exotic spcies surviving in the South West of the UK whose weather conditions are much warmer and milder, more akin to the North of France. Couldn't really envisage such species lasting long in the wider UK though.


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Re: possible copelandia cyanescens, UK? [Re: Ieponumos]
    #15475020 - 12/06/11 04:08 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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It looks like wood chips that they're coming out of, despite his description of the habitat being dung/pastures.





They are probably stable shavings.  The west coast is way out of the temperature range that Panaeolus cyanescens likes, but several people have found Copelandia bispora there.  It would be interesting to check the herbarium deposit for 2 spored basidia.


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Re: possible copelandia cyanescens, UK? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #15476449 - 12/06/11 08:59 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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but now that i look at this Micael Beug pic it doesnt look like Pan cyans to me at all. what about you ?

http://www.svims.ca/council/Panaeo.htm



That pic doesn't look like Pan cyanenscens to me either. It looks much closer to Pan cinctulus.




Could be that bluing strain of P. cinctulus or perhaps something undescribed. I will admit that the stem is meatier and the still hydrated caps too dark for cyans, but that bluing is so intense. If those are subbs, they are some of the most potent ones in this world.

Now that I look at it though, one thing that really seems off is the picture of the surrounding habitat.

It looks like wood chips that they're coming out of, despite his description of the habitat being dung/pastures.





I agree, either cinctuls or something new.

you would think this guy would have checked it out
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It looks like wood chips that they're coming out of, despite his description of the habitat being dung/pastures.





They are probably stable shavings.  The west coast is way out of the temperature range that Panaeolus cyanescens likes, but several people have found Copelandia bispora there.  It would be interesting to check the herbarium deposit for 2 spored basidia.





who made those finds and how do you know they were Copelandia bispora? a Coplandia of any species found in the PNW is an exciting thing and VERY out of the ordinary!

Stamets says he id'd a mushroom from Tenino WA that HE SAID was Copelandia cyanescen . the owner bought horses fron Florida and the mushrooms died out after 2 years! pg 75 of PMOTW.
dont you think he would have looked at it under a scope and would have noticed if it had 2 spored basidia instead of 4 ? C cyanescen  indistinguishable from C bispora nacroscopically correct? and isnt C bispora from north africa?? maybe he didnt even look and you are correct Alan.


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Re: possible copelandia cyanescens, UK? [Re: psylosymonreturns]
    #15476509 - 12/06/11 09:08 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I live in the warmest part of the UK and I've looked in loads of cow and horse dwelling fields in the last 5 or 6 years, and I've never found any copes, personally, or heard of anyone finding any.


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Re: possible copelandia cyanescens, UK? [Re: elprawn]
    #15476574 - 12/06/11 09:18 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

ya its not something one could look for, more something you may fluke out and bump into one day.


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Re: possible copelandia cyanescens, UK? [Re: psylosymonreturns]
    #15476603 - 12/06/11 09:22 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

It is probably just something someone lied about to make themselves sounds cooler than they really are.
"O look it's an active panaeolus, the only logical conclusion is it must be copelandia cyanescens."


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Re: possible copelandia cyanescens, UK? [Re: psylosymonreturns]
    #15476830 - 12/06/11 09:56 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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dont you think he would have looked at it under a scope and would have noticed if it had 2 spored basidia instead of 4 ? C cyanescen  indistinguishable from C bispora nacroscopically correct? and isnt C bispora from north africa?? maybe he didnt even look and you are correct Alan.




Correct, all members of Panaeolus, section Copelandia are identifiable only under the scope.

C. tropicalis is primarily distributed in Africa.

It would be interesting to see these in greater depth.


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Re: possible copelandia cyanescens, UK? [Re: Ieponumos]
    #15478026 - 12/07/11 02:19 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I'm also in the warmest part of the UK and having hunted for shrooms in many fields for over 10 years i can also say ive never come across any dung related shrooms


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Re: possible copelandia cyanescens, UK? [Re: psylosymonreturns]
    #15478267 - 12/07/11 03:35 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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who made those finds and how do you know they were Copelandia bispora?




http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10357885#10357885
http://mushroomobserver.org/21080
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8890525#8890525


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a Coplandia of any species found in the PNW is an exciting thing and VERY out of the ordinary!




It has been reported before more than twice.

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Stamets says he id'd a mushroom from Tenino WA that HE SAID was Copelandia cyanescen . the owner bought horses fron Florida and the mushrooms died out after 2 years! pg 75 of PMOTW.
dont you think he would have looked at it under a scope




Absolutely not.

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and would have noticed if it had 2 spored basidia instead of 4 ?





Stamets?  Are you kidding?

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C cyanescen  indistinguishable from C bispora nacroscopically correct?





It is more of an olive color and macroscopically resembles a strongly bluing Panaeolus cinctulus.  It likes horse dung and grass and fruits from San Diego to Washington.

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and isnt C bispora from north africa??




It grows there too.

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maybe he didnt even look and you are correct Alan.




Stamets usually doesn't check microscopic features.


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Re: possible copelandia cyanescens, UK? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #15478894 - 12/07/11 08:59 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

wow that is friggin cool, nice find Lipa!!!

well thanks for the links alan! that is a sweet find! i definetly didnt see that one!

i highly doubt they grow up this high but i will definetly keep my eyes on the Pans!!


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Re: possible copelandia cyanescens, UK? [Re: psylosymonreturns]
    #15478939 - 12/07/11 09:20 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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i highly doubt they grow up this high but i will definetly keep my eyes on the Pans!!




It probably does, Panaeolus bispora has been recorded from Washington.


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