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Re: Ecstasy users' brains show toxic effects [CAN] [Re: Shpongle1]
    #15482066 - 12/07/11 07:09 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Shpongle1 said:
I don't know what's in those capsules but I'm 100% sure that other shit is molly.




Agreed.

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Shpongle1 said: And (not to be a dick, just for education purposes), you don't extract MDA from safrole oil.  It's simply a precursor.



Thanks. No offense taken :smile:

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Re: Ecstasy users' brains show toxic effects [CAN] [Re: Rewindicus]
    #15485040 - 12/08/11 10:18 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Rewindicus said:
totally but its just ironic that alot of the people that swear up an down that rolls an drying your brain out all the time has no long term issues are usually the ones that behind their backs are referred to as the Etards/Burnouts/Fryheads.

from the beginning when i was 16 an had my first roll i never said i would let it get out of control because i had seen from my peers what it was doin to them when they abused it. nowadays alot of those same friends are on anti-depressants fucking 23/24/25 year olds that honestly have nothing to be depressed about (good jobs/homelifes/relationships ect) on meds! its kinda crazy.

please no flaming i realize alot of people on this site are on all kinds of meds an you got your own reasons for being on em but these kids really dont have anything to be depressed about and i know them well enough to say that. I think a large part of it us due to 8+ years of multiple weekly uses of drugs. but im no doctor of course just a theory.  :shrug:





Being depressed is not the same as a depression and depression is not just caused by bad things in ones life.  Having a good job, good homelife and relationships, you can still have depression.  There are people who take meds their entire lives due to brain chamical imbalance.

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Re: Ecstasy users' brains show toxic effects [CAN] [Re: Shpongle1]
    #15485073 - 12/08/11 10:26 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Shpongle1 said:
I don't know what's in those capsules but I'm 100% sure that other shit is molly.  And (not to be a dick, just for education purposes), you don't extract MDA from safrole oil.  It's simply a precursor.





Your 100% sure BY A PHOTOGRAPH that it's MDMA and not rock salt?  I have a bin of rock salt in front of my building that looks just like that first picture so there is no way to tell exactly what it is based on the appearance.

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Re: Ecstasy users' brains show toxic effects [CAN] [Re: digitalemu]
    #15485375 - 12/08/11 11:40 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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digitalemu said:
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Shpongle1 said:
I don't know what's in those capsules but I'm 100% sure that other shit is molly.  And (not to be a dick, just for education purposes), you don't extract MDA from safrole oil.  It's simply a precursor.





Your 100% sure BY A PHOTOGRAPH that it's MDMA and not rock salt?  I have a bin of rock salt in front of my building that looks just like that first picture so there is no way to tell exactly what it is based on the appearance.




:lol:  It's molly, end of story.  That's all I was saying and that's all I am saying.


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There are more people imprisoned for the commission of drug offenses in the United States - close to 500,000 - than are incarcerated in England, France, Germany, and Japan for all crimes combined.  Examined in another way, the United States has 100,000 more people incarcerated for nonviolent drug offenses than all the countries of the European Union combined, despite the fact that the European Union has 100 million more citizens. :crankey: 

- "Drugs and Drug Policy: The Control of Consciousness Alteration, 2007.

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Re: Ecstasy users' brains show toxic effects [CAN] [Re: Shpongle1]
    #15485938 - 12/08/11 01:35 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

i'll test some SamueLjackson
..if any might be avalible for purchase or trade...
......since your sick of it as you say....
hopefully whatever it is/was has fixed itself in your head dude.
read lotta your posts and your a good member.
so sassofrassa oil/ extract is far more damaging than just MDA/MDMA and what not? for the longest while i thoguht it was what made MDA/MDMA

atleast the powders...i believe most pressies are everything except MDA/MDMA, even the cleaner feeling rolls. the chem has been black listed for too long


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Re: Ecstasy users' brains show toxic effects [CAN] [Re: Scudreloaded]
    #15486036 - 12/08/11 01:57 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Scudreloaded said:
so sassofrassa oil/ extract is far more damaging than just MDA/MDMA and what not?




No, it's just that MDA has been shown to be more toxic than MDMA.  All the talk about "extracting" anything is gibberish or misunderstandings.  MDA is MDA, there's no "extracted MDA" vs "synthesized MDA". 

I think the confusion is that you extract safrole oil, which you then modify through a lengthy process to synthesize MDA or MDMA, with MDA typically believed to be more neurotoxic.


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There are more people imprisoned for the commission of drug offenses in the United States - close to 500,000 - than are incarcerated in England, France, Germany, and Japan for all crimes combined.  Examined in another way, the United States has 100,000 more people incarcerated for nonviolent drug offenses than all the countries of the European Union combined, despite the fact that the European Union has 100 million more citizens. :crankey: 

- "Drugs and Drug Policy: The Control of Consciousness Alteration, 2007.

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Re: Ecstasy users' brains show toxic effects [CAN] [Re: Shpongle1]
    #15486279 - 12/08/11 02:41 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

MDA is a more visual thing so oddly it don't surprise me its a lil more damaging


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Re: Ecstasy users' brains show toxic effects [CAN] [Re: Scudreloaded]
    #15486553 - 12/08/11 03:30 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

LSD is more visual and is a lil less damaging.

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Re: Ecstasy users' brains show toxic effects [CAN] [Re: AUX]
    #15487008 - 12/08/11 04:47 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

im very UNSUREif lsd can be damaging..
ive felt the sizzle feeling your head gets...
drank horrendously on LSD and woken up feeling normal.

but the thing we call afterglow, may be an indicator or that it is damaging.
fucked up the reward receptors atleast.
LSA /LSD make me feel sorta wiped out for around a full week
if the party ends....


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Re: Ecstasy users' brains show toxic effects [CAN] [Re: Scudreloaded]
    #15533473 - 12/18/11 02:43 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Scudreloaded said:
i believe most pressies are everything except MDA/MDMA, even the cleaner feeling rolls. the chem has been black listed for too long






Not true at all. There are always a LOT of extremely strong (150mg+) pills in Europe, some of which will inevitably make it to the states, and we have our US pills (pokeballs, mints, etc) with around 50-85mg MDMA apiece. The chemical itself is relatively easily synthesized, and as long as there is demand (forever) the chemical will not cease to exist. Most people pressing pills with MDMA will not add anything active other than maybe caffeine to keep the customers satisfied. People won't notice/appreciate the MDMA if its being overpowered by a higher dose of another drug. Also, some people want a little bit (~5:1 MDMA:meth) of meth to keep them dancing, but there are more pills containing just MDMA than MDMA+_____

Obviously there can be copycats of pills, and bunk/pipe/methbombs, but the ability to know that a pressed pill found in your area contains MDMA/MDA via pillreports or e-data makes taking pressed pills safer than taking molly for those without testing kits or a reliable, trustworthy source of clean moonrocks. It's a lot easier to cut powder than it is to cut a pill.


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Re: Ecstasy users' brains show toxic effects [CAN] [Re: pcplease]
    #15533535 - 12/18/11 03:33 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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pcplease said:
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Scudreloaded said:
i believe most pressies are everything except MDA/MDMA, even the cleaner feeling rolls. the chem has been black listed for too long






Not true at all. There are always a LOT of extremely strong (150mg+) pills in Europe, some of which will inevitably make it to the states, and we have our US pills (pokeballs, mints, etc) with around 50-85mg MDMA apiece. The chemical itself is relatively easily synthesized, and as long as there is demand (forever) the chemical will not cease to exist. Most people pressing pills with MDMA will not add anything active other than maybe caffeine to keep the customers satisfied. People won't notice/appreciate the MDMA if its being overpowered by a higher dose of another drug. Also, some people want a little bit (~5:1 MDMA:meth) of meth to keep them dancing, but there are more pills containing just MDMA than MDMA+_____

Obviously there can be copycats of pills, and bunk/pipe/methbombs, but the ability to know that a pressed pill found in your area contains MDMA/MDA via pillreports or e-data makes taking pressed pills safer than taking molly for those without testing kits or a reliable, trustworthy source of clean moonrocks. It's a lot easier to cut powder than it is to cut a pill.





pills are never spiked with meth or heroin like alot of people seem to believe. the amount of either drug needed to have effects be felt orally are way bigger than can fit in a pill. plus the cost for meth and heroin to be mixed into a pill that wouldnt give an effect orally anyways isnt economical and doesnt make sense anyways. Just sayin. i used to work for dance safe we did pill testing and not once did i ever see a pill come through with heroin or meth. caffeine yes. piperazines yes. bunk OH YES.


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Re: Ecstasy users' brains show toxic effects [CAN] [Re: Rewindicus]
    #15534604 - 12/18/11 11:47 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Rewindicus said:
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pcplease said:
Quote:

Scudreloaded said:
i believe most pressies are everything except MDA/MDMA, even the cleaner feeling rolls. the chem has been black listed for too long






Not true at all. There are always a LOT of extremely strong (150mg+) pills in Europe, some of which will inevitably make it to the states, and we have our US pills (pokeballs, mints, etc) with around 50-85mg MDMA apiece. The chemical itself is relatively easily synthesized, and as long as there is demand (forever) the chemical will not cease to exist. Most people pressing pills with MDMA will not add anything active other than maybe caffeine to keep the customers satisfied. People won't notice/appreciate the MDMA if its being overpowered by a higher dose of another drug. Also, some people want a little bit (~5:1 MDMA:meth) of meth to keep them dancing, but there are more pills containing just MDMA than MDMA+_____

Obviously there can be copycats of pills, and bunk/pipe/methbombs, but the ability to know that a pressed pill found in your area contains MDMA/MDA via pillreports or e-data makes taking pressed pills safer than taking molly for those without testing kits or a reliable, trustworthy source of clean moonrocks. It's a lot easier to cut powder than it is to cut a pill.





pills are never spiked with meth or heroin like alot of people seem to believe. the amount of either drug needed to have effects be felt orally are way bigger than can fit in a pill. plus the cost for meth and heroin to be mixed into a pill that wouldnt give an effect orally anyways isnt economical and doesnt make sense anyways. Just sayin. i used to work for dance safe we did pill testing and not once did i ever see a pill come through with heroin or meth. caffeine yes. piperazines yes. bunk OH YES.




Heroin, doubtful. But amphetamines, quite plausible.

http://www.pillreports.com/index.php?page=display_pill&id=28068
http://www.pillreports.com/index.php?page=display_pill&id=28050
http://www.pillreports.com/index.php?page=display_pill&id=28030


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Re: Ecstasy users' brains show toxic effects [CAN] *DELETED* [Re: Ieponumos]
    #15538205 - 12/19/11 03:34 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Ecstasy users' brains show toxic effects [CAN] [Re: NWlight]
    #15538289 - 12/19/11 04:39 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

:facepalm:

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Re: Ecstasy users' brains show toxic effects [CAN] [Re: John Nada]
    #15538299 - 12/19/11 04:52 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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StevenMichael said:
:facepalm:



wtf are you face-palming? I'm paying for my college tuition with money I made from slinging E tabs.  I know what I'm talking about.




....PS Dear Federal Government.  I am a compulsive liar seeking the approval of my peers.  I have no friends so i go on drug websites to impress the low-lives of the world who are the only ones who I can impress.


there, happy now ? :wink:


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Re: Ecstasy users' brains show toxic effects [CAN] [Re: NWlight]
    #15540083 - 12/19/11 02:03 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Bump.  You guys are claiming tons of BS and I'd like to hear a thought out response.


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Re: Ecstasy users' brains show toxic effects [CAN] [Re: NWlight]
    #15540239 - 12/19/11 02:43 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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NWlight said:
Bump.  You guys are claiming tons of BS and I'd like to hear a thought out response.





Who is claiming bs?

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