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Re: mods should delete drug porn post [Re: Papaver]
    #1546406 - 05/13/03 10:02 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Thats gorgeous, pap. Do you show?


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Re: mods should delete drug porn post [Re: entiformatie]
    #1546428 - 05/13/03 10:11 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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you know what peoples' problems tend to be? they focus on other peoples' problems instead of their own. Why don't you take a look at why this would bother you....




Hmmm, well the reason it bothers me so is because of the fact that I myself was perpetrated upon when I was a child. I am not trying to push my views upon anyone, unfortunately we do live in a country (USA) where people look at that and get aroused, you yourself said the girls aroused you because they were "cute". How many people do you think look have looked at that picture and have "wacked their pud"? Just because you haven't doesn't mean someone else won't. I don't think it should be arousing in any way , wether it's art or not. Their shouldn't be anything arousing about prepubescent girls. And I am not talking about the 16 year olds that dress like Britney Spears.





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Re: mods should delete drug porn post [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
    #1546429 - 05/13/03 10:12 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for posting my picture, papaver!
Now, if anyone ever wants to reference the original picture without receiving flames about them being a pedophile can use this instead!

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Re: mods should delete drug porn post [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
    #1546432 - 05/13/03 10:17 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Thats gorgeous, pap. Do you show? 




Thanks! :laugh:

I used to. It's what my degree is in, before I sold out to dot-com advertising. I'm starting to work again, and that's from a series of digital pieces I've been making to get my chops warmed up again. The weather here is beautiful, and I'm going to start producing a body of paintings for exhibition. I have several galleries that have expressed interest, and I need to get a body of work built up again to submit. :smile:

Making art, for me, is better then drugs! And I tend to be a better behaved little boy, when I am making art... :wink:


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Re: mods should delete drug porn post [Re: Ali]
    #1546440 - 05/13/03 10:19 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Hmmm, well the reason it bothers me so is because of the fact that I myself was perpetrated upon when I was a child.



I'm sorry to hear that, but this situation is a little different.

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I am not trying to push my views upon anyone, unfortunately we do live in a country (USA) where people look at that and get aroused, you yourself said the girls aroused you because they were "cute". How many people do you think look have looked at that picture and have "wacked their pud"?



Why does it matter? Live and let live.

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Just because you haven't doesn't mean someone else won't. I don't think it should be arousing in any way , wether it's art or not. Their shouldn't be anything arousing about prepubescent girls. And I am not talking about the 16 year olds that dress like Britney Spears.



First of all, I don't think 16 counts as "pre-pubescent." Second, different people get aroused by different things. There are lots of fetishes out there, and we shouldn't be so judgemental about that. It's just people who act out on those urges that are the problem.


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Re: mods should delete drug porn post [Re: JssMthrFcknChrst]
    #1546451 - 05/13/03 10:22 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Technically, even at 14, those girls aren't prepubescent. According to Merriam-Webster "the age at which puberty occurs often construed legally as 14 in boys and 12 in girls". Not saying its right to be attracted to them, just being a dick :smile:

Since there seems to be so many experts at identifing pedophiles in this thread, I have a question thats been bothering me for a few years. If a 14 year old boy masturbates to pictures of 14 year old girls, does that make him a pedophile? I mean, pedophilia is the peference of children as sex objects, is it unusual for a 14 year old to be attracted to girls of his own age group?


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Re: mods should delete drug porn post [Re: Papaver]
    #1546468 - 05/13/03 10:25 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Well I wouldn't call it selling out. Being an artist is tough, eh? There is a reason why you don't hear the term "starving stockbroker". :smirk: I miss making art, and haven't done any serious work in about 4 years, since I started college. Just no time. One of these days I'll pick up some oils again and hit the canvas. It's far better than any drug I could imagine. But for now I've got my music.


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Re: mods should delete drug porn post [Re: JssMthrFcknChrst]
    #1546489 - 05/13/03 10:31 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

> If a 14 year old boy masturbates to pictures of 14 year old girls, does that make him a pedophile?

No, that's cool!

Traci Lords and I are about the same age, and when she was underage making that porn, I thought she was the m4xx f4ct0r! Technically, she was underage, but since I was too, I think it was ok -- for me anyway. I have no regrets... :wink:

I think it is highly complicated, relative, and best taken on a case-by-case basis. I dunno it's just complicated, but I see the mushroom girls as something sweet and natural. Their picture doesn't fill me with lust in any way, but I also like the version with clothes on, as it solves the whole problem, and as an Admin, problem solving around here is what I live for! :grin:


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Re: mods should delete drug porn post [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
    #1546508 - 05/13/03 10:37 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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First of all, I don't think 16 counts as "pre-pubescent."



I said I WASN"T talking about the 16 year olds.

Yeah different strokes for different folks. I just think that maybe the men that molested me started out just thinking about it, then masturbating about it. Finally it wasn't enough for them to fantasize and they had to act upon it. I feel if one is of age then one can do whatever he or she sexually wants as long as it isn't hurting a kid. If your not harming a child fuck whatever and however you want.


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Re: mods should delete drug porn post [Re: Ali]
    #1546520 - 05/13/03 10:39 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Please don't quick reply somebody if you're not talking to them, especially if you're using a quote.


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Re: mods should delete drug porn post [Re: Ali]
    #1546547 - 05/13/03 10:48 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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I feel if one is of age then one can do whatever he or she sexually wants as long as it isn't hurting a kid. If your not harming a child fuck whatever and however you want.




I agree. A child, or an innocent animal... :frown:

However, I don't find the "shroom girls" to be personally, lust-provoking, or offensive, but as an Admin, I have to agree with no underage nudity, as it just creates problems. And come on now, we don't need any more problems around here -- right people? :laugh:

PS: IFB, I agree with you about quick reply. I wish they'd just get rid of the damned thing.  It's damned confusing... :crazy:


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Re: mods should delete drug porn post [Re: Ali]
    #1546580 - 05/13/03 10:58 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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First of all, I don't think 16 counts as "pre-pubescent."



I said I WASN"T talking about the 16 year olds.

Yeah different strokes for different folks. I just think that maybe the men that molested me started out just thinking about it, then masturbating about it. Finally it wasn't enough for them to fantasize and they had to act upon it. I feel if one is of age then one can do whatever he or she sexually wants as long as it isn't hurting a kid. If your not harming a child fuck whatever and however you want.



It's all a matter of self-control. There are many would-be pedophiles who have enough restraint to know not to act out on their fantasies. Lewis Carrol, author of Alice in Wonderland, is believed to have been like this. I don't think looking at porn makes you lose any self-control. As for fantasizing, they probably do that whether or not they watch porn.


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Re: mods should delete drug porn post [Re: Ali]
    #1547528 - 05/14/03 08:45 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't think it should be arousing in any way , wether it's art or not. Their shouldn't be anything arousing about prepubescent girls.




And what are your qualifications, to decide what's right or wrong? By the way, nice sig., a cute, underage girl using drugs.


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Re: mods should delete drug porn post [Re: Ali]
    #1547741 - 05/14/03 11:30 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I have a question. If I posted a picture of some of the naked baby pictures of me, would that instantly be objectionable?
A bit off topic, but relates to this matter, I recall Marilyn Manson's first album was going to have some pictures of him naked as a wee boy, but they wouldn't let him use it and accused him of having problems and the whole thing was met with disgust (they all thought he was trying to put kiddie porn in his album). He said something along the lines of "If people out there found these pictures arousing, perhaps THEY are the ones with the problem".
Basically, that picture is fairly innocent, nothing sexual at all about it, so why the big fuss? The human body is nothing to be disgusted about.


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Re: mods should delete drug porn post [Re: Sheepish]
    #1548101 - 05/14/03 02:22 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Why delete a whole thread based on one pic?




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Re: mods should delete drug porn post [Re: silversoul7]
    #1548129 - 05/14/03 02:28 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Agreed. There is nothing immoral or illegal about ANY kind of fantasy, it's the act that makes something illegal. What exactly was 'wrong' about that picture? Would it have been any less 'wrong' if the picture hadn't been taken? After all, people would still have seen them naked. Should naturists walk around nudist camps with their eyes closed in case they become aroused by a member of the opposite sex? Where do you draw the line?


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Re: mods should delete drug porn post [Re: Sheepish]
    #1549085 - 05/14/03 09:06 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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I have a question. If I posted a picture of some of the naked baby pictures of me, would that instantly be objectionable?
A bit off topic, but relates to this matter, I recall Marilyn Manson's first album was going to have some pictures of him naked as a wee boy, but they wouldn't let him use it and accused him of having problems and the whole thing was met with disgust (they all thought he was trying to put kiddie porn in his album). He said something along the lines of "If people out there found these pictures arousing, perhaps THEY are the ones with the problem".
Basically, that picture is fairly innocent, nothing sexual at all about it, so why the big fuss? The human body is nothing to be disgusted about.



I wonder why there wasn't as much controversy when Nirvana released Nevermind with a naked baby picture on it.


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Re: mods should delete drug porn post [Re: silversoul7]
    #5040317 - 12/09/05 06:26 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

So, if I have a video of me fucking my girlfriend when I was 16 and she was 15, is that kiddie porn? And I HAVE cranked it looking at that pic. bithces.


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Re: mods should delete drug porn post [Re: InjectTruth]
    #5040434 - 12/09/05 06:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

no it's not kiddie porn. it's illegal, but who gives a fuck about legality on this site? (rhetorical question of course)

kiddie porn involves KIDS .... that stuff is fucked up.... okay... but a bunch of consenting teenagers making videos of themselves or whoring themselves on cameras... that's their choice, often times these kids are above the age of consent (in some states it ranges from 13-14 even!) so what's the biggie?

The 18 years old law is good for those who produce pornography via industry, but as far as those soliciting "pornography" of themselves.... that's their fucking choice. A 15 year old shouldn't be arrested because she posted naked pictures of herself on the internet... that's ridiculous! and yet it has happened.

I mean what are you going to do as the next step, go out and arrest every teenage couple that fornicates? By the time I was in middle school people were getting laid all the time, some younger than 13.

Hell I wanted to get laid at 13 [minus confused feelings about religion]. Hell I was in fucking HIGH SCHOOL at age 13!

I'm not sure what I"m trying to say... I don't think teenagers should be allowed to star in porn and be exploited by horny adults, but if teenagers post/make videos or pictures of themselves for their own amusement, and maybe send them to people..... that shouldn't be a big deal. They shouldn't be sending that shit to old adults and perverts and what have you..... age of consent should probably apply but... yeah... I dunno.

I guess my main point is that if the age of consent can be 14, 13, however low the states want it..... why is posessing pictures of girls at those same ages illegal? Where are the standards?


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Re: mods should delete drug porn post [Re: leery11]
    #5040442 - 12/09/05 06:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

This thread is 2 years old people..


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