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Re: Identification Help with Possible A. Muscaria [Re: ]
    #1546333 - 05/13/03 09:40 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

They look like muscarias to me.

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Re: Identification Help with Possible A. Muscaria [Re: ]
    #1546422 - 05/13/03 10:08 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, I think they are too.

They do have a different appearance to those of which that I have found.


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Re: Identification Help with Possible A. Muscaria [Re: angryshroom]
    #1546644 - 05/13/03 11:26 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Those definately appear to be A. muscaria.

I am not sure on the differences btween variants but i believe they are all safe for consumption at normal doses. don't take my word for it though, unless someone more adept at identification and more familliar with the species agrees.


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Re: Identification Help with Possible A. Muscaria [Re: ]
    #1546646 - 05/13/03 11:27 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Those look like Amanita muscaria var. muscaria. In the third photo I see you've broken the bottom off the stem. The bottom of the stem is very important for accurate identification of Amanitas. In the future you should take care to get the entire bottom of the stem.

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Re: Identification Help with Possible A. Muscaria [Re: ToxicMan]
    #1547538 - 05/14/03 08:51 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I read that one of the characteristic marks is that if you cut the hat, the flesh immediately under the red skin is yellow.
Is this true?


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Re: Identification Help with Possible A. Muscaria [Re: Anno]
    #1547626 - 05/14/03 10:16 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I haven't seen it in the books, but you're correct - every time I've cut one it's yellow just under the red. Where did you read it?

One of the important features for identification is that the volva consists of several rings of tissue near the base of the stem.


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Re: Identification Help with Possible A. Muscaria [Re: ToxicMan]
    #1547842 - 05/14/03 12:18 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

>Where did you read it?

Here:



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Re: Identification Help with Possible A. Muscaria [Re: Anno]
    #1547939 - 05/14/03 01:10 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Is there a poisonous Amanita lookalike native to the "new world"? I think my giraffe once told me he found a red mushroom in Guatemala which looked like an Amanita, that turned out to be highly toxic. Its fortunate he survived. Anyone know what it might have been mistaken for?


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Re: Identification Help with Possible A. Muscaria [Re: mkc414]
    #1548034 - 05/14/03 01:56 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

At least in the US (and Canada and Northern Mexico) there isn't a lookalike for the red-capped varieties of Amanita muscaria. I haven't studied the mushrooms of Guatemala so it's possible.

On the other hand, Amanita muscaria is plenty poisonous already. Poison Centers get lots of calls for poisonings by it. Lots of people think they're going to get high like with psilocybin mushrooms and discover that it's not remotely like that and often includes symptoms like nausea, vomiting, ataxia, and progressive, deep, coma-like sleep. Since the symptoms are often very different (and unpleasant) from what was expected, people who have consumed them sometimes think they have been poisoned and may die. It's very possible that this is what was experienced.

Eating any Amanita without being certain of the species is a way to get yourself very sick and possibly dead. This is exactly why the Amanitas are the most dangerous mushrooms in the world, killing more people than any others.

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Re: Identification Help with Possible A. Muscaria [Re: ]
    #1548670 - 05/14/03 05:57 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I'd be interested in seeing a reference to that. Where did you read that?

Checking Dr Denis Benjamin's book (Mushrooms - Poisons and Panaceas) gives no references to any use of Amanita muscaria in that way.

Incidentally, the only other conspicuously red-capped Amanita I can think of in this area of the world is Amanita caesarea (and its close relatives) which is edible..

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Re: Identification Help with Possible A. Muscaria [Re: ToxicMan]
    #1548740 - 05/14/03 06:19 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

>I'd be interested in seeing a reference to that. Where did you read that?

http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/23637


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Re: Identification Help with Possible A. Muscaria [Re: Anno]
    #1548767 - 05/14/03 06:29 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Ok - joke's on me. Read the FAQ. Duh.

A very interesting description. I know some people here in Denver who would be interested in that.


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Re: Identification Help with Possible A. Muscaria (new pics) [Re: ]
    #1549743 - 05/15/03 01:49 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Yellow stalk?
That would indicate Amanita caesarea. But the other things don?t fit it well....
http://botit.botany.wisc.edu/toms_fungi/mar2002.html


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Re: Identification Help with Possible A. Muscaria (new pics) [Re: Anno]
    #1549897 - 05/15/03 02:30 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

If it were going to be Amanita caesarea then the gills should be bright yellow to orange and there should be a conspicuous, cupllike volva around the base of the stem. I've only seen it once, and the specimen I saw was lacking the volva altogether - it only had a small basal bulb.

Overall, the small warts are wrong for A caesarea and point strongly to A muscaria.

Unfortunately, the photo of the stem base is out of focus, so I can't see any detail to tell anything from that photo.

Anno's ID guide is really good - photo 3 very clearly shows the multiple rows of volva material. I always forget he's in Europe - Austria, isn't it?


It must be time to go to bed. My typing skills are degenerating rapidly. I don't think the drinking is helping either.

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