Home | Community | Message Board


This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Kraken Kratom Shop: Red Vein Kratom

Jump to first unread post Pages: < Back | 1 | 2 | 3  [ show all ]
Offlinedshow
Nomad
 User Gallery


Registered: 01/22/09
Posts: 5,255
Last seen: 12 years, 2 months
Re: Research Chemicals vs. Natural Psychedelics [Re: felix4life]
    #15418885 - 11/24/11 06:52 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

that sounded fun:cookiemonster:


i want to get LOOOSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTTTT


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineheavymetalfreak10
I took the red pill
Male

Registered: 09/07/09
Posts: 49
Loc: USA
Last seen: 11 years, 4 months
Re: Research Chemicals vs. Natural Psychedelics [Re: dshow]
    #15423957 - 11/25/11 09:19 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I recently read this book called "Hardcore Zen", and the writer talks about people that use drugs to reach "enlightenment" or for "spiritual" purposes and he basically said this (I'm not directly quoting it, just paraphrasing and adding stuff) "some people argue that certain drugs, psychedelics, can help one reach enlightenment, the truth,w/ev you call it, but i disagree. Its like climbing a mountain, a guy can sit down and ingest a couple of tabs of acid, a few grams of shrooms, a couple pills of what ever and its like he gets in a helicopter and gets flown up to the summit of the mountain. sure he still sees the amazing view and experiences being at the top of the mountain. On the other hand, we have the mountain climber, who starts at the foot of the mountain and climbs his way up little by little, they both still see the top of the mountain and the beautiful view, but the climber, also enjoyed and loved every single view he had climbing the mountain, he was there for it and he worked for every single second, every view, every footprint in the snow was meaningful to him."
i think he pretty much nails the difference, but dont  get me wrong. I've had some pretty interesting experiences while tripping, I've reached a state of ego loss where i was everything, and well its hard to explain but i "understood" it all, but that faded. i still can logically and intellectually remember but the feeling is gone; it was just the drugs. the way i see it, is that psychedelics can give you a quick glimpse of what may be up there, the understanding or what ever you want to call it, but they're not a replacement for finding out by yourself on a sober, clear head.

but then again, they're all just random chemicals interacting with receptors in your brain and altering your brain chemistry. maybe all of this "spirituality" and what not is nothing more than just mental masturbation.


--------------------
I'm a street walking cheetah with a heart full of napal, I'm the run-away son of the nuclear A-bomb.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefelix4life
Sky
Registered: 01/09/05
Posts: 467
Last seen: 5 years, 8 months
Re: Research Chemicals vs. Natural Psychedelics [Re: heavymetalfreak10]
    #15424828 - 11/26/11 01:58 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I think psychedelics will just manifest your mind, it won't take you to nirvana unless you work through your feelings/beliefs. Meditation manifests your mind also, it won't take you to nirvana unless you work through your feelings/beliefs.

Both are methods, I like to choose the middle path.


Edited by felix4life (11/26/11 01:59 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinecrkhd
☾☼☽

Registered: 12/28/08
Posts: 2,401
Loc: A human sphere enfolding ...
Last seen: 8 months, 26 days
Re: Research Chemicals vs. Natural Psychedelics [Re: heavymetalfreak10] * 2
    #15433678 - 11/28/11 12:09 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

heavymetalfreak10 said:
I recently read this book called "Hardcore Zen", and the writer talks about people that use drugs to reach "enlightenment" or for "spiritual" purposes and he basically said this (I'm not directly quoting it, just paraphrasing and adding stuff) "some people argue that certain drugs, psychedelics, can help one reach enlightenment, the truth,w/ev you call it, but i disagree. Its like climbing a mountain, a guy can sit down and ingest a couple of tabs of acid, a few grams of shrooms, a couple pills of what ever and its like he gets in a helicopter and gets flown up to the summit of the mountain. sure he still sees the amazing view and experiences being at the top of the mountain. On the other hand, we have the mountain climber, who starts at the foot of the mountain and climbs his way up little by little, they both still see the top of the mountain and the beautiful view, but the climber, also enjoyed and loved every single view he had climbing the mountain, he was there for it and he worked for every single second, every view, every footprint in the snow was meaningful to him."
i think he pretty much nails the difference, but dont  get me wrong. I've had some pretty interesting experiences while tripping, I've reached a state of ego loss where i was everything, and well its hard to explain but i "understood" it all, but that faded. i still can logically and intellectually remember but the feeling is gone; it was just the drugs. the way i see it, is that psychedelics can give you a quick glimpse of what may be up there, the understanding or what ever you want to call it, but they're not a replacement for finding out by yourself on a sober, clear head.

but then again, they're all just random chemicals interacting with receptors in your brain and altering your brain chemistry. maybe all of this "spirituality" and what not is nothing more than just mental masturbation.




Agreed with the mountain analogy, it rings so very true.

Actually there is no difference between "random chemicals interacting with receptors in your brain and altering brain chemistry" and ANY experience.

Eating food? Nah there's no such thing as nutrition, it's just random chemicals interacting with receptors in your brain and altering brain chemistry.

Breathing air? Nah, respiration is a silly fairy tale, it's just random chemicals interacting with receptors in your brain and altering brain chemistry.

Walking? Don't even go there, scientists have proved that we never actually move according to general relativity so it's just random chemicals interacting with receptors in your brain and altering brain chemistry.

It's just infinity :wink:

Focus more clearly. Yes, it's just random chemicals interacting with receptors in your brain but that's focusing on the observed. Spirituality is directed at annihilating all conceptions of the "observer" until you get to the end of the road where the REAL observer shows its face.

But of course, that's just random chemicals interacting with receptors in your brain and altering brain chemistry. "Random" is a word used by people who can't decode the noise, "just" is a word used by people who can't comprehend infinity and don't believe others should dare to try. They might actually learn something and we wouldn't want that.


--------------------


"Everything there is, and all that there is, is a Pattern of unspeakable proportion. The Pattern contains everything that is, completely fixed in succession, all the minimal particles interconnected in every way that is. Every way that is is not every conceivable way, because not everything that can be conceived is manifest in the pattern."

"THE Human, you, is a miniscule but essential part of that pattern. In it lies complete fulfillment. It will never become something it is not, but it will never need to be anything else." - Wiccan_Seeker

"If boring drudgery was the way of the universe, everything would have killed itself long ago." - Spacerific


Edited by crkhd (11/28/11 12:15 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineheavymetalfreak10
I took the red pill
Male

Registered: 09/07/09
Posts: 49
Loc: USA
Last seen: 11 years, 4 months
Re: Research Chemicals vs. Natural Psychedelics [Re: crkhd]
    #15456903 - 12/02/11 10:23 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

to the guy above me:  :bow2:


--------------------
I'm a street walking cheetah with a heart full of napal, I'm the run-away son of the nuclear A-bomb.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefelix4life
Sky
Registered: 01/09/05
Posts: 467
Last seen: 5 years, 8 months
Re: Research Chemicals vs. Natural Psychedelics [Re: heavymetalfreak10]
    #15457057 - 12/02/11 11:01 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

true that


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineLuSiD9
reality is plastic
Male User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 09/06/06
Posts: 4,705
Loc: The Bowels of Canada
Last seen: 1 month, 1 day
Re: Research Chemicals vs. Natural Psychedelics [Re: felix4life]
    #15457533 - 12/03/11 02:25 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

deCypher said:
Quote:

deff said:
i found 2c-e had a very spiritual/introspective feel to it... and there's lsd of course

i don't think natural vs. unnatural really matters, unless you feel you're communing with the plant's spirit or something







I agree...

but i found nothing spiritual/introspective at all about 2c-e... not even a little, even from heavy doses... great drug, but not 'deep' in any sense of the word by any means, found it more recreational than anything... I find a certain cough suppressant to be much deeper and spiritual actually :shrug:

LSD, which was an RC at one point... well, I've had many spiritual experiences with it, still find it deeper than most


Quote:

Rivers and Roads said:
DPT put me in contact with the divine.




this one has been on my 'to do list' for over a decade.... and shit, now that I have access, it's just too pricey for me at the moment :tongue:


--------------------
Nothing is true, everything is permissible.

Our laws make law impossible; our liberties destroy all freedom; our property is organized robbery; our morality an impudent hypocrisy; our wisdom is administered by inexperienced or mal-experienced dupes; our power wielded by cowards and weaklings; and our honour false in all its points. I am an enemy of the existing order for good reasons.


Edited by LuSiD9 (12/03/11 02:29 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineg00ru
lit pants tit licker
Male User Gallery


Registered: 08/09/07
Posts: 21,088
Loc: georgia, us
Last seen: 5 years, 2 months
Re: Research Chemicals vs. Natural Psychedelics [Re: LuSiD9]
    #15458717 - 12/03/11 11:48 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

to continue the mountain analogy:

some people try to just helicopter strait to the top and they suffocate or their helicopter crashes or they wise up and fly back down.

some people climb all they way up totally without aid, stubbornly refusing even air tanks at towards the top.

some people climb most of the way, but are good at recognizing the point at which they should burn some gas and fly a distance up, or maybe a bit to the left or the right.

but the analogy is breaking down cause you can't really use a helicopter halfway up a mountain :/

i usually think of being in a spaceship floating outwards, and correct use of pot and psychedelics is like using the booster power.


--------------------
check out my music!
drowse in prison and your waking will be but loss


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: < Back | 1 | 2 | 3  [ show all ]

Kraken Kratom Shop: Red Vein Kratom


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* surrender banquet 768 10 03/02/18 11:11 PM
by RJ Tubs 202
* Alien/Human Relations v2.0
( 1 2 3 4 all )
Anonymous 23,684 65 12/23/22 02:19 AM
by doolhoofd
* spiritual intensity , secret of herb banquet 500 2 03/05/18 02:52 AM
by banquet
* On your path to enlightenment...
( 1 2 all )
ShroomismM 12,351 34 10/15/22 10:25 PM
by Buster_Brown
* Heaven is coming to earth *the sequel*
( 1 2 3 4 ... 51 52 )
zorbman 178,040 1,020 03/15/18 06:53 PM
by BrendanFlock
* Dream Thread
( 1 2 3 4 ... 12 13 all )
ShroomismM 49,345 246 11/08/07 05:30 PM
by gbeatle
* Mayan Galactic Signature DB.....
( 1 2 3 4 5 6 all )
vampirism 39,234 113 04/21/05 04:06 AM
by emptywisdom
* Zero Point Alchemy
( 1 2 all )
ShroomismM 5,773 20 01/12/20 02:37 AM
by Loaded Shaman

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Middleman, Shroomism, Rose, Kickle, yogabunny, DividedQuantum
4,737 topic views. 1 members, 1 guests and 3 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.026 seconds spending 0.009 seconds on 15 queries.