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Digital Narcotics May Be the Future of Drugs * 1
    #15440048 - 11/29/11 02:38 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/11/digital-narcotic-drugs/

Technologists will become the next drug dealers, administering narcotics through brain stimulation, according to Rohit Talwar, the founder of Fast Future Research, speaking at Intelligence Squared’s If conference.

Talwar was charged by the government to investigate the drugs landscape over the next 20 years, exploring scenarios going beyond the traditional model of gangs producing and shipping drugs around the world.

He described how the world of genomic sequencing and services such as 23 and Me open up possibilities for tailoring drugs to the individual, delivering effects based on your physiology — which could apply just as effectively to narcotics as it could medicines.

He cited research from the University of California, Berkeley where neuroscientists were able to replicate images people were seeing based on the brain patterns of activity. When combined with transcranial magnetic stimulation — which has been used to inhibit brain functions such as the ability to speak or remember — it opens up the possibility of electronically delivering targeted highs.

He said: “You could also visualize the experience and then tailor the effect to what you want. This nano-bio-info-cogno convergence gets us into some very interesting spheres.”

One scenario he imagines would make use of biological proteins manufactured with information-processing technology to deliver effects that could be triggered by electromagnetic stimulation. He imagined that they could be used in a club environment where the DJ would release nanoparticles that the audience could ingest. These could then be used to trigger the desired state at a particular point during his or her set using an electrical stimulus (from a headset) into the crowd’s brains.

“The more we can understand the brain, the more we can deliver positive effects such as improved memory function. Do you want to get high? Mellow? Actually I want to live my life in my head as half-human half-cat,” he joked.

This sort of situation would mean that regulation of these “drugs” would move from trying to stop people from producing them to quality control. This sort of future could eliminate the cartels that control the drugs trade at the moment, because pharmaceutical companies might be able to corner the market and guarantee the quality of the experiences.


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Re: Digital Narcotics May Be the Future of Drugs [Re: 5-HT2A] * 1
    #15440170 - 11/29/11 03:17 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

If this is even viable for a futurist drug culture would it be aloud by the  government.I mean if micro particles can change your  brain chemistry so  much as to simulate any drug,then wouldnt that leave room for other not so noble types of usage of the particles as in biochemical warfare?


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Re: Digital Narcotics May Be the Future of Drugs [Re: Seriously_Spaced]
    #15440259 - 11/29/11 03:38 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

so it'd be
snort this line of tiny micro-robots who will fuck you up.
are we getting closer to the matrix i wonder? that seems more viable to me. plugging an ethernet cable into our necks or somethin


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Re: Digital Narcotics May Be the Future of Drugs [Re: Seriously_Spaced]
    #15440260 - 11/29/11 03:39 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Yo even though it sounds like a cool idea, BUT that's not cool, the government working on further manipulation of the masses, they already done it but now they taking a step further too far!
Fuck that, give me my natural herbal remedy.


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Re: Digital Narcotics May Be the Future of Drugs [Re: DZ74]
    #15440279 - 11/29/11 03:45 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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DZ74 said:
Yo even though it sounds like a cool idea, BUT that's not cool, the government working on further manipulation of the masses, they already done it but now they taking a step further too far!
Fuck that, give me my natural herbal remedy.



Exactly this breeches rec drug use and could possibly fall under the category of mind control if they programmed it to do what they wanted you to do.Ill stick with the herb that I grow


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Re: Digital Narcotics May Be the Future of Drugs [Re: Seriously_Spaced]
    #15440313 - 11/29/11 03:54 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

thats scary... :tinfoil:


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Re: Digital Narcotics May Be the Future of Drugs [Re: Tcm19277]
    #15440338 - 11/29/11 04:03 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Electronically delivered targeted highs wouldn't show up in piss tests.


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Re: Digital Narcotics May Be the Future of Drugs [Re: Tcm19277]
    #15440340 - 11/29/11 04:03 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

it is a spooky thought
nobody snort the microbots


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Re: Digital Narcotics May Be the Future of Drugs [Re: Tcm19277]
    #15440352 - 11/29/11 04:05 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Protect yourselves


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Re: Digital Narcotics May Be the Future of Drugs [Re: Hesy-Ra]
    #15440413 - 11/29/11 04:20 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

this is so cool but so scary at the same time. if there was a good system in place we could have endless amounts of crazy awesome new drugs but mind control scenario is what I see here


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Re: Digital Narcotics May Be the Future of Drugs [Re: Led Zeppelin]
    #15440422 - 11/29/11 04:21 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

that sounds like an oxymoron
a good system


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Re: Digital Narcotics May Be the Future of Drugs [Re: Scudreloaded]
    #15440492 - 11/29/11 04:38 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

People worry too much about electronic advancements. It's the fear they embed into your heads with movies and television. One EMP would stop all the electrical devices in the area. There is always something there to balance everything. If you let your mind get controlled, it's probably because you never had control of it in the first place.


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Re: Digital Narcotics May Be the Future of Drugs [Re: RealEyes]
    #15440611 - 11/29/11 05:04 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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People worry too much about electronic advancements. It's the fear they embed into your heads with movies and television. One EMP would stop all the electrical devices in the area. There is always something there to balance everything. If you let your mind get controlled, it's probably because you never had control of it in the first place.




They make the movies with all cliche and full of masonic references, yes it is true that media is used for manipulation as well. But c'mon? You don't think this is fishy? They are already implanting tracking device chips in dogs and cats. That's not cool...nor is it natural for a dog to have a fucking chip inside it.
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Almost all processed food and Pharmaceuticals that kill us
Worship of technology in the last 30 or so years while media manipulation is reinforcing these ideas that this is normal and it's ok.

There's more to the list but I feel like these are the main points.

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Re: Digital Narcotics May Be the Future of Drugs [Re: DZ74]
    #15440649 - 11/29/11 05:12 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

but whats ok and right and wrong are completely based on perception.
some would say that this preception goes as far as what "the man" wants us to believe....
there probably is something greater controling the government and promoting the odd mind control that exists and wants it further.
but like i told my buddy last week
i sorta doubt it's some weird alien race that i feel you pulled out of your ass


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Re: Digital Narcotics May Be the Future of Drugs [Re: Scudreloaded]
    #15440944 - 11/29/11 06:33 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Nothing will ever top a good old J I'm telling you :stoned:


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Re: Digital Narcotics May Be the Future of Drugs [Re: RealEyes]
    #15441353 - 11/29/11 08:06 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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People worry too much about electronic advancements. It's the fear they embed into your heads with movies and television. One EMP would stop all the electrical devices in the area. There is always something there to balance everything. If you let your mind get controlled, it's probably because you never had control of it in the first place.




Cute. Play too much CoD do we? You do realize there are things called Faraday cages, right?

Sardonic humor aside, doesen't this take away from most of the goverment arguments against why drugs are bad? If it's in your brain, than it's a one time investment, so addiction is irrelevant. Also, if it's modus operandi is simply the electrical stimulation of nerual recpetors, then the ''destroying your health'' argument is also moot. As is the fact that somehow kids could get a easily get a hold of it.

I see this as a good thing. Imagine having all of your favorite drugs for next to nothing, activated with but a push of a button. You could weave in and out of sobriety in an instant, as the situation calls (I'd be high as fuck in the subway or when waiting around, then sober as a rock for work.) I'm sure by targetting exact locations, one could negate many of the nagitive side effects too. Brave new world, here I come. *pass me the soma*


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Re: Digital Narcotics May Be the Future of Drugs [Re: StatuesCryBleeding]
    #15441521 - 11/29/11 08:35 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

The government don't give a fuck, our government is crooked.
Look at the history of Rome, compare it to now, then you'll see why the US Government is working so hard to maintain control of the masses.

US = Modern Day Rome.


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Re: Digital Narcotics May Be the Future of Drugs [Re: DZ74]
    #15441669 - 11/29/11 09:02 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Soon people will see that the line between realty and fantasy is not indelible, we just need to break a few more borders to get there

Once those who call themselves leaders start experimenting with drugs this bullshit should come to a halt

technology will both enslave us and set us free, make us weak and strong

If we can hold on long enough

Otherwise it will start over again and again until we make it interstellar, who the fuck's gonna fight over land when the expanse is seen to be truly infinite

Just one step closer to accomplishing my lifelong dream, dreaming for a thousands of years straight; of course that will all be a lucid dream as the only time I will really be there is when I am lucid, Lucid dreams give you control of not only what altered states the mind is in, the way these digital drugs would, but will also allow me to shape logic as I please


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Re: Digital Narcotics May Be the Future of Drugs [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #15442398 - 11/29/11 11:37 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I'm down. Hope it's not lame like iDoser.


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Re: Digital Narcotics May Be the Future of Drugs [Re: Wise Toad]
    #15442402 - 11/29/11 11:39 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Nano-particles?

What if we all have electronic components inside of us already and have no clue.

Little machines that build slowly overtime, you can have your fucking city water.

Oh don't worry you, I have my nano-filtration system from sharper image.


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Re: Digital Narcotics May Be the Future of Drugs [Re: PsilocybinMike]
    #15442430 - 11/29/11 11:47 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm down. Hope it's not lame like iDoser.



Yeah, I actually clicked on this expecting it to be about iDoser.


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Re: Digital Narcotics May Be the Future of Drugs [Re: Mr. Saturn]
    #15442573 - 11/30/11 12:29 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

i've worried we already have chips in us for a few years.
someone told me when babies are born they try to atleast get the child out of veiw from the parents for a little bit.
put a chip in ya maybe eh? but the government would let that happan...
no they just wont admit it or let it be known.
and don't get me started and those FEMA camps set up for when we all go crazy.
the thought of these microbots does scare me. uber brain washing time.
but if i had a little remote or something and pressed a button any time i wanted to see motion trails, or relax a lil and go to bed would be cool.
and if it was sparking our neurotransmitters to generate sleepyness, or uppity or even visuals, would our transmitters burn out eventually and not be under our control. might just take a big enough zap


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Re: Digital Narcotics May Be the Future of Drugs [Re: PsilocybinMike]
    #15442671 - 11/30/11 01:02 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm down. Hope it's not lame like iDoser.




Yeah, my thought is that their just talking about iDoser aka Binaural Beats aka Brainwave Generator, all of which don't seem to do much of anything significant. It would be great though, if it was as simple as wearing a special medicine/drug watch on your wrist, that you could dial in any medicine/drug and choose any level and when the watch is removed, the effect quickly diminishes (in case of malfunction).

I bet though, that the government just wants to ban euphoria and doesn't care about the absence of risks and absence of danger, look at cannabis and you will see what I mean.


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Re: Digital Narcotics May Be the Future of Drugs [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #15443009 - 11/30/11 02:51 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Maybe government officials can be persuaded to reallocate some anti-drug resources to this potential cyber threat. 


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Re: Digital Narcotics May Be the Future of Drugs [Re: Seriously_Spaced]
    #15443211 - 11/30/11 04:03 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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If this is even viable for a futurist drug culture would it be aloud by the  government.I mean if micro particles can change your  brain chemistry so  much as to simulate any drug,then wouldnt that leave room for other not so noble types of usage of the particles as in biochemical warfare?



It is another of those inventions like nuclear weapons, that could destroy all of humanity if not used properly. In the journal of the communist party of cuba, Fidel Castro often warns about a possible nuclear war. the times of the cuban crisis must have formed his political views to some extent.

He also talks about MK ultra, another of those too horrible to exist inventions. like micromachines.


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Re: Digital Narcotics May Be the Future of Drugs [Re: communeart]
    #15443356 - 11/30/11 04:48 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Great comments, keep em coming!


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Re: Digital Narcotics May Be the Future of Drugs [Re: Seriously_Spaced]
    #15443951 - 11/30/11 11:06 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Pseudoscience, cute.

Maybe you should read the research the researchers posted instead of complete science-fiction someone extrapolated from it.

This has to be one of the least-informed, most ignorant threads I have read in years on this board.


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Re: Digital Narcotics May Be the Future of Drugs [Re: DZ74]
    #15443965 - 11/30/11 11:12 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

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But c'mon? You don't think this is fishy? They are already implanting tracking device chips in dogs and cats. That's not cool...

Degradation of Woman
Promotion of Homosexuality
Economic system based on Legal Slavery of the Common Population
Almost all processed food and Pharmaceuticals that kill us
Worship of technology in the last 30 or so years while media manipulation is reinforcing these ideas that this is normal and it's ok.










People who think RFID tags are inhumane or "tracking" chips. :lolsy: Maybe for five-ten feet :lolsy:

Next time you lose your dog, you might be glad you chipped him. Fuck, if there was a way to implant RFID tags into my hands that wouldn't be grotesque and painful, that would be awesome. Bumping my butt to my car's door to unlock it just wouldn't be as neat.

-Degradation of women. Right, that's been getting worse because of technology. Right.
-What the fuck? Nobody is "promoting" being gay. They just want to be treated like people.
-As if an economic system based on slavery didn't exist before technology, again.
-Nobody worships technology. See dictionary definition of "worship".


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Once those who call themselves leaders start experimenting with drugs this bullshit should come to a halt






You don't think our leaders use drugs? :rofl:

You people seriously need to read about some of this stuff before you post it. That article is basically made-up BS.


Edited by blujay (11/30/11 11:19 AM)


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Re: Digital Narcotics May Be the Future of Drugs [Re: blujay]
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Re: Digital Narcotics May Be the Future of Drugs [Re: durian_2008]
    #15444083 - 11/30/11 11:55 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

That has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. Epilepsy is well understood.

Dumb christians who do not study will sensationalize anything they can.


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Re: Digital Narcotics May Be the Future of Drugs [Re: blujay]
    #15445103 - 11/30/11 03:48 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

It's hard to take your word as being credible when your profile is plastered with ponies...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3008353/ pseudo science you say....


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Re: Digital Narcotics May Be the Future of Drugs [Re: StatuesCryBleeding]
    #15446272 - 11/30/11 07:49 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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One scenario he imagines would make use of biological proteins manufactured with information-processing technology to deliver effects that could be triggered by electromagnetic stimulation. He imagined that they could be used in a club environment where the DJ would release nanoparticles that the audience could ingest. These could then be used to trigger the desired state at a particular point during his or her set using an electrical stimulus (from a headset) into the crowd’s brains.




Jeff Noon anybody? This describes exactly what happens in a scene from his book VURT.  People go to clubs, get misted with nano-bots, and get fucked up as the DJ pumps insane music and hallucinations into their brains.

Cyberpunk + futuristic nano drugs called VURT that are ingested on feathers--yes please.

Amazing story. I highly recommend it to anyone who finds this article the least bit interesting.


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Re: Digital Narcotics May Be the Future of Drugs [Re: RoastedPete]
    #15447316 - 11/30/11 11:41 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

i cant wait for digital drugs, then i could download them for free.


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Re: Digital Narcotics May Be the Future of Drugs [Re: Pilz]
    #15447475 - 12/01/11 12:18 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

It would no doubt tell the truth that it's actually states of consiousness that is being outlawed, not the "drugs" themselves. All hell should break loose.


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Re: Digital Narcotics May Be the Future of Drugs [Re: StatuesCryBleeding]
    #15449217 - 12/01/11 01:28 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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StatuesCryBleeding said:
It's hard to take your word as being credible when your profile is plastered with ponies...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3008353/ pseudo science you say....




There is a difference between speculative and science fiction. It's hard to take anyone seriously when they're busy basing their arguments on the personal traits of their peers and copypasta-ing articles without actually discussing the content. Your signature is as ridiculous if not more than my own.

That article does not ever mention nanotechnology, in fact it's vaguely related to the topic at hand at best. Just because we have a rudimentary understanding of neuroscience doesn't mean we're on the verge of digitally manufacturing the very specific neurotransmitter responses to drugs with a direct brain-digital interface. That's lightyears away from the primitive "dicking with electrodes jolting the grey matter" we are capable of today.

In addition, nanotech is nowhere near these types of applications. Real-world super-advanced nanotech is artificial blood and tri-gate transistors. A nano-bot capable of achieving any of these effects is more unrealistic than bioengineering a proprietary organism to serve the same purposes. Modern science is still largely incapable of the physical processes necessary to produce such mechanisms, and any "nano-robots" existing are ludicrously rudimentary curiosities without practical application at best- lacking the memory, physical modus, or power supply capable of serving any useful purpose or complex task.


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