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My first monotub - WBS - Mazatapecs -(Grow Log) - (Pics)
    #15434978 - 11/28/11 11:09 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Hi guys today I started my first ever grow and I want to share my experience with Shroomery.org. If you guys can judge my process (In a good way) that would be great!.




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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: blazter]
    #15434989 - 11/28/11 11:14 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I have a question.

My PC don't have any pressure gauge so I cant check how much psi does it have, what do you guys recommend?. Secondly the jars are touching the water and the floor of the PC would it break???.


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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: blazter]
    #15435029 - 11/28/11 11:28 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

The jars shouldn't break, but they can dry out some if they're right on the bottom.

As for pressure, it should have a rocker that will jiggle when the pc is up to pressure. The pressure it'll rock at would be in the manual or maybe on the website for the cooker.


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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: BargainBab]
    #15435083 - 11/28/11 11:43 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Your pressure cooker looks small, I've had one similar before buying something bigger, the rocker hissing is good. If its rocking and making a lot of noise its too much pressure and you don't wanna run it dry so turn it down to a fine hiss.

To test if its fully pressurized and hott enuff even at just 10 psi you should be able to drop water droplets onto your pc and they should evaporate basically instantly.

I used to pc bird seed and rye at 10 psi til I upgraded my equipment but don't really recomend it.


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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: BargainBab]
    #15435096 - 11/28/11 11:47 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks.

I can surely see the vapor coming out of the pressure cooker that means its working right? After all the vapor is what is important. Right now I am testing with 1 jar to see what happens I am going to drop the 4 jars after this one comes out. Thanks for the info, Ill post more pics after this.


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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: blazter]
    #15435187 - 11/28/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

That pressure cooker looks like the presto one. I am thinking that these are set for 15psi, but 12 psi springs to mind also. It wll say in the manual.

Put a towel on the bottom with about an inch or two of water. I wouldnt worry about your grains drying to much. It wont really dry them out unless you run out of water during PC. With the lid off turn it on high. Wait until the water is boiling and then put the lid on it. You should always preheat your PC before putting on the lid. You want it to start hissing out of the wieght to let you know you hit max pressure and then lower your temps to sustain a slight sound. I heat mine up to 15 psi as fast as my stove allows then set it on medium low and it maintains 15psi with a small soft hiss. Once in a while it rocks for a sec but not much. You dont want it to be loudly hissing at you (this will drain your water in your pc and then your grains will dry up). PC for 90 minutes (if it is 15 psi) and let cool for 5 hours minimum. In case you didnt know, but I am sure you do: make sure your PC is cooled of before you open it.


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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: shroomerite]
    #15435294 - 11/28/11 12:51 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the advise really appreciate it. Ill post more pics after the PC finish :smile:.


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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: blazter]
    #15435435 - 11/28/11 01:25 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

After the PC... I dint let this jars to soak for 24 hours tho, only 1 hour. Ill inject 3cc in each jar. Hope everything goes fine. What u guys think?.



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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: blazter]
    #15435468 - 11/28/11 01:31 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Jars can break in a PC if they are bumping into each other. Don't drop them into boiling water either.


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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: maug]
    #15435493 - 11/28/11 01:35 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Well they all came back alive Lool.


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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: blazter]
    #15435585 - 11/28/11 01:57 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

If you only soaked for one hour you could have some issues down the line. The point of the long soak before you PC is too germinate the endospores in the grain (which are heat resistant) to make them vulnerable to the heat of the PC. Not a long enough soak will not cause these endospores to germinate meaning they could survive the PC and con tam your jars later in the process.

Not saying this is a guarantee and your jars will con tam  but just a 1 hour soak seems a lot on the light side. 12-16+ hours should be your soak time.


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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: blazter]
    #15435616 - 11/28/11 02:02 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks Bugler

I have been reading and the "best" way to hydrate or make the endospores vulnerable is by simmering... or just letting it soak for 12+ hours.

Ill redo everything again with new WBS and simmering. I want to make sure this is going to work lol.


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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: blazter]
    #15435685 - 11/28/11 02:16 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

The soak is to germinate and make the endospores vulnerable, the simmer is to hydrate the WBS to its fullest. The heat forces H2O into the WBS. The simmering process doesn't have shit on the PC as far as killing the endospores and doesn't make them vulnerable. The point of simmering is low heat (around 170 degrees) to not crack the WBS, and you don't boil (212 degrees). The PC is higher than 212 (the point at which water turns to steam) and you see this with the steam that comes out.


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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: Bugler Boy]
    #15442785 - 11/29/11 11:37 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: shroomerite]
    #15443049 - 11/30/11 01:06 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I find those poly-fil filters very questionable, I had a hell of a time with tyvek filters and I don't think poly-fil will be much better.
I recommend buying some synthetic filter discs from a Shroomery sponsor, The Mad Season has the best price and service from my experience.

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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: gref]
    #15444266 - 11/30/11 10:41 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

poly fill works great, super cheap, available locally and synthetic so germs wont grow on it if its clean.  much more FAE than tyvek or filter disks imo.


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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: THIHT]
    #15444397 - 11/30/11 11:17 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

i use the living hell outta poly with no problem.

i got 80 jars + just like that and have never bought a filter disk nor a tyvek nothing.


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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: THIHT]
    #15444431 - 11/30/11 11:25 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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poly fill works great, super cheap, available locally and synthetic so germs wont grow on it if its clean.  much more FAE than tyvek or filter disks imo.




When you're colonizing jars you want gas exchange (GE) not fresh air exchange. Synthetic filter discs are more assuring than any other type of air filter. I am glad to hear that poly-fil works well for you though. :smile:


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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: gref] * 1
    #15444562 - 11/30/11 11:57 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Those jars look really full. About to start my first WBS to bulk grow and i remember seeing the jars 1/2 maybe 2/3 of the way full.

Other than that, definitely do the soak and simmer. And good luck to you!

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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: Dwight_K_Schrute]
    #15448782 - 12/01/11 09:10 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks guys.

It have been 3 days from the incubation, Still nothing so far...

I have been reading and it should take 1 week for first sings of mycelium and having in mind that i am using Mazapatecs spores (they are slow colonizers). Will keep updating :wink:


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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: blazter]
    #15473524 - 12/06/11 08:11 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Update!!

First week of incubation, finally some grow!.

2 jars have mycelium the others 2 still have nothing.



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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: blazter]
    #15486486 - 12/08/11 03:17 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

more colonization




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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: blazter]
    #15486636 - 12/08/11 03:40 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Lookin' good! :mushroomgrow::thumbup:

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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #15488283 - 12/08/11 08:26 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: blazter]
    #15509803 - 12/13/11 10:46 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

More grow update. Only 2 jars are colonizing 1 got contamination and the other 1 is stalled.





2 weeks.


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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: blazter]
    #15511068 - 12/13/11 02:53 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Why did you only soak for 1 hour compared to 24?


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    #15511675 - 12/13/11 04:59 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Why did you only soak for 1 hour compared to 24?




Cause I was in hurry.


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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: blazter]
    #15512012 - 12/13/11 06:16 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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More grow update. Only 2 jars are colonizing 1 got contamination and the other 1 is stalled.





2 weeks.





Other things equal, a jar that has been stalled for a week or more is an infected jar.


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Why did you only soak for 1 hour compared to 24?




Cause I was in hurry.





The point of soaking is that it germinates the contaminate endospores so they die in the PC. How long did you PC and at what PSI?
Also, I don't trust those poly-fil filters. You can never be too sterile in this hobby.


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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: gref]
    #15520751 - 12/15/11 12:58 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

gref I PC for 90 minutes and I don't know how much PSI cause I don't have the gauge.

Why don't you trust poly-fill? As you can see the mycelium is growing even with all my errors (first timer) :smile:.

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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: blazter]
    #15521021 - 12/15/11 02:04 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I've used synthetic filter discs for years - they are a better filter against spores because the polyfill has larger effective pore size.  Athough even with SFD sometimes jars will contam if the discs are damp at all and something germinates on the outside, grows through, and sporulates on the inside. :frown:

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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: blazter]
    #15521096 - 12/15/11 02:23 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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gref I PC for 90 minutes and I don't know how much PSI cause I don't have the gauge.

Why don't you trust poly-fill? As you can see the mycelium is growing even with all my errors (first timer) :smile:.

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90 minutes sounds good enough, but it needs to be at 15 PSI.

I don't trust poly-fil because I had the worst time ever dealing with tyvek and I just don't see poly-fil being much better. I use poly-fil in my monotubs and it has so much gaps in it I don't see how it could make a good filter.
However, if you can get jars to fully colonize with it then power to you.

I use synthetic filter discs and they work so well.


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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: gref]
    #15521511 - 12/15/11 03:46 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

i back the synthetic filter disks statement, i ordered them from http://www.themadseason.com/ (a shroomery sponsor)
i got the large ones and cut quarter sized circiles out of them (about 25 per filter disk) and made lids with silicon injection ports like this. but instead of the tyvek i use SFD's
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10628004#10628004


as far as soaking goes, i have soaked for 24 hours, 5 hours and not soaked at all, all with the same results. as long as you make sure to rinse the hell out of them you and pressure cook for the right ammount of time (90min @15psi) you will be fine.

here are a few helpful links i used when first getting started, havent had a contam since the first 2 times i tried growing a couple years ago.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10636495

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/6817701/an/0/page/0

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11525679

good luck with any and all future grows! :mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2:


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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: MrCubensis]
    #15521657 - 12/15/11 04:12 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

thanks MrCubensis I have read a lot but still did some errors but oh well from the errors we learn next time it will be better.

About the jar lids, I was going to do that tek but someone in this forum told me that poly-fill work just well. Ill keep updating about the colonization and grow.


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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: blazter]
    #15787638 - 02/10/12 08:30 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Update:

It have been log time since updates but the process have been taking long time since this is my first time and i did lots of erros. Anyway here is my new update!.

The monotub have been 12 days since I added the spawn to the substrate. That little mushroom grow even without light and FAE inside the plastic bag.




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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: blazter]
    #15788647 - 02/10/12 02:39 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, ya get those little puny ones, like the rest are saying "hey, you go check and see what it's like out there..." :lol:

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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #15789942 - 02/10/12 07:47 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Day 2 of fruiting. How fast are they going?!



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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: blazter]
    #15790268 - 02/10/12 09:09 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

If you want better yields, you should soak and introduce more FAE.


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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: maug]
    #15790360 - 02/10/12 09:37 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

where is the depth!?!?! did you just pour your jars into that tub? next time get yourself some coir, it will help out a ton! you want the depth to be 4" from the bottom of the tub, it will also require time for the grains to colonize the coir. but as was posted earlier, follow this tek:

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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: MrCubensis]
    #15790454 - 02/10/12 10:11 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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as far as soaking goes, i have soaked for 24 hours, 5 hours and not soaked at all, all with the same results. as long as you make sure to rinse the hell out of them you and pressure cook for the right ammount of time (90min @15psi) you will be fine.





I thought one of the ideas behind soaking was for the seeds to absorb moisture, so that a few weeks from now your jars are still "hydrated" enough to allow myc to grow. (I know there is also a simmer phase for the seeds on the stove) Perhaps this is one of the reasons one of his jars stalled, could it have just simply dried out?


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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: bollocks]
    #15791496 - 02/11/12 06:14 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Yes the jars stalled because they dried out.

It have coir lol, actually damion5050 tek the depth is only 1 inch only because originally I was going to mix 5 jars and only 2 survived.


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    #15791520 - 02/11/12 06:33 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I did less according to how many jars I had of spawn.


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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: bollocks]
    #15798760 - 02/12/12 04:46 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Awesome!!. For me they are growing really healthy.



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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: blazter]
    #15798850 - 02/12/12 05:02 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Looking really good!! Keep up the nice work ! :smile: e


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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: electrics]
    #15799752 - 02/12/12 08:01 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: blazter]
    #15799796 - 02/12/12 08:09 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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After the PC... I dint let this jars to soak for 24 hours tho, only 1 hour. Ill inject 3cc in each jar. Hope everything goes fine. What u guys think?.






When we soak for 24 hours we do this to germinate endospores to that they can be killed off in the PC cycle. If you do not soak for 24 hours these endospores do not gerinate and can survive the PCing.

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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: PureHash]
    #15801457 - 02/13/12 02:11 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Beautiful man :thumbup:


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    #15805659 - 02/13/12 09:23 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Looking nice.


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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: mushcap]
    #15805755 - 02/13/12 09:42 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Rad, im gonna grow some maz on my next project, do u know what your temp and RH is? ive read that mazatapecs require higher temps than average cubes


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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: blazter]
    #15807557 - 02/14/12 10:05 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)



Ready to dry!


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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: blazter]
    #15810109 - 02/14/12 07:40 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Nice skrooms man :smile: May the gods smile and you trip your face off.


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    #15810239 - 02/14/12 08:08 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I like keeping the mushrooms intact (not splitting them up) but good grow, youre right, those pins looked very healthy


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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: Swwert]
    #15810262 - 02/14/12 08:12 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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I like keeping the mushrooms intact (not splitting them up) but good grow, youre right, those pins looked very healthy



Maybe he printed them and didnt just mutilate them for fun :tongue:  We can only hope


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Re: My first monotub - WBS - (Grow Log) - (Pics) [Re: zepski]
    #15812224 - 02/15/12 06:28 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)




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