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Showmehow420
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Just pick one grain to use....
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Showmehow420
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Barton is right though I didnt clearify that I meant you have to chose ONLY one either grain or BRF. The crumbling is ONLY for if you decide to do BRF. you have a lot of good advice (again like barton said) I would just chose one thing and go with it man. Maybe do a little more reading in the forums though. All these question can be found.....
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scatmanrav is the one I am taking all my advice from because as you said he has the trusted cultivator tag. As for WBS I am torn between it and Rye. From what I understand there is allot more work in preparing WBS, washing and removing floaters etc but it has the benefit of being smaller and therefor it should in theory be able to spread further and more evenly when spawned to the hpoo. I can leave out the straw and just stick with hpoo, verm and gypsum when I spawn to trays. As for knocking up the jars I already have a ton of rye and WBS and I would prefer not to waste either. I have a total of 11 strains I will be working with over the next few months so I am sure I will use everything, I just want to be sure I do it right and in the right proportions.
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Re: CALI Mushroom Grow Kit [Re: Nerotik]
#14567615 - 06/06/11 12:41 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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well is your rye and WBS mixed? that is what I was concerned about... although I dont think it will do anything bad even if it is mixed but I just think simpler is better I at one time got a bug that I wanted to do a bunch of additives and most everyone said to ditch it so I did and was always pleased... but if you already have jars prepped and ready then by all means give em a shot at least and see what happens
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Re: CALI Mushroom Grow Kit [Re: Nerotik]
#14567654 - 06/06/11 12:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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No, nothing is mixed yet. I haven't even opened the bags. Still waiting on my syringes. However I think I am gonna need more substrate. I only have 10 lbs of WBS, 5 lbs of rye and 10 lbs of BRF on the way. I need to pick one to use, stick with it and order more. I'm just not sure which will be the best to use if I am going to be spawning to hpoo trays
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Re: CALI Mushroom Grow Kit [Re: Nerotik]
#14568295 - 06/06/11 07:16 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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There is alot of little bad things throughout the thread..just no time to go through all of it so I've stuck with basic answers.
First, in the grain jars, thats to much gypsum. For grain prep you only need a tablespoon. 1 cup is fine for the bulk mix.
Second, dont forget about shaking room in grain jars. PF tek you fill all the way, grain jars only 2/3-3/4 of the way, so you'll want to leave out a few cups. And you didnt account for water, your rye will triple in size and your WBS will double.
You can stick with one grain, but I do prefer both. I take two pots, rye in one WBS in the other and a tsp or tbsp of gypsum in each. I never rinse rye or WBS. I never remove floaters. You can do both if you want before/during the soak. Soak both separately then put both on the stove top separate and simmer (not full boil). WBS will be done in 10-15 minutes, rye in 20-25. Stir occassionaly and if you see a single kernal explode open, drain it. Drain both pots as theyre ready into a big strainer and let it steam. No rinse here ever. This is when the two seeds get mixed together.
Let it get all steamy and drain for at least 10 minutes (up to an hour or two) as you mix it around. Heres where it gets tricky. The verm your adding. You can throw off the water content here, so you may want to leave it out. If my grain looks to wet on the outside I mix in a handful or two of dry verm, to counter the wetness. If you add alot of verm youd want it to already be wet. I would shy away from that. You want the jars to be pretty much filled with grain, since thats where all the nutes are.
Then since 8 quarts jars isnt exactly 16 cups of grain, I'd take the recipe for trays down a bit from 32 cups. The ratio is good though. You can leave in straw or not. Just remember KISS (keep it simple stupid). Horse poo has alot of straw already and is great to work with with just some verm thrown in. Coir also works well in poo if you have it. Straw can just be a PITA to mix and deal with, but if you want to use it, its optional.
BRF, I've never had any need for. Its like training wheels on your bike to me. Just take em off and go for the grain.
I can tell from the things youve said youve done a bit of reading so keep it up. "How I DO Grain" in my sig may give you some help with it. Its old, and I've changed some thing. I think I did both seeds in one pot then. I just found rye absorbs more then WBS, so they go better separate.
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Re: CALI Mushroom Grow Kit [Re: scatmanrav]
#14568361 - 06/06/11 07:56 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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This. ^
If you're gonna do grain, you might as well send your brf back.
If you'd like to play with some cakes, go for it, it's good to know/work with, but if you're jumping into grain there's really no need.
From what I've been reading lately, leave the straw out, it's prone to contams indoors, but again, optional.
Simmer grains seperately.
Pretty much what was said in scats post, I just wanted to emphasize.
Follow what he says, and you'll be alright.
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Re: CALI Mushroom Grow Kit [Re: Shroom_i]
#15413136 - 11/23/11 01:40 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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back to the original question. I was looking at getting the kit with the grow chamber and filter. is the quality of the jars the only issue or is there other issues? can i find the filter system fairly easy? if so where? also couldt i get the kit and re-sterilize the jars? sorry for all the questions...... thanks for all your help.
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TranscendingLife
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well, I have no idea what kind of kit you're buying.
But, you can reuse jars once you birth your cakes. Just wash them & you're good to go.
www.mushroomvideos.com is a great place to start.
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Showmehow420
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I bought a cali grow kit for my first grow.....jars didnt take off at all. The incubator was nice....it gave me a good idea for a larger model (can only fit like 8 quart jars in it or 12 1/2 pints)
I would say DONT get it the kit. You can make it alot cheaper than they sell it for.
If you can resterilize the jars than you would assume that you can just make your own jars....you can get everything you need at walmart man hahaha. hit me with a pm if you need some of my shopping list from there to get you started....
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Agreed. Forget the kit and make your own.
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Re: CALI Mushroom Grow Kit [Re: scatmanrav]
#16141922 - 04/26/12 10:43 AM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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I originally started to make my own but the cost of the supplies were actually more at home depot... WTF! - they must be getting things in bulk or something there.
Bought a Cali Grow Kits and got 3 good grows out of it. I wondered if adding my own gypsum would help the jar; but figured it would prob contaminate it
Used bestspores with my kit (prob my favorite store out there right now)
Don't know about you guys but I thought everything was pretty easy and priced. Plus they replaced my hygrometer that I accidently broke (SHHH dont tell them it was my fault
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TranscendingLife
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You're looking at the total cost of the materials vs. what they're charging you, which is wrong.
Jars, tote, pots, measuring cups, etc. are all one time purchases. The BRF & verm are cheap when purchased in bulk (comparatively to the price your paying in your grow kit.) Perlite is reusable throughout the entire process. Really the only thing you have to buy again is the brf & verm, which makes buying your own supplies cheaper, in the long run. Also, it's nice to actually learn how to do things on your own rather than be given something.
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