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At which point do you intervene?
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Re: At which point do you intervene? [Re: Asante]
#15411928 - 11/23/11 07:37 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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I actually saw this on television a while back ago.
I'd probably just pass all of them up. Suspecting either, A: Hidden Cameras, B: I don't really care. I have better things to do than confront someone for maybe stealing a bike.
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Re: At which point do you intervene? [Re: Asante]
#15411929 - 11/23/11 07:37 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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In all fairness, inner-city bike theft statistically corresponds with minority populations in several U.S. cities. If I saw Gangster Bubba III on a nature trail, an alarm would go off. I can't remember the last time I heard of a black hiker, much less one that was male and between ages 16 - 25 and who happened to be chilling with a hacksaw.
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Re: At which point do you intervene? [Re: Morphogenesis]
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inner-city bike theft statistically corresponds with minority populations in several U.S. cities.
You mean REPORTED inner city bike theft? We just saw the cops getting called corresponds with minority populations to the point that a white guy can whip out anything to an electric grinder and not get a response and a black guy can get yelled at and called out for crouching near a bicycle.
If people are dozens of times more likely to call the cops on a black guy, won't thety be overrepresented in arrests?
I think a genetic trait to be suspicious is to blame
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Re: At which point do you intervene? [Re: Asante] 1
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The black man had saggy pants on compared to the white man. I think that makes a difference.
I was a college guy in a hick town once. I joined the local fire company and one day I wore baggy pants to training and a couple of the guys were giving me a hard time.
Dress the black guy up in a pair of pants and shirt that fit first.
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Re: At which point do you intervene? [Re: Asante] 1
#15411958 - 11/23/11 07:52 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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no doubt racism exists, but with no control group it is not an entirely fair experiment, it wasn't a question of 'would you bust the white or the black kid' with anyone
also, where was that filmed?
my guess is that if that was staged in a predominantly black neighborhood, even fewer people would have paid attention whether it was a white or a black kid
also, i would assume if someone had a grinder with them that they weren't really concerned about getting 'caught' ergo would assume no wrong
is that bad?
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Re: At which point do you intervene? [Re: Asante] 1
#15411959 - 11/23/11 07:52 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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If people are dozens of times more likely to call the cops on a black guy, won't thety be overrepresented in arrests?
Personally, I believe more bike theft probably arises from black communities in the U.S. irrespective of "reporting behavior."
More specifically, I'm sure poverty and education levels are better predictors than race. For instance: "Robert K. Merton in the 1930s and 1940s, argues that social structures within society which lead to inequality and deprivation in segments of its population indirectly encourage those segments to commit crime."
Crime is not a "black" thing by no means.
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Re: At which point do you intervene? [Re: masspan]
#15411975 - 11/23/11 08:00 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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I hate shit like that... And no, I wouldn't give a shit, unless it was my bike. If someone (of any color) was chopping at a chained bike, I'd just assume they lost their key.. Being that its broad-daylight, and tons of people around. I'd probably feel bad, because thats embarrassing.
Now, if its some black kid looking like chingo-bling, I'd probably assume, 'well, that little shits going to jail in like 5 minutes'. . . Is that racist? According to somebody, it probably is.. Do I care? Very little..
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Re: At which point do you intervene? [Re: Asante] 1
#15411977 - 11/23/11 08:01 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
Well?
I'd stop him as soon as i saw him.
Then i'd walk him around town and show him how many unlocked bikes there were and why they are much easier to steal.
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Re: At which point do you intervene? [Re: Asante]
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Re: At which point do you intervene? [Re: Asante]
#15412050 - 11/23/11 08:30 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Im surprised most people believed the guys were legitimately trying to steal the bike.
1. Who carry's an arsenal of tools to steal a bike
2. Who admits the bike isn't theirs.
bad acting was bad.
Also this doesn't really mean a 'racist culture' but more that middle aged/elderly park walkers use stereo types to judge situations.
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Re: At which point do you intervene? [Re: Asante]
#15412055 - 11/23/11 08:32 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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In broad daylight, in a populated area, and with a bag of tools, I wouldn't assume an individual was stealing a bike.
I doubt I'd ever physically intervene, because my own physical safety is FAR more valuable than a stranger's material possession.
I think we could answer the question about race, because there are so much data on "crime". This is the science of statistical, epidemiological, data analysis. There are all sorts of ways to correct (or take into account) things like socioeconmoic status, education level, locality etc.
Unfortunately, "race" is a taboo subject in most scientific areas.
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Re: At which point do you intervene? [Re: mrckb]
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mrckb said: Also this doesn't really mean a 'racist culture' but more that middle aged/elderly park walkers use stereo types to judge situations.
Like I said, when's the last time anyone's seen a rapper holding a walking stick on a nature trail?
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Re: At which point do you intervene? [Re: badchad]
#15412065 - 11/23/11 08:35 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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badchad said: In broad daylight, in a populated area, and with a bag of tools, I wouldn't assume an individual was stealing a bike.
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i shot up within 50 feet of a cop using the "broad daylight" technique.
It really does work quite well......unless you're black.
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Re: At which point do you intervene? [Re: mrckb]
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This was an unfair set up to prove what they wanted to prove.
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Re: At which point do you intervene? [Re: Kada]
#15412092 - 11/23/11 08:49 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Kada said: This was an unfair set up to prove what they wanted to prove.
why, cause it worked?
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Re: At which point do you intervene? [Re: Kada]
#15412118 - 11/23/11 08:56 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Kada said: This was an unfair set up to prove what they wanted to prove.
i agree.
where was all of the other footage, like with the other white kid walking up to the same bike about to steal it and then being like, 'oh, snap, beat me to it'?
or the middle aged black professor with the cell phone calling 911?
this was a set-up, like visiting a poor black neighborhood and filming a group of teens drinking Olde E.
i drink Olde E, and i'm Swiss, whatever
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Re: At which point do you intervene? [Re: masspan]
#15412124 - 11/23/11 09:00 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Kada said: This was an unfair set up to prove what they wanted to prove.
i agree.
where was all of the other footage, like with the other white kid walking up to the same bike about to steal it and then being like, 'oh, snap, beat me to it'?
or the middle aged black professor with the cell phone calling 911?
this was a set-up, like visiting a poor black neighborhood and filming a group of teens drinking Olde E.
i drink Olde E, and i'm Swiss, whatever

Agreed. You put it quite eloquently. In fact, one of the ONLY times I've had the cops called on me for excessive noise, was the mean old rich retired BLACK man that lives across the street.
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Re: At which point do you intervene? [Re: Apostle]
#15412232 - 11/23/11 09:35 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hologram said: I'd stop him as soon as i saw him.
Then i'd walk him around town and show him how many unlocked bikes there were and why they are much easier to steal.
Or just tell him to lift the fucking bike straight up off of that 4 foot sign.
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