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"I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus 9
#15412114 - 11/23/11 08:55 AM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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Towards the end of the video I actually felt really sorry for the preacher. Imagine how disconnected and confusing the world must seem to him. Not only does he believe all of the superstition and negativity about sin, but he is compelled to embarrass himself in order to spread the "good word." It's just beyond me. That man needs a big group hug and a cold beer with friends.
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#15412127 - 11/23/11 09:01 AM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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why all the hate for people that believe in the christian god, I keep hearing people on this site talking about respect, unity, tolerance, open mindedness and enlightenment yet every time the subject of christianity comes up the intolerant haters calling themselves atheists come out of the woodwork like cockroaches. I astounds me that alternate religions like Jainism, Buddhism are so accepted here but to believe in the mainstream religions a person must be a delusional twat
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Morphogenesis]
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Prisoner#1] 2
#15412140 - 11/23/11 09:06 AM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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Religion and science are just two ways to try to describe the exact same thing! There's no reason why someone can't be both logical and religious.
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#15412141 - 11/23/11 09:06 AM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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Buddhists and Janists - in my experience - never act as the overzealous Christians do. I've came across people like this on campus numerous times and every single one of them is bonkers for Christ, so much so that it begins to encroach on other people's personal freedom and space. A technical or state institution is no place for Christ.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Prisoner#1] 5
#15412146 - 11/23/11 09:07 AM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: why all the hate for people that believe in the christian god, I keep hearing people on this site talking about respect, unity, tolerance, open mindedness and enlightenment yet every time the subject of christianity comes up the intolerant haters calling themselves atheists come out of the woodwork like cockroaches. I astounds me that alternate religions like Jainism, Buddhism are so accepted here but to believe in the mainstream religions a person must be a delusional twat
yeah... we see how enlightening psychedelics and education are
I deal with these vicious mutants often on my college campus. They're not preaching the words and teachings of Christ (I'm personally a Jeffersonian-esque Christian - Jesus of Nazareth was a righteous guy, but I don't believe he was the son of God) but rather, decrying what they see as moral debauchery on college campuses. They're trying to make young people feel bad for being themselves, yelling about how we're going to hell for practicing the sins of homosexuality/promiscuity/etc.
They rant about the Old Testament in all its baby-murdering glory. There is no love or tolerance in what they have to say. To put it bluntly - they're trolls.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: PsillySighBen] 3
#15412153 - 11/23/11 09:11 AM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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PsillySighBen said: Buddhists and Janists - in my experience - never act as the overzealous Christians do. I've came across people like this on campus numerous times and every single one of them is bonkers for Christ, so much so that it begins to encroach on other people's personal freedom and space. A technical or state institution is no place for Christ.
That's a stunning generalization. How many Buddhists and Jainists have you really met? Lots of them would refute your use of recreational drugs with the same zeal that a "bonkers for Christ" Christian would.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15412167 - 11/23/11 09:17 AM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: why all the hate for people that believe in the christian god, I keep hearing people on this site talking about respect, unity, tolerance, open mindedness and enlightenment yet every time the subject of christianity comes up the intolerant haters calling themselves atheists come out of the woodwork like cockroaches. I astounds me that alternate religions like Jainism, Buddhism are so accepted here but to believe in the mainstream religions a person must be a delusional twat
yeah... we see how enlightening psychedelics and education are
A lot of people object to the constant proselytizing and the heavy involvement of evangelical Christianity in U.S. politics. I am one of those people. That said, there are a lot of people here who are just uniformly hateful and scornful of Christianity in general, and to me that is an unhealthy attitude that doesn't represent any kind of intellectual superiority or transcendence. That to me is being caught in the same kind of appeal to base emotions that people criticize Christianity for using to negative ends.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Lion]
#15412179 - 11/23/11 09:21 AM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: why all the hate for people that believe in the christian god, I keep hearing people on this site talking about respect, unity, tolerance, open mindedness and enlightenment yet every time the subject of christianity comes up the intolerant haters calling themselves atheists come out of the woodwork like cockroaches. I astounds me that alternate religions like Jainism, Buddhism are so accepted here but to believe in the mainstream religions a person must be a delusional twat
yeah... we see how enlightening psychedelics and education are
A lot of people object to the constant proselytizing and the heavy involvement of evangelical Christianity in U.S. politics. I am one of those people. That said, there are a lot of people here who are just uniformly hateful and scornful of Christianity in general, and to me that is an unhealthy attitude that doesn't represent any kind of intellectual superiority or transcendence. That to me is being caught in the same kind of appeal to base emotions that people criticize Christianity for using to negative ends.
That's why I love Jehova's Witnesses.
One Saturday morning, I was waking up to put something in my car. I had just vaped a fat bowl pack of nug with my coffee. I opened the front door and two Jehova's Witnesses are on the door step. They just wanted to hand me some literature and they peaced out. I thumbed through it and saw that it's against their beliefs to involve themselves in politics. In fact, a good Jehova's Witness isn't even allowed to vote.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Morphogenesis] 2
#15412190 - 11/23/11 09:24 AM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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Morphogenesis said: Towards the end of the video I actually felt really sorry for the preacher. Imagine how disconnected and confusing the world must seem to him. Not only does he believe all of the superstition and negativity about sin, but he is compelled to embarrass himself in order to spread the "good word." It's just beyond me. That man needs a big group hug and a cold beer with friends.
http://www.myvidster.com/video/351878/I_teach_logic_mother_fucker
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Caine] 1
#15412200 - 11/23/11 09:27 AM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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PsillySighBen said: Buddhists and Janists - in my experience - never act as the overzealous Christians do. I've came across people like this on campus numerous times and every single one of them is bonkers for Christ, so much so that it begins to encroach on other people's personal freedom and space. A technical or state institution is no place for Christ.
That's a stunning generalization. How many Buddhists and Jainists have you really met? Lots of them would refute your use of recreational drugs with the same zeal that a "bonkers for Christ" Christian would.
As I said, I speak from only my experience. I've studied multiple Buddhist and Hindu texts, I've dealt with the Janists and Hindus attempting to give out "free" books, but only for "donations" (Ya know, the ones who troll Phish lots and "Hippie" Music Festivals). I've even been duped into throwing out $5 for a book entitled "Self-Realization", what was I thinking - I was probably high. But never have I heard Janists or Hindus or Buddhists yelling some rant about how "we're all going to burn in hell for our sins". These are strictly fear tactics.
Even if *insert eastern religious group here* were to oppose my recreational drug use, I would not be cast aside as a "sinner", I would not be giving up on and thrown into the depths of hell.
If anything, groups evangelizing Eastern Philosophy and Religion are taking advantage of the hippie and drug counter-cultures and their quest for - you guessed it - Self-Realization. Shit, the Hippies of the 60's acted as one of the main vehicles promoting the Westernization of Eastern Philosophy and Religion. Eastern Philosophy, as it is known to Western Culture, and recreational drug use go hand and hand.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: PsillySighBen]
#15412213 - 11/23/11 09:30 AM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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PsillySighBen said: Buddhists and Janists - in my experience - never act as the overzealous Christians do.
you must have some pretty limited experiences, hindu, buddhists, all religious groups have their share, the extremists even resort to terrorism and murder and these arent isolated cases
http://www.compassdirect.org/english/country/bangladesh/18416
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2010-12-17/india/28265611_1_tensions-and-political-confrontations-group-among-certain-elements-bigger-threat
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#15412216 - 11/23/11 09:31 AM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: why all the hate for people that believe in the christian god, I keep hearing people on this site talking about respect, unity, tolerance, open mindedness and enlightenment yet every time the subject of christianity comes up the intolerant haters calling themselves atheists come out of the woodwork like cockroaches. I astounds me that alternate religions like Jainism, Buddhism are so accepted here but to believe in the mainstream religions a person must be a delusional twat
yeah... we see how enlightening psychedelics and education are
Christians are not tolerant.
It'd be nice if they were, and maybe some people could learn to put up with the scourge of humanity for about 2000 years.
But no, they're close-minded ignoramuses. Believing what theyre told, hating what theyre told to hate, and, in general, not acting in any way like the god they grovel to.
This goes for all religious people, but since most of us live in the west, we all have to deal with the sheer stupidity of zionism on a daily basis.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#15412237 - 11/23/11 09:36 AM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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Let me just add that I don't have to be nice to people who choose to be ignorant. Being ignorant includes believing in something in which there is absolutely ZERO proof.
But I think we both know that, and would rather not have this one-sided argument in the pub, again.
If some asshole started up a religion tomorrow, preaching the same things as Christians, and acting the same way they do, (hating gays, muslims, and pretty much anyone who doesn't agree with them) the whole world would be crying foul. "Zomg look at this cult! wreaking havoc on society, and progress in general, waging war, and molesting children!"
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15412243 - 11/23/11 09:38 AM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: why all the hate for people that believe in the christian god, I keep hearing people on this site talking about respect, unity, tolerance, open mindedness and enlightenment yet every time the subject of christianity comes up the intolerant haters calling themselves atheists come out of the woodwork like cockroaches. I astounds me that alternate religions like Jainism, Buddhism are so accepted here but to believe in the mainstream religions a person must be a delusional twat
yeah... we see how enlightening psychedelics and education are
well said. well said...
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Prisoner#1]
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PsillySighBen said: Buddhists and Janists - in my experience - never act as the overzealous Christians do.
you must have some pretty limited experiences, hindu, buddhists, all religious groups have their share, the extremists even resort to terrorism and murder and these arent isolated cases
http://www.compassdirect.org/english/country/bangladesh/18416
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2010-12-17/india/28265611_1_tensions-and-political-confrontations-group-among-certain-elements-bigger-threat
I understand that there are extremists on every side of every world view - I only speak of and evaluate my experiences first hand with followers of *whatever* religious sect. Despite the fact that I've never first hand witnessed a Christian, Hindu, Janist, or Buddhist murder anyone for their cause, IMO, in my history, and quite possibly the world's, Christians are the most violent and extreme in the face of opposition.
I'm not willing to go into a "terrorism" conversation Myths and Conspiracies man.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: PsillySighBen] 1
#15412264 - 11/23/11 09:46 AM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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christians just murder entire sects of people who endanger their corporation.
"Hey, what if the sun is the center of the solar system?"
FUCKING DIE HERETIC!
(well, they probably said "freakin die heretic," the word fuck isn't Christian.)
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Prisoner#1 said: why all the hate for people that believe in the christian god, I keep hearing people on this site talking about respect, unity, tolerance, open mindedness and enlightenment yet every time the subject of christianity comes up the intolerant haters calling themselves atheists come out of the woodwork like cockroaches. I astounds me that alternate religions like Jainism, Buddhism are so accepted here but to believe in the mainstream religions a person must be a delusional twat
yeah... we see how enlightening psychedelics and education are
Prisoner , Hi my names mike , long time listener fist time caller . I agree with you here to a point . Your message while accurately conveys your opinion , contradicts itself outright by the message contained inside it . Not saying I don't do this all the time , hell sometimes for fun. In a sense Your actions are no different then the Professor yelling at the bible thumper , nor the OP voicing his opinion by seeking great entertainment in a video of "hate" . Your opinion is just like everyone else's limited and fruitless ... Not to Say this doesn't make life more entertaining for everyone ( I'm actually fairly sure us monkeys just get a kick out of screaming at eachother and throwing shit:)
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
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Wow that preacher guy got owned.
These guys preaching on campus are out of line if you ask me. I am a religious guy but that is a major turn off even to me.
If you want to convert people you dont tell them they are going to burn in hell for sins. It just doesnt seem like an appealing advertisement to me.
I dont even concern myself with an afterlife. Thats not why I do good things.
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PsillySighBen said: I've came across people like this on campus numerous times and every single one of them is bonkers for Christ
That's such bullshit. The crazy ones just stand out more. But you don't know who the rest of them are, because they're sane and don't draw your attention. There are crazy people in all walks of life. Christianity can be an excuse for stupid people to be stupid, and that often puts the stupid label on Christianity. But I can tell you for sure, there are just as many stupid fucks who call themselves atheists too, but you don't go around saying every single atheist is a stupid fuck.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said: why all the hate for people that believe in the christian god, I keep hearing people on this site talking about respect, unity, tolerance, open mindedness and enlightenment yet every time the subject of Christianity comes up the intolerant haters calling themselves atheists come out of the woodwork like cockroaches. I astounds me that alternate religions like Jainism, Buddhism are so accepted here but to believe in the mainstream religions a person must be a delusional twat
yeah... we see how enlightening psychedelics and education are
I agree, and I really dislike some aspects of this site due to the non stop bashing and threads that get derailed because some kid thinks he's badass calling Jesus a Faggot. I believe most of the users on this site with all the ignorant bashing are young reefer males. Who have had either no religious upbringing of ANY faith, and gather their stereotypes of what they see on tv and the internet. Simple ignorance and hostility. You only see Extremist's in the media.
Or sometimes it's quite the opposite. One sect of Christianity known as the Roman Catholics in my opinion have done WAY more harm than good. They have had the holier than thou, hell or high water attitude that has scared and appalled so many people from the church. Man made Religion, Not Christ. He came to tell the Church(JEWS) of his day that their teachings were wrong. He also has said that when he returns the church will have become so perverted that he will destroy it once more. Why do people have a hard time understanding this....
If you can read through all the bullshit, there is many great truth within a sea of lies.
It's a damn shame that so many people who have claimed to used psychedelics can act so blindly, however I truly believe most posters on shroomery don't use mushrooms all that often. I'm talking solo tripping with large doses of psychedelics, much like Mckenna spoke of. Not tripping with friends for shits and giggles. These are powerful substances and they should bring some perspective into the users life. Most importantly the user should find the universal network that we are all connected too, and should understand that Intelligent Design is the only answer.
I was confirmed a Lutheran Christian. I do not consider myself a Lutheran to this day, mainly because I do think with logic, I ask questions when things don't make sense, and had to find my own answers because the church didn't have any. I only consider myself Christian. I am someone who believes in the new testament. I believe the Roman catholic church to be a deceiver, one who adds and takes away from the scriptures to fit political desires. Which they did since 300 A.D. When they voted on whether Jesus was to be made God or not.
I know an Energy called Christ is Exists and is very much Active. I do not use this energy as my Savior, my free pass to heaven. But simply as a teacher, you can learn if you want to, you don't need a book or a church. Your mind is already connected.
Those filled with Hate will only spread Hate.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
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Prisoner#1 said: why all the hate for people that believe in the christian god, I keep hearing people on this site talking about respect, unity, tolerance, open mindedness and enlightenment yet every time the subject of christianity comes up the intolerant haters calling themselves atheists come out of the woodwork like cockroaches. I astounds me that alternate religions like Jainism, Buddhism are so accepted here but to believe in the mainstream religions a person must be a delusional twat
yeah... we see how enlightening psychedelics and education are
Christians are not tolerant.
I never claimed they were
I was referring to this community, the so called enlightened people who preach tolerance and respect... what ever happened to practicing what you preach
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like a psychedelic community?
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This goes for all religious people, but since most of us live in the west, we all have to deal with the sheer stupidity of zionism on a daily basis.
and the so stupidity of the so called 'non religious' drug users
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HeroMike said: Prisoner , Hi my names mike , long time listener fist time caller . I agree with you here to a point . Your message while accurately conveys your opinion , contradicts itself outright by the message contained inside it . Not saying I don't do this all the time , hell sometimes for fun. In a sense Your actions are no different then the Professor yelling at the bible thumper
didnt Jesus say 'let he who is without sin throw the first stone'
well, I'm certainly not sin free but I do like to throw rocks
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, nor the OP voicing his opinion by seeking great entertainment in a video of "hate" . Your opinion is just like everyone else's limited and fruitless ... Not to Say this doesn't make life more entertaining for everyone ( I'm actually fairly sure us monkeys just get a kick out of screaming at eachother and throwing shit:)
oh but he is expressing his opinion of the bible thumper, it's stated quite clearly in the original post, here' I'll refresh your memory
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Towards the end of the video I actually felt really sorry for the preacher. Imagine how disconnected and confusing the world must seem to him. Not only does he believe all of the superstition and negativity about sin, but he is compelled to embarrass himself in order to spread the "good word." It's just beyond me. That man needs a big group hug and a cold beer with friends.
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religious or not... that guy was a little nutty eh...
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Christians are not tolerant.
I never claimed they were
I was referring to this community, the so called enlightened people who preach tolerance and respect... what ever happened to practicing what you preach
Why would you expect people who preach tolerance and respect to be tolerant and respectful of those who are intolerant and disrespectful?
Obviously, the people here who preach tolerance and respect feel that only those who are respectful deserve it... there's no sense in being tolerant and respectful of assholes, and the people here who preach tolerance and respect acknowledge this.
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Prisoner#1 said: what ever happened to practicing what you preach
I dunno, what happened to it? The people here who preach tolerance and respect of those who are deserving of it are practicing what they preach... there is nothing hypocritical about being intolerant/disrespectful of others who you deem to be unworthy of your tolerance/respect, especially if you don't preach that absolutely everyone (including intolerant/disrespectful assholes) deserves tolerance/respect.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Poid]
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religion debates go no where.. you can't debate anything when God is on their side. 'Because God wanted it like that' is pretty tough to comeback at.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said: why all the hate for people that believe in the christian god, I keep hearing people on this site talking about respect, unity, tolerance, open mindedness and enlightenment yet every time the subject of christianity comes up the intolerant haters calling themselves atheists come out of the woodwork like cockroaches. I astounds me that alternate religions like Jainism, Buddhism are so accepted here but to believe in the mainstream religions a person must be a delusional twat
yeah... we see how enlightening psychedelics and education are
did you even watch the video? maybe you should be asking why christians are attempting to preach and convert people in public areas so incessantly.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Poid] 1
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Lol wow @ this thread
I think so far Chemical Sandman is the most on point. I believe Yeshua/Issa Ibn Yosef (aka Jesus Christ) didn't want people to worship him for that would be idolization, even though he could of been the son of God,I rather think Yeshua/Jesus was here to teach us great morals about ourselves than to actually be worshiped as his father, God. The Catholic Church has changed the original doctrine and by this changed doctrine had managed to again domain rule over Europe (and some parts of Africa and Asia though not a big influence) for a very long time since after the fall of democracy in the Roman Empire which fell to it's own greed and Gothic invasion. Italy had to regain it's own power back which they did through the Church. Even though Yeshua was a great man, there is many parts of his life we donot know as much of his life in the bible been left out... There's this website called www.essene.com that claims to have pieces of Esoteric teachings, it's very interesting. There's a page on there called The Tibetan Book Of Gospel. It explains that after his time in Egypt that Yeshua went to India and study Hinduism and Buddhism reaching enlightenment at a early age. Even though I donot know how much credibility this pertains, but it would explain the peaceful nature of Yeshua. Also on the website, there is another series of books claimed to be from the Vatican called the Essene Gospel Of Peace, which Yeshua speaks in parables how to naturally cleanse your body of all disease, seven day fasting, and to eat a vegan diet, as well as metaphorically speaking on how the Sun produces vitamin D and with that Vitamin D at night in the dark you produce Melatonin which is secreted from the Pineal Gland giving endorphins or something along those lines. (Correct me if I am wrong?) Which is crazy, if these texts are really from ancient times (The first book was translated into english in the 1920's-30's) then this knowledge is really impressive as how could ancient man know any of this type of knowledge that science in modern day times only discovered in the last 50 or so years? But once again I donot know how much credibility that website pertains. but is definitly worth checking out.
But as far as religion goes, I am not religious. Religion is latin to be bound, only thing I bonded to is my word for my word is my bond. I think all "religions" in the long run teach the same morals. Peace, Tolerance, Love, Unity, Confidence, Faith, Knowledge, Good Health, e.t.c. But alot of people get twisted up in the brain-washing of who's right over wrong that they forget about the morals really should be taught. It's what's in your heart, right? Alright guys, pce!
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: wildchild68] 1
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wildchild68 said: did you even watch the video? maybe you should be asking why christians are attempting to preach and convert people in public areas so incessantly.
looks like this one was brought upon himself, homeboy.
I don't think anyone's saying he didn't. They're just asking why there needs to be such an atheist circlejerk around the scene every time the word "christian" comes up in any conversation. It's getting tedious.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: BothHands]
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PsillySighBen said: I've came across people like this on campus numerous times and every single one of them is bonkers for Christ
That's such bullshit. The crazy ones just stand out more. But you don't know who the rest of them are, because they're sane and don't draw your attention. There are crazy people in all walks of life. Christianity can be an excuse for stupid people to be stupid, and that often puts the stupid label on Christianity. But I can tell you for sure, there are just as many stupid fucks who call themselves atheists too, but you don't go around saying every single atheist is a stupid fuck.
sounds like you took that out of context and way overreacted.
"people like this" - that implies people like the one in the video. so of course they're going to be bonkers for christ. don't take it so personally.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: wildchild68]
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I guess I assumed that wasn't what he meant, because I otherwise it would just be a whacky redundant sentence, and I gave him more credit than that.
You're saying he meant:
"Every single one of these bonkers for christ lunatics are bonkers for christ lunatics"?
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Why don't people just accept that we all have an infinitely varied range of beliefs? Of course, when you begin to try imposing those beliefs upon others you'll be met with resistance and disdain; but there isn't any justification or reason to resort to attempting to impose those beliefs upon others in the first place.
In any case, the professor owned the Preacher. "God" was clearly not on his side that day.
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Religion is an old archaic useless crutch. Every single religion is bullshit, pure bullshit. I include buddhism and other "spirtual" religions as well.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Chemical_Sandman]
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Chemical_Sandman said: I agree, and I really dislike some aspects of this site due to the non stop bashing and threads that get derailed because some kid thinks he's badass calling Jesus a Faggot. I believe most of the users on this site with all the ignorant bashing are young reefer males. Who have had either no religious upbringing of ANY faith, and gather their stereotypes of what they see on tv and the internet. Simple ignorance and hostility. You only see Extremist's in the media.
I think jesus was probably a pretty awesome, enlightened guy. but instead of seeking that enlightenment for themselves, somewhere down the line christians decided hero worship was the right answer.
reefer males? good one. 
no religious upbringing of any faith? well, i'd say that's not too accurate. i think a lot of people that have negative feelings towards christianity have dealt with it a lot, hence where the dislike comes from.
for example, i was raised christian. i've dealt with it my whole life. has absolutely nothing to do with ignorance, i can tell you that much.
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Chemical_Sandman said: It's a damn shame that so many people who have claimed to used psychedelics can act so blindly, however I truly believe most posters on shroomery don't use mushrooms all that often. I'm talking solo tripping with large doses of psychedelics, much like Mckenna spoke of. Not tripping with friends for shits and giggles. These are powerful substances and they should bring some perspective into the users life. Most importantly the user should find the universal network that we are all connected too, and should understand that Intelligent Design is the only answer.
This shit is lame. Psychedelics don't force enlightenment. If you think you found enlightenment on psychedelics then good for you, keep it to yourself. Other people have found that enlightenment doesn't exist by using psychedelics. They should also keep it to themselves. If people didn't expect others to see things the same way they do, this thread wouldn't exist. Anyway, you are wrong about this and you should wake up and see the truth man.
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If you believe in god, any god, I question your sanity.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Religion is hilarious because the bible thumpers hate the people who don't practice anything, the percentage of people who don't practice anything but are still just annoying hate the bible thumpers, and everyone forgets about the normal people who don't give a shit either way. If you're a good person to me I could give fuck all if you believe in Xenu, Buddha, Jesus or Mohammad.
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"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.”
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: PreparationH]
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PreparationH said: "Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.”
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Ex-fucking-actly. If there is a God and he gave me this brain why would he punish me for using it? It doesn't make any sense. Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumbbbb dumb.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: psilyguy]
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Chemical_Sandman said: It's a damn shame that so many people who have claimed to used psychedelics can act so blindly, however I truly believe most posters on shroomery don't use mushrooms all that often. I'm talking solo tripping with large doses of psychedelics, much like Mckenna spoke of. Not tripping with friends for shits and giggles. These are powerful substances and they should bring some perspective into the users life. Most importantly the user should find the universal network that we are all connected too, and should understand that Intelligent Design is the only answer.
This shit is lame. Psychedelics don't force enlightenment. If you think you found enlightenment on psychedelics then good for you, keep it to yourself. Other people have found that enlightenment doesn't exist by using psychedelics. They should also keep it to themselves. If people didn't expect others to see things the same way they do, this thread wouldn't exist. Anyway, you are wrong about this and you should wake up and see the truth man.
Wow, touch a nerve did I?
I never said psychedelics force enlightenment, IE yourself, and the majority of people who only use them a handful of times for party reasons.
I don't understand how I can be wrong about an opinion either...
I was simply implying that psychedelics can be used as a very powerful tool, it is not the only way to enlightenment but can be a path for some. There are shamans on the boards and many psychedelic explorers, however I was referring to the vast majority of people who hate and bash on these boards, not being experienced, and still stuck in a lower state of consciousness.
There is nothing wrong with tripping for fun either, I am not an elitist but I do believe at some point in time you have to treat these substances with respect and swim into the deep end.
Then you, like everyone else, including myself, will see how wrong we have been about everything.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Morphogenesis] 2
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A professor who calls someone he is debating with a motherfucker in the presence of students is a horrible rolemodel. What a prick
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: DZ74]
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DZ74 said: Lol wow @ this thread
I think so far Chemical Sandman is the most on point. I believe Yeshua/Issa Ibn Yosef (aka Jesus Christ) didn't want people to worship him for that would be idolization, even though he could of been the son of God,I rather think Yeshua/Jesus was here to teach us great morals about ourselves than to actually be worshiped as his father, God. The Catholic Church has changed the original doctrine and by this changed doctrine had managed to again domain rule over Europe (and some parts of Africa and Asia though not a big influence) for a very long time since after the fall of democracy in the Roman Empire which fell to it's own greed and Gothic invasion. Italy had to regain it's own power back which they did through the Church. Even though Yeshua was a great man, there is many parts of his life we donot know as much of his life in the bible been left out... There's this website called www.essene.com that claims to have pieces of Esoteric teachings, it's very interesting. There's a page on there called The Tibetan Book Of Gospel. It explains that after his time in Egypt that Yeshua went to India and study Hinduism and Buddhism reaching enlightenment at a early age. Even though I donot know how much credibility this pertains, but it would explain the peaceful nature of Yeshua. Also on the website, there is another series of books claimed to be from the Vatican called the Essene Gospel Of Peace, which Yeshua speaks in parables how to naturally cleanse your body of all disease, seven day fasting, and to eat a vegan diet, as well as metaphorically speaking on how the Sun produces vitamin D and with that Vitamin D at night in the dark you produce Melatonin which is secreted from the Pineal Gland giving endorphins or something along those lines. (Correct me if I am wrong?) Which is crazy, if these texts are really from ancient times (The first book was translated into english in the 1920's-30's) then this knowledge is really impressive as how could ancient man know any of this type of knowledge that science in modern day times only discovered in the last 50 or so years? But once again I donot know how much credibility that website pertains. but is definitly worth checking out.
But as far as religion goes, I am not religious. Religion is latin to be bound, only thing I bonded to is my word for my word is my bond. I think all "religions" in the long run teach the same morals. Peace, Tolerance, Love, Unity, Confidence, Faith, Knowledge, Good Health, e.t.c. But alot of people get twisted up in the brain-washing of who's right over wrong that they forget about the morals really should be taught. It's what's in your heart, right? Alright guys, pce!
Nice post. I agree very much that with living a clean life, creates a clean mind, and that Jesus left us many hints to help us active our pineal gland and help us get closer to a higher realm of consciousness. It's a shame the church doesn't embrace this concept.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said: why all the hate for people that believe in the christian god, I keep hearing people on this site talking about respect, unity, tolerance, open mindedness and enlightenment yet every time the subject of christianity comes up the intolerant haters calling themselves atheists come out of the woodwork like cockroaches. I astounds me that alternate religions like Jainism, Buddhism are so accepted here but to believe in the mainstream religions a person must be a delusional twat
yeah... we see how enlightening psychedelics and education are
I know. Not that i subscribe to any religion, but I've seen quite a few Xtians get run off around here.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Asante]
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: BothHands]
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Prisoner#1 said:oh but he is oh but he is expressing his opinion of the bible thumper, it's stated quite clearly in the original post, here' I'll refresh your memory
so what? he expressed his opinion on the bible thumper in the video, not christianity as a whole. you were the one who made that logic jump.
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BothHands said: I don't think anyone's saying he didn't. They're just asking why there needs to be such an atheist circlejerk around the scene every time the word "christian" comes up in any conversation. It's getting tedious.
well, there was no circle jerk when pris posted that. looks like he kind of initiated it.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: XUL]
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XUL said: These guys preaching on campus are out of line if you ask me.
no more so than a professor that steals a briefcase from the preacher, the thing about these sidewalk sermons, you dont have to stop, you dont have to listen, you dont even have to acknowledge their presence. a person can simply keep on walking
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Caine said: Religion and science are just two ways to try to describe the exact same thing! There's no reason why someone can't be both logical and religious. 
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: wildchild68]
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Prisoner#1 said:oh but he is oh but he is expressing his opinion of the bible thumper, it's stated quite clearly in the original post, here' I'll refresh your memory
so what? he expressed his opinion on the bible thumper in the video, not christianity as a whole. you were the one who made that logic jump.
so what? I simply expressed my opinion on those that bash bible thumpers
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Prisoner#1 said: why all the hate for people that believe in the christian god, I keep hearing people on this site talking about respect, unity, tolerance, open mindedness and enlightenment yet every time the subject of christianity comes up the intolerant haters calling themselves atheists come out of the woodwork like cockroaches. I astounds me that alternate religions like Jainism, Buddhism are so accepted here but to believe in the mainstream religions a person must be a delusional twat
yeah... we see how enlightening psychedelics and education are
the problem with religion, and christians in particular (because they're everywhere), is they believe CRAZY shit. not only that, but sometimes the crazy shit they believe, causes them to do crazy things.
i think that when it comes to religion, people who honestly believe that stuff have mental disorders. for the record, im not talking shit. stating my opinion. when someone disregards hard evidence and facts because it doesn't line up with something written in a BOOK they live their life by. (they call it the bible) i think it's fair to say there is something wrong with that persons mental health.
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Prisoner#1 said:oh but he is oh but he is expressing his opinion of the bible thumper, it's stated quite clearly in the original post, here' I'll refresh your memory
so what? he expressed his opinion on the bible thumper in the video, not christianity as a whole. you were the one who made that logic jump.
so what? I simply expressed my opinion on those that bash bible thumpers
right, but you made the classic mistake of taking a comment someone made about an individual and trying to make it seem as though that person was talking about a vast group of individuals.
you were the one who made this thread about christianity as a whole.
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PreparationH said: "Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.”
― Marcus Aurelius

Belief in a higher power is, contrary to popular belief, not a prerequisite to leading a good life. One can easily don a philosophy of kindness towards others and a humble disposition even if they do not believe in any religious or ontological schools of thought.
The commandments and rules postulated forth by various religions serve only to divide. The "Thou shalt's" and "Thou shalt nots" are not the direct will of a unified, omniscient Creator as there is no absolute right or wrong. The path of the atheist is his own, as is the path of the spiritual devotee. Neither of the two paths are superior to one another, as they both serve as valid paths of existing and knowing of the megacosm. In the case of the preacher and the professor, they are obviously situated in two opposing points of view which were shown to clash when confronted, yet they remain that: points of views. Attempting to invalidate another entity due to your personal disdain of and disagreement in the beliefs and perspectives held by that entity is arrogant and quite foolish. Very little people seem to truly grasp the notion of "unification" and "balance" in regards to all things, and can only do so with varying degrees of distortion of that concept.
I understand both the viewpoints of the ardent atheist as well as the zealous fervor of the believer, as I was once the former and now the latter. The beef most atheists have (I am making a generalization) is with organized religion and their various institutions and dogmas and what is traditionally defined by these institutions as "god". This viewpoint is that this "God" is something separate from themselves, intangible, impossible to perceive, and with no way to form a personal connection with nor to directly experience it... heh. Given this it is entirely plausible for an individual to deny the existence of such a being, whose very existence lacks any sort of possible verification and look towards other means of existential fulfillment (indeed, many atheists suffer from what can be considered an inherent lack of fulfillment in existence). And they cannot be blamed as most topics and theories on "what lies beyond" are framed in relation to what religion provides.
I can not speak for why the religious are the way they are, as I have mentioned before all entities are privy to an infinitely varied range of beliefs as well as reasons for those beliefs. Faith is the driving point for the religious. What is wrong with that, an individual having faith? More often than not that faith helps shape the person to better themselves or to give some semblance of substance and meaning to their life.
It is truly a shame when individuals of the aforementioned stances clash, for there is no reason to clash. The faithful preach acceptance of others, yet at times they attempt to modify the beliefs of those whose views aren't aligned with their own. The atheist puts forth that there is no higher force "behind the curtain", we are all on this spinning mudball for no reason, and die and rot away. Why then would the atheist want to spread this quasi-nihilistic viewpoint to others? We are all in this shithole together, no? Might as well accept others and revel in the grandness of humanity instead of attempting to belittle or debunk the lifestyles, hopes and views of others.
Going on the assumption that there is a divine, ineffable and omniscient entity which forms the foundation for all things in the Creation, it would certainly not be predisposed to choosing sides. It would blink neither at the lightness nor the darkness, the skeptic or the believer, as it would accept all as aspects of Itself treading various paths in order to ascertain experience and come to eventually know Itself. If all things are aspects of Itself, then the aforementioned description of "God" of it being separate from us and our incapability of developing a personal connection with it would not make sense.
To avoid dissent and to attempt to slowly bridge the gap between atheists and believers, one can simply say we're part of the same energy that manifests this reality. One can speak in terms of quantum physics referencing proven concepts (non locality, wave/particle duality) for the scientifically minded or that we all stem from one undivided Godhead for the believers. There is no need for conflict in this topic. Our work, all of humanity's work, is here on Earth. Pouring your energy into arguing the existence or lack thereof of a being which humanity, with its limited scope of reality and understanding, cannot fully comprehend serves no purpose. All will be as it is, people will choose to believe or not, and everyone has equally valid reasons for their beliefs or lack thereof, as all paths are valid when viewed from a scope of undifferentiated and divine unity.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Newbie]
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I've only had problems with extreme Republican Christians, If don't listen and agree with them 100% then your nothing but a Commie, American hating, failure in life, going to burn in hell douche. So I do hate some Christians but over all most of them are great people. I think the problems come out when religion and politics get mixed.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: AnonO]
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i think that when it comes to religion, people who honestly believe that stuff have mental disorders. for the record, im not talking shit. stating my opinion. when someone disregards hard evidence and facts because it doesn't line up with something written in a BOOK they live their life by. (they call it the bible) i think it's fair to say there is something wrong with that persons mental health.
So do the Hindus, Buddhists, etc. Like a few have said, religion in any form is a mental disorder, IMHO.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: uber_aj]
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Caine said: Religion and science are just two ways to try to describe the exact same thing! There's no reason why someone can't be both logical and religious. 
Wait...what?
it's a pretty simple statement and it's actually accurate
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Prisoner#1 said: why all the hate for people that believe in the christian god, I keep hearing people on this site talking about respect, unity, tolerance, open mindedness and enlightenment yet every time the subject of Christianity comes up the intolerant haters calling themselves atheists come out of the woodwork like cockroaches. I astounds me that alternate religions like Jainism, Buddhism are so accepted here but to believe in the mainstream religions a person must be a delusional twat
yeah... we see how enlightening psychedelics and education are
Granted I'm not on this site as often as you are, but I really only see the claims you're talking about in TPE, which is full of noobs who just did DXM or shrooms for the first time, and in the Mysticism forum, which obvious attracts one small demographic.
it happens less lately but it goes through spurts where there's a dozen or more per week
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Show me a video of an atheist standing in a foyer of a church shouting at people and I'll say the same about him.
you've never heard of Richard Feynman or Richard Dawkins? both of them and hundreds of other atheist have done virtually this very thing, they take up their soap box any way they can
Richard Dawkins 'interviewing' Wendy Wright, the first of a 7 part preaching session from an atheist
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: AnonO] 1
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the problem with religion, and christians in particular (because they're everywhere), is they believe CRAZY shit. not only that, but sometimes the crazy shit they believe, causes them to do crazy things.
crazy shit like the NWO, the Government did 9/11, secret sects of people running the world, aliens abducting people and probing their butts, space worms, chemtrails, 2012, NASA missions were faked, etc...?
you're right, crazy people are everywhere and they dont have to be christians to ignore reason, logic and facts
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Caine said: Religion and science are just two ways to try to describe the exact same thing! There's no reason why someone can't be both logical and religious. 
Wait...what?
it's a pretty simple statement and it's actually accurate
No it isn't.
Science describes the world as it is, whereas religion just makes shit up about the world... the world as it is ≠ made up shit about the world, they do not describe the exact same thing at all.
One can't be both a logical and religious person because religion requires faith... faith is irrational (i.e. illogical), and a person who has faith is illogical.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Poid] 1
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Wait...what?
it's a pretty simple statement and it's actually accurate
No it isn't.
it is an accurate statement, firstly not all scientists are atheist or agnostic, there are a great number of christians that are scientists. second science and religion do try and explain things like to origins of life, various phenomenon, and other things we've had little understanding of in the past. one takes a certain method to test out these ideas while the other simply attributes it to god
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One can't be both a logical and religious person because religion requires faith... faith is irrational (i.e. illogical), and a person who has faith is illogical.
faith is required in science just as it is with the religion of atheism and just as it is in the other religions. you seem to be like many others and under the impression that a person cant believe in god and believe in evolution, not all christians believe the bible to be 100% fact, many understand that science has the upper hand when it comes to the explanations that people seek. do all christians with medical conditions sit by and wait for god to heal them of their cancer or hemorrhoids or do they seek out the medical professionals? would that not suggest that they also have faith in the sciences, sciences that are often times as flawed as religion... Doctards have the faith that they've made the right diagnosis, prescribed the right treatments and pills and yet nearly 300,000 people die each year as a result of these doctards screwing it up
or are doctards not scientists?
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Poid]
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Christians are not tolerant.
I never claimed they were
I was referring to this community, the so called enlightened people who preach tolerance and respect... what ever happened to practicing what you preach
Why would you expect people who preach tolerance and respect to be tolerant and respectful of those who are intolerant and disrespectful?
Obviously, the people here who preach tolerance and respect feel that only those who are respectful deserve it... there's no sense in being tolerant and respectful of assholes, and the people here who preach tolerance and respect acknowledge this.
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Prisoner#1 said: what ever happened to practicing what you preach
]I dunno, what happened to it? The people here who preach tolerance and respect of those who are deserving of it are practicing what they preach... there is nothing hypocritical about being intolerant/disrespectful of others who you deem to be unworthy of your tolerance/respect, especially if you don't preach that absolutely everyone (including intolerant/disrespectful assholes) deserves tolerance/respect.
I'm not sure you understand what tolerance is.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Mind Transcribing]
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Wait...what?
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind"
Albert Einstein, "Science, Philosophy and Religion: a Symposium", 1941
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Prisoner#1] 2
#15413624 - 11/23/11 03:43 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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Religion, as the term is used, explains nothing close to what science attempts to plumb. Science concerns itself with the tangible, attempting to validate, explain, observe, examine, and determine various facets, laws, and phenomenon in and of existence, at least in regards to things which are tangible.
Religion indoctrinates and creates various systems and dogmas and essentially placing human distortions and takes on phenomenon no human could precisely determine, presenting it as unquestionable truth sauteed in questionable fairy tales and using this as the foundation to which the restrictive chains of the respective institution may be applied to govern the lives of its followers.
The accurate term for the study of unseen realms and non-ordinary phenomenon which exist beyond our scope of perception would be metaphysics. Science has its place and its effective uses, as does metaphysics. If one were to try and penetrate metaphysical phenomenon through scientifically-oriented means certainly a breakthrough would be reached.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said: it is an accurate statement, firstly not all scientists are atheist or agnostic, there are a great number of christians that are scientists.
I know this, and don't see the relevance it has to the claim that religion and science describe the exact same thing.
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Prisoner#1 said: second science and religion do try and explain things like to origins of life, various phenomenon, and other things we've had little understanding of in the past.
Sure, there are a few things that both science and religion describe, but in general, they do not describe the exact same thing. One describes reality, the other describes fiction.
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One can't be both a logical and religious person because religion requires faith... faith is irrational (i.e. illogical), and a person who has faith is illogical.
faith is required in science just as it is with the religion of atheism and just as it is in the other religions.
There is no "religion of atheism".
How is faith required in science?
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Prisoner#1 said: you seem to be like many others and under the impression that a person cant believe in god and believe in evolution...
I have no idea why I seem like I'm under that impression to you... I'm not.
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Prisoner#1 said: not all christians believe the bible to be 100% fact, many understand that science has the upper hand when it comes to the explanations that people seek.
So what? Just because they can be logical in some areas doesn't mean that they are generally logical people.
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Prisoner#1 said: do all christians with medical conditions sit by and wait for god to heal them of their cancer or hemorrhoids or do they seek out the medical professionals? would that not suggest that they also have faith in the sciences, sciences that are often times as flawed as religion...
I don't think that would suggest that they have faith in science, because they are aware of the evidence which supports the science that eases their ailments. And they are aware that others have been successfully cured by the treatments given by medical professionals... this isn't faith, it's reasoning.
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Prisoner#1 said: Doctards have the faith that they've made the right diagnosis...
Not necessarily, and even if they did, that wouldn't say anything about science itself. As you said, some scientists are religious... this fact says nothing about science itself.
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Prisoner#1 said: ...prescribed the right treatments and pills and yet nearly 300,000 people die each year as a result of these doctards screwing it up
I'm sure that, before those people died, they were told that the treatments they received aren't 100% safe. Doctors are supposed to let their patients be aware of any risks involved in the treatments they receive. If a person dies after being aware of the risks, how is that the doctor's fault? If the doctor is aware that a treatment is unsafe, how is it that he has faith that the treatment will be successful?
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: unam sanctum]
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What makes you think that?
sympathy or indulgence for beliefs or practices differing from or conflicting with one's own; the act of allowing something.
Where did I write something which showed that I don't understand that this is the definition of tolerance?
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: sunset_mission]
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sunset_mission said: Religion, as the term is used, explains nothing close to what science attempts to plumb. Science concerns itself with the tangible, attempting to validate, explain, observe, examine, and determine various facets, laws, and phenomenon in and of existence, at least in regards to things which are tangible.
so why then do Dawkins, Feynman and many others try to disprove the existence of god, does this mean they arent actually scientists?
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Religion indoctrinates
as does science, just as any other religion there are many sects, some believe special relativity, the string theory, abiogenesis while others do not and there's plenty of infighting between them
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Religion indoctrinates
as does science...
I've never seen a scientific article that "preaches" its message in the same way that religious writings do.
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Prisoner#1 said: ...just as any other religion there are many sects, some believe special relativity, the string theory, abiogenesis while others do not and there's plenty of infighting between them
Different areas of science collaborate with each other, whereas different sects of religion oppose each other... not very similar IMO.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Caine]
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Caine said: Religion and science are just two ways to try to describe the exact same thing! There's no reason why someone can't be both logical and religious. 
yes but the roads they take to get there are black and white
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: uber_aj]
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uber_aj said: Oh come on Pris, having a scheduled interview/debate/argument with another adult is not the same as showing up at a campus or church and shouting at passing-by strangers that they're going to Hell.
isnt it? isnt it the same when it's a TV series where Dawkins shows up at churches as well as offices in order to spread his word, just because we dont see him speaking to the congregation doesnt mean he doesnt, just because there arent hundreds of videos of self righteous atheists screaming down christians doesnt mean it doesnt happen.
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One is private communication between parties interested in the topic (regardless of how heated it gets), the other is either a poor attempt at flagrant, fear-based persuasion, or it's attention whoring.
is Dawkins alleged interview not more of the same sort of attention whoring, this was made for TV, complete with a film crew, far from being private
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Prisoner#1]
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sunset_mission said: Religion, as the term is used, explains nothing close to what science attempts to plumb. Science concerns itself with the tangible, attempting to validate, explain, observe, examine, and determine various facets, laws, and phenomenon in and of existence, at least in regards to things which are tangible.
so why then do Dawkins, Feynman and many others try to disprove the existence of god, does this mean they arent actually scientists?
"God" is a concept that is in and of/relating to existence, however it is not tangible (though at one point DNA and atoms and other particles were not tangible or known to us either). There are no "scientific" means or experiments to prove or disprove "God" in the religious sense. As I stated before pouring your efforts into attempting to prove or disprove an entity that humanity does not have the means to comprehend or come close to penetrating is silly. They are very much so scientists (obviously) approaching a touchy subject from their own standpoint.
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as does science, just as any other religion there are many sects, some believe special relativity, the string theory, abiogenesis while others do not and there's plenty of infighting between them
Religious doctrines and scientific areas of study/theory are not necessarily one and the same. That there are various schools of differing thought that lead to disagreements is similar in both science and religion, I suppose.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: realfuzzhead] 2
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You require faith in science because all science relies on human perception, which science has proven isn't really 100% accurate.
You have to put faith in the idea that what you're seeing is real or none of it works, because you really have no way of actually knowing.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said: yeah... we see how enlightening psychedelics and education are
the problem with religion, and christians in particular (because they're everywhere), is they believe CRAZY shit. not only that, but sometimes the crazy shit they believe, causes them to do crazy things.
crazy shit like the NWO, the Government did 9/11, secret sects of people running the world, aliens abducting people and probing their butts, space worms, chemtrails, 2012, NASA missions were faked, etc...?
you're right, crazy people are everywhere and they dont have to be christians to ignore reason, logic and facts
It is true that crazy people are a universal amongst us, but not too many of these people affect public policy. When a tinfoil hat wearing deluded person makes a run for office, they're written off immediately except the minute minority which comprises their supporters. When someone like Newton Gingrich does so, they get affection by their demographic, which is large enough to garner public attention (and money).
Religion (or any belief for that matter) is fine with me so long as someone isn't trying to dictate how I should live my life.
Also, just by looking at our Congress it appears evident that there is a sizable population of irrational zealots influencing public policy around their own theological and personal beliefs (and the belief of their lobbyist "friends").
I will agree though, before you make the argument, that one one does not need to be religious to be evil, ill willed, or corrupt.
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Most definitely not, but this one did.
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Prisoner#1 said: the first of a 7 part preaching session from an atheist
Anyone making a public statement is preaching by its essential definition. It's most often applied to sermons, but any public proclamation of any belief is preaching. Just sayin'.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Poid]
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Religion indoctrinates
as does science...
I've never seen a scientific article that "preaches" its message in the same way that religious writings do.
dont they? are we not told that there are certain laws regarding science, laws of physics just as there are laws of god
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Different areas of science collaborate with each other, whereas different sects of religion oppose each other... not very similar IMO. 
one group is currently protesting the current discovery of a particle traveling faster than light, saying that their prophet, Einstein is right that's not cooperation, that's opposition. they question the validity through various means such as the substrate it was fired through, the synchronization of clocks, anything to say that the other is wrong and nothing can travel faster than light
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Ieponumos]
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Anyone making a public statement is preaching by its essential definition. It's most often applied to sermons, but any public proclamation of any belief is preaching. Just sayin'.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: propensity]
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That does not follow...
Faith is the firm belief in something for which there is no proof... there is no widely accepted theory in science for which there is no strong evidence, and scientists don't firmly believe in any theory in the same way that the religious firmly believe in God. Just because scientists depend on their perceptions to formulate theories doesn't mean that there is any faith involved.
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What is the relevance of our perceptions not being 100% accurate? Scientists are aware of this when formulating theories, it isn't as if they have faith that their perceptions are 100% accurate.
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propensity said: You have to put faith in the idea that what you're seeing is real or none of it works...
No you don't, all you have to do is form a hypothesis, test it, then make a conclusion based on your test(s)... faith is not necessarily involved in this process, and a valid theory is still valid even if its creator doesn't have faith in it.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: sunset_mission]
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there's no way to prove or disprove the existence of god in any sense, atheist take it on faith because of their beliefs that god doesnt exist while christians believe he does
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as does science, just as any other religion there are many sects, some believe special relativity, the string theory, abiogenesis while others do not and there's plenty of infighting between them
Religious doctrines and scientific areas of study/theory are not necessarily one and the same. That there are various schools of differing thought that lead to disagreements is similar in both science and religion, I suppose.
we can articulate it in any way we wish but it doesnt change the facts, I cannot send my children to public schools for them to learn religious belief of intelligent design or creation, instead they are indoctrinated with the secular views of science. parents are required by law to send their kids to school and as most people cant afford private schools, public schools are the available option for them. why is one view pushed in schools while the other is not, in america we call it indoctrination just as religion indoctrinates children to believe in creation
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Chemical_Sandman]
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Wait...what?
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind"
Albert Einstein, "Science, Philosophy and Religion: a Symposium", 1941
einstein was a brilliant man. but you should also realize that his idea of religion/god is nowehere near what christians believe. his idea of "god" is much like my own.
“The religious feeling engendered by experiencing the logical comprehensibility of profound interrelations is of a somewhat different sort from the feeling that one usually calls religious. It is more a feeling of awe at the scheme that is manifested in the material universe. It does not lead us to take the step of fashioning a god-like being in our own image-a personage who makes demands of us and who takes an interest in us as individuals. There is in this neither a will nor a goal, nor a must, but only sheer being. For this reason, people of our type see in morality a purely human matter, albeit the most important in the human sphere.”
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Prisoner#1]
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as does science...
I've never seen a scientific article that "preaches" its message in the same way that religious writings do.
dont they? are we not told that there are certain laws regarding science, laws of physics just as there are laws of god
Yes, but we're not preached about it in scientific literature; also, scientific literature backs its claims up with evidence, whereas religious people don't. Science articles aren't about preaching, they're about informing... science isn't concerned about converting people, whereas religion is.
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Different areas of science collaborate with each other, whereas different sects of religion oppose each other... not very similar IMO. 
one group is currently protesting the current discovery of a particle traveling faster than light, saying that their prophet, Einstein is right that's not cooperation, that's opposition. they question the validity through various means...
That sounds like collaboration to me; that is what scientists do, they have their peers review their theories. 
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They are just trying to defend their theory because they think it's correct based on the available evidence; both sides are interested in knowing the truth, and there's no better way to arrive at it than by meticulously scrutinizing proposed ideas. This scrutinizing (i.e. peer-review) process is part of the collaboration that occurs between scientists.
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There is no proof that anything you experience is real.
It takes faith to believe anything at all.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: propensity]
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This is nonsense...everything I experience, by definition, exists, and is real.
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Science doesn't have beliefs, it is composed of tentative theories.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Poid]
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That does not follow...
Faith is the firm belief in something for which there is no proof... there is no widely accepted theory in science for which there is no strong evidence.
string theory, abiogenesis, big bang theory, there's thousands of them, some even violate the very laws that science has set, unlike religion, science is set up to say 'whoops, we dun goofed' so they can claim that they werent really wrong, they just didnt have all the facts
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Prisoner#1]
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yikes.
that's the guy who hired an escort and purchased meth from him.
leading a bunch of people who think they are following a man of the lord.
yikes.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Poid]
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Poid said: we're not preached about it in scientific literature; also, scientific literature backs its claims up with evidence, whereas religious people don't.
bible genetics,the bible backed it's claim that breeding sheep in front of a striped pole would produce striped sheep
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Different areas of science collaborate with each other, whereas different sects of religion oppose each other... not very similar IMO. 
one group is currently protesting the current discovery of a particle traveling faster than light, saying that their prophet, Einstein is right that's not cooperation, that's opposition. they question the validity through various means...
That sounds like collaboration to me; that is what scientists do, they have their peers review their theories. 
religious sects must be must collaborating as well
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They are just trying to defend their theory because they think it's correct based on the available evidence
defending their beliefs in some theory or another
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Science doesn't have beliefs, it is composed of tentative theories.
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there's no way to prove or disprove the existence of god in any sense, atheist take it on faith because of their beliefs that god doesnt exist while christians believe he does
In the end proponents of either stance resort to faith, faith of their opinion being right one in the end.
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as does science, just as any other religion there are many sects, some believe special relativity, the string theory, abiogenesis while others do not and there's plenty of infighting between them
Religious doctrines and scientific areas of study/theory are not necessarily one and the same. That there are various schools of differing thought that lead to disagreements is similar in both science and religion, I suppose.
we can articulate it in any way we wish but it doesnt change the facts, I cannot send my children to public schools for them to learn religious belief of intelligent design or creation, instead they are indoctrinated with the secular views of science. parents are required by law to send their kids to school and as most people cant afford private schools, public schools are the available option for them. why is one view pushed in schools while the other is not, in america we call it indoctrination just as religion indoctrinates children to believe in creation
That would stem probably from the decision to divide the church and state? Teaching science in schools over creationism is how it is, it avoids the problem of dissent from individuals of various other faiths being forced to take a class on something that might possibly clash with their own faith, whereas science can be learned and studied by anybody without it clashing with their religious faith since science is not a religious system.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Prisoner#1]
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That does not follow...
Faith is the firm belief in something for which there is no proof... there is no widely accepted theory in science for which there is no strong evidence.
string theory...
Is this a widely-accepted theory among physicists? I'm not sure that it is... either way, there is some convincing evidence that supports it.
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I don't see anything wrong with that... what's wrong with scientists coming up with false conclusions from time to time? The tentativeness of scientific theories is what makes science so great... everything in science is subject to revision pending new evidence that contradicts current understandings.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: wildchild68]
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yikes.
that's the guy who hired an escort and purchased meth from him.
leading a bunch of people who think they are following a man of the lord.
yikes.
dude... meth and hookers, how can he not be a true believer with all that money rolling in, I believe in meth and hookers... and viagra because of the meth
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Poid]
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Prisoner#1 said: ...unlike religion, science is set up to say 'whoops, we dun goofed' so they can claim that they werent really wrong, they just didnt have all the facts
I don't see anything wrong with that... what's wrong with scientists coming up with false conclusions from time to time? The tentativeness of scientific theories is what makes science so great... everything in science is subject to revision pending new evidence that contradicts current understandings.
what's wrong with fraudulent science from time to time?
there's a reason the theories arent scientific fact
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That sounds like collaboration to me; that is what scientists do, they have their peers review their theories. 
religious sects must be must collaborating as well
The difference is that religious sects simply provide their beliefs, show how the beliefs of other religious sects differ from theirs, and from that conclude that those other sects are wrong. Scientists actually provide data/evidence to back their theories, and they do so in pursuit of truth, not for the mere sake of being right.
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They are just trying to defend their theory because they think it's correct based on the available evidence
defending their beliefs in some theory or another
Scientists don't necessarily believe in their theories, and they recognize that theories in science are tentative.
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I don't see anything wrong with that... what's wrong with scientists coming up with false conclusions from time to time? The tentativeness of scientific theories is what makes science so great... everything in science is subject to revision pending new evidence that contradicts current understandings.
what's wrong with fraudulent science from time to time?
there's a reason the theories arent scientific fact
Who said anything about fraudulent science? Just because a scientist is wrong about a certain theory doesn't necessarily mean s/he's a fraud.
Theories aren't called facts because they aren't facts.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Poid]
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propensity said: There is no proof that anything you experience is real.
This is nonsense...everything I experience, by definition, exists, and is real.
i'm going to have to agree with propensity on this one.
everything you experience might be "real" (could be debated), but you're missing the part where people are interpreting the "real".
take for example a spoon. to both an adult and a baby, the spoon is real. but for one of them it's used as an eating utensil while the other one might prefer to use it as a toy used for flinging objects.
perception is everything.
i love science, but to say it paints the whole picture is misleading in my mind.
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wildchild68 said: i'm going to have to agree with propensity on this one.
everything you experience might be "real" (could be debated)...
That is not a debatable point... by definition, an experience exists. Also by definition, everything that exists is real.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Poid]
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Poid said: Theories aren't called facts because they aren't facts. 
just as the ted hagards of this world may make a fortune bilking the believers while pushing the word of god, the believers of science are gobbling up the words of the scientist as though it were the gospel
so as these are tentative beliefs it means that scientists are simply trolling, cranking out theory after theory that they have no confidence in and hoping no one actually looks deeper
great job of making science look even more like religion poid
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everything you experience might be "real" (could be debated)...
That is not a debatable point... by definition, an experience exists. Also by definition, everything that exists is real.
sure, but that experience isn't being experienced by some objective force. it's being experienced by people.
what they take out of that experience can be so varying and disconnected that the realness of the experience isn't exactly something to cling to.
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Poid said: Theories aren't called facts because they aren't facts. 
just as the ted hagards of this world may make a fortune bilking the believers while pushing the word of god, the believers of science are gobbling up the words of the scientist as though it were the gospel
Even if this is true, so what, what does this say about science itself? Nothing.
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They are not trolling... who said that they have no confidence in their theories, and that they hope no one actually looks deeper? Scientists don't necessarily believe in their theories, but this doesn't indicate that they have absolutely no confidence that their theories are correct. It only indicates that they're aware of the possibility that their theories may be incorrect.
Also, they aren't tentative beliefs, they are tentative theories... there's a difference.
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I actually used to believe that science and religion are fundamentally similar (I made a thread about this topic a few years ago in PSP), but now I see that I was wrong.
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wildchild68 said: what they take out of that experience can be so varying and disconnected that the realness of the experience isn't exactly something to cling to.
I'm not getting what you mean by "real" here... what is meant by clinging to the "realness" of an experience?
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I'm not getting what you mean by "real" here... what is meant by clinging to the "realness" of an experience? 
yeah, i might have worded that poorly.
what i'm saying is that your idea of everything experienced being real as a conclusion to what's real and what's not is shortsighted.
a religious person might have a psychedelic experience and attribute the entire occurence to the divine power of god. a scientist might have a psychedelic experience and simply attribute the powerful experience to the simple firing of neurons.
with your understanding, they're both real. so how can you discredit the religious person?
i guess my point is saying something is real doesn't really validate it any sense.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: wildchild68]
#15414080 - 11/23/11 05:37 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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wildchild68 said: a religious person might have a psychedelic experience and attribute the entire occurence to the divine power of god. a scientist might have a psychedelic experience and simply attribute the powerful experience to the simple firing of neurons.
with your understanding, they're both real. so how can you discredit the religious person?
Both of their experiences are real, but they're nothing more than that; experiences. Just because a person attributes their psychedelic experience to God doesn't necessarily mean that God had something to do with it (or that he even exists for that matter); it could be that God had nothing to do with it, and that he's not even real.
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wildchild68 said: i guess my point is saying something is real doesn't really validate it any sense.
I think I see your point now, and I agree.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: wildchild68] 1
#15414113 - 11/23/11 05:43 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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Atheists seem to use science as their main argument. (I am an atheist, just making an observation) I think the scientific method is the best way to go about making your own opinions. But to me it seems a lot of people in general put faith in science, just like others do with religion. If you haven't personally performed or at least witnessed an experiment that provides evidence for something, you can't really be sure about that conclusion. The average person has probably recreated many of the simpler experiments, often in school. But a lot of it is accepted with trust in the source of information. I'm not saying if that is bad or good, but religious people are doing the same thing. They trust the source of their information and put their faith in those beliefs.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: psilyguy]
#15414151 - 11/23/11 05:51 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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Except that oftentimes the faith in theories postulated by the scientist can be proven or disproven through trials enacted to reach such ends, at which point the faith either becomes a truth/fact or, if proven to be wrong, simply fades.
The faith which the religious devotee places in certain things cannot be proven or disproven, thus it remains as merely faith.
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psilyguy said: But to me it seems a lot of people in general put faith in science, just like others do with religion.
I don't think this is really true... religious people have blind, unquestioning belief in their ideas, this is different from the type of belief people generally have in science. People who generally believe in science will from time to time question some of its findings; religious people generally don't question anything about their religion.
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psilyguy said: If you haven't personally performed or at least witnessed an experiment that provides evidence for something, you can't really be sure about that conclusion.
True, but it's far more reasonable to assume that the scientists who conducted a certain experiment, and the scientists who peer-reviewed it and its conclusions are acting in good faith than to assume that they are all lying together.
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psilyguy said: But a lot of it is accepted with trust in the source of information.
That's because the source is (usually) trustworthy, unlike the sources of religious information.
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psilyguy said: I'm not saying if that is bad or good, but religious people are doing the same thing.
It's only similar in that they have beliefs that correlate with a certain source of information... the manner in which they process that information is totally different.
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psilyguy said: They trust the source of their information and put their faith in those beliefs.
No, faith is a firm belief in something for which there is no evidence; people believe in scientific theories because there is a lot of evidence which supports them, and because the source of this evidence seems reliable. This isn't faith, it's reasoning.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Poid]
#15414509 - 11/23/11 07:15 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't think this is really true... religious people have blind, unquestioning belief in their ideas, this is different from the type of belief people generally have in science. People who generally believe in science will from time to time question some of its findings; religious people generally don't question anything about their religion.
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psilyguy said: If you haven't personally performed or at least witnessed an experiment that provides evidence for something, you can't really be sure about that conclusion.
True, but it's far more reasonable to assume that the scientists who conducted a certain experiment, and the scientists who peer-reviewed it and its conclusions are acting in good faith than to assume that all they are all are lying together.
And any journal worth it's salt has a Conflict of Interest policy to deincentivise such behavior.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Morphogenesis]
#15414603 - 11/23/11 07:32 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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This guy is a fucking asshole, plain and simple.
I've long abandoned the belief that people can be "wrong" or "right" about any given goddamned thing. You are deluding yourself if you think you know anything in any sort of permanent, universally meaningful sense.
That's just the end of it. I'm addressing both hardcore theists and atheists with this statement. By virtue of being human, you are deluded. By telling others what to think, you are evoking fascism.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Poid]
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propensity said: There is no proof that anything you experience is real.
This is nonsense...everything I experience, by definition, exists, and is real.
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propensity said: It takes faith to believe anything at all.
Science doesn't have beliefs, it is composed of tentative theories.
Christians claim to experience god. By your definition, God is real.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#15414641 - 11/23/11 07:39 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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Amazing video!! Logic wins!!
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: propensity]
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This is nonsense...everything I experience, by definition, exists, and is real.
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propensity said: It takes faith to believe anything at all.
Science doesn't have beliefs, it is composed of tentative theories.
Christians claim to experience god. By your definition, God is real.
No, those people are just deluded fools!  /sarcasm And now we see the ugly ad hominem at the heart of atheism.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Tchan909 said: This guy is a fucking asshole, plain and simple.
I've long abandoned the belief that people can be "wrong" or "right" about any given goddamned thing. You are deluding yourself if you think you know anything in any sort of permanent, universally meaningful sense.
That's just the end of it. I'm addressing both hardcore theists and atheists with this statement. By virtue of being human, you are deluded. By telling others what to think, you are evoking fascism.
appropriate post considering your monicker under your username.
nah, seriously though, i generally agree.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: propensity]
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propensity said: There is no proof that anything you experience is real.
This is nonsense...everything I experience, by definition, exists, and is real.
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propensity said: It takes faith to believe anything at all.
Science doesn't have beliefs, it is composed of tentative theories.
Christians claim to experience god. By your definition, God is real.
No...
The experience itself is real, but this doesn't necessarily mean that God actually exists; it could be that what Christians experience as "God" doesn't exist anywhere besides in their own minds (and therefore isn't "God" as traditionally defined).
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Poid]
#15414688 - 11/23/11 07:48 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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Poid said: The experience itself is real, but this doesn't necessarily mean that God actually exists; it could be that what Christians experience as "God" doesn't exist anywhere besides in their own minds.
So where do you get off on denying the reality of their experiences?
If you came to me, horribly upset about something, would you be consoled by my reassurance that your unhappiness is only real in your mind and doesn't ultimately matter, or would you just think I'm a prick?
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15414728 - 11/23/11 07:54 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: why all the hate for people that believe in the christian god, I keep hearing people on this site talking about respect, unity, tolerance, open mindedness and enlightenment yet every time the subject of christianity comes up the intolerant haters calling themselves atheists come out of the woodwork like cockroaches. I astounds me that alternate religions like Jainism, Buddhism are so accepted here but to believe in the mainstream religions a person must be a delusional twat
yeah... we see how enlightening psychedelics and education are
i couldnt of said it better myself
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#15414731 - 11/23/11 07:54 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tchan909 said: And now we see the ugly ad hominem at the heart of atheism.
What nonsense is this? There is nothing "at the heart" of atheism besides the absence of a belief in the existence of deities. In fact, atheism is no more than just that.
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So where do you get off on denying the reality of their experiences?
I'm not denying that their experiences are real.
They say God is everywhere, and I don't see him anywhere; obviously, this means that they are just either making crap up, or interpreting ordinary things as being God. Or that I'm just, for some reason, unable to see something that is right in front of me (which is highly doubtful).
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Tchan909 said: If you came to me, horribly upset about something, would you be consoled by my reassurance that your unhappiness is only real in your mind and doesn't ultimately matter, or would you just think I'm a prick?
I wouldn't think much of it really, but I don't see what point you're trying to make here.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Poid]
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Tchan909 said: And now we see the ugly ad hominem at the heart of atheism.
What nonsense is this? There is nothing "at the heart" of atheism besides the absence of a belief in the existence of deities. In fact, atheism is no more than just that.
I honestly have a hard time seeing the line between "passive atheism" and "agnosticism." To set the record straight, when I refer to atheism, I am referring to a denial of the existence of God or gods. I do not see how passive atheism or agnosticism are different, and if you call yourself an atheist there is a passive denial taking place. If you're trying not to shit on the beliefs of others, then call yourself an agnostic for fuck's sake.
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So where do you get off on denying the reality of their experiences?
I'm not denying that their experiences are real.
They say God is everywhere, and I don't see him anywhere; obviously, this means that they are just either making crap up, or interpreting ordinary things as being God. Or that I'm just, for some reason, unable to see something that is right in front of me (which is highly doubtful).
So when somebody tells you God is everywhere, are you assuming that what they are saying should be taken as Gospel truth, or are you assuming that humans are flawed creatures with a necessarily forgivable incomprehension of the grand schema of the universe?
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Tchan909 said: If you came to me, horribly upset about something, would you be consoled by my reassurance that your unhappiness is only real in your mind and doesn't ultimately matter, or would you just think I'm a prick?
I wouldn't think much of it really, but I don't see what point you're trying to make here.
God is subjective. Happiness and grief are subjective, too. If you can't see the value in the willingness of others to take happiness and grief at face value, I officially do not know what I'm arguing for anymore.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Tchan909 said: To set the record straight, when I refer to atheism, I am referring to a denial of the existence of God or gods.
There is nothing at the heart of that definition of atheism besides the denial of the existence of God or gods... I'm not sure why you feel ad hominems are at the heart of atheism. 
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Tchan909 said: So when somebody tells you God is everywhere, are you assuming that what they are saying should be taken as Gospel truth, or are you assuming that humans are flawed creatures with a necessarily forgivable incomprehension of the grand schema of the universe?
I definitely don't assume the former, and I somewhat assume the latter... what's your point?
I'm pretty sure that people are full of shit when they say that God is everywhere, regardless of how forgivable their incomprehension of reality is; if anything, their incomprehension makes it all the more more silly that they make such claims of certitude, and makes me all the less likely to believe them.
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I wouldn't think much of it really, but I don't see what point you're trying to make here.
God is subjective. Happiness and grief are subjective, too.
God supposedly exists in the objective world, not just inside of human skulls; he supposedly exists objectively, as well as subjectively.
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Tchan909 said: If you can't see the value in the willingness of others to take happiness and grief at face value, I officially do not know what I'm arguing for anymore.
I don't really know what you're going on about here... am I showing that I don't see the value in the willingness of others to take happiness and grief at face value? If so, where did I show this?
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: sunset_mission]
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― Marcus Aurelius

Belief in a higher power is, contrary to popular belief, not a prerequisite to leading a good life. One can easily don a philosophy of kindness towards others and a humble disposition even if they do not believe in any religious or ontological schools of thought.
The commandments and rules postulated forth by various religions serve only to divide. The "Thou shalt's" and "Thou shalt nots" are not the direct will of a unified, omniscient Creator as there is no absolute right or wrong. The path of the atheist is his own, as is the path of the spiritual devotee. Neither of the two paths are superior to one another, as they both serve as valid paths of existing and knowing of the megacosm. In the case of the preacher and the professor, they are obviously situated in two opposing points of view which were shown to clash when confronted, yet they remain that: points of views. Attempting to invalidate another entity due to your personal disdain of and disagreement in the beliefs and perspectives held by that entity is arrogant and quite foolish. Very little people seem to truly grasp the notion of "unification" and "balance" in regards to all things, and can only do so with varying degrees of distortion of that concept.
I understand both the viewpoints of the ardent atheist as well as the zealous fervor of the believer, as I was once the former and now the latter. The beef most atheists have (I am making a generalization) is with organized religion and their various institutions and dogmas and what is traditionally defined by these institutions as "god". This viewpoint is that this "God" is something separate from themselves, intangible, impossible to perceive, and with no way to form a personal connection with nor to directly experience it... heh. Given this it is entirely plausible for an individual to deny the existence of such a being, whose very existence lacks any sort of possible verification and look towards other means of existential fulfillment (indeed, many atheists suffer from what can be considered an inherent lack of fulfillment in existence). And they cannot be blamed as most topics and theories on "what lies beyond" are framed in relation to what religion provides.
I can not speak for why the religious are the way they are, as I have mentioned before all entities are privy to an infinitely varied range of beliefs as well as reasons for those beliefs. Faith is the driving point for the religious. What is wrong with that, an individual having faith? More often than not that faith helps shape the person to better themselves or to give some semblance of substance and meaning to their life.
It is truly a shame when individuals of the aforementioned stances clash, for there is no reason to clash. The faithful preach acceptance of others, yet at times they attempt to modify the beliefs of those whose views aren't aligned with their own. The atheist puts forth that there is no higher force "behind the curtain", we are all on this spinning mudball for no reason, and die and rot away. Why then would the atheist want to spread this quasi-nihilistic viewpoint to others? We are all in this shithole together, no? Might as well accept others and revel in the grandness of humanity instead of attempting to belittle or debunk the lifestyles, hopes and views of others.
Going on the assumption that there is a divine, ineffable and omniscient entity which forms the foundation for all things in the Creation, it would certainly not be predisposed to choosing sides. It would blink neither at the lightness nor the darkness, the skeptic or the believer, as it would accept all as aspects of Itself treading various paths in order to ascertain experience and come to eventually know Itself. If all things are aspects of Itself, then the aforementioned description of "God" of it being separate from us and our incapability of developing a personal connection with it would not make sense.
To avoid dissent and to attempt to slowly bridge the gap between atheists and believers, one can simply say we're part of the same energy that manifests this reality. One can speak in terms of quantum physics referencing proven concepts (non locality, wave/particle duality) for the scientifically minded or that we all stem from one undivided Godhead for the believers. There is no need for conflict in this topic. Our work, all of humanity's work, is here on Earth. Pouring your energy into arguing the existence or lack thereof of a being which humanity, with its limited scope of reality and understanding, cannot fully comprehend serves no purpose. All will be as it is, people will choose to believe or not, and everyone has equally valid reasons for their beliefs or lack thereof, as all paths are valid when viewed from a scope of undifferentiated and divine unity.
My .02. 
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Poid]
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Poid said: There is nothing at the heart of that definition of atheism besides the denial of the existence of God or gods... I'm not sure why you feel ad hominems are at the heart of atheism. 
Ad hominems are at the heart of atheism because your assumption that God does not exist implies that your assumptions are superior to those of others. A far more logical approach would be to embrace agnosticism: to admit that, much like anybody else, you just don't know.
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I'm pretty sure that people are full of shit when they say that God is everywhere, regardless of how forgivable their incomprehension of reality is; if anything, their incomprehension makes it all the more more silly that they make such claims of certitude, and makes me all the less likely to believe them.
Your own certainty is where you falter. Your own incomprehension makes it all the more silly that you would summarily deny anything that can't be disproven.
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God is supposedly supposed to exist in the objective world, not just inside of human skulls; he supposedly exists objectively, as well as subjectively.
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am I showing that I don't see the value in the willingness of others to take happiness and grief at face value? If so, where did I show this? 
Would you deny the objective reality of happiness and grief?
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Ad hominems are at the heart of atheism because your assumption that God does not exist implies that your assumptions are superior to those of others. A far more logical approach would be to embrace agnosticism: to admit that, much like anybody else, you just don't know.
I disagree with the underlined portion. Just because you assume something doesn't necessarily mean that you're implying something about the assumptions of others.
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I'm pretty sure that people are full of shit when they say that God is everywhere, regardless of how forgivable their incomprehension of reality is; if anything, their incomprehension makes it all the more more silly that they make such claims of certitude, and makes me all the less likely to believe them.
Your own certainty is where you falter.
I'm not completely certain about anything, and I don't claim to be; I do, however, make educated guesses.
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I don't think so... I think unfalsifiable theories are complete garbage (logically speaking), and shouldn't even be paid any attention to. It makes perfect sense to deny the existence of something that is supposed to be everywhere, but isn't found anywhere.
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God is supposedly supposed to exist in the objective world, not just inside of human skulls; he supposedly exists objectively, as well as subjectively.
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am I showing that I don't see the value in the willingness of others to take happiness and grief at face value? If so, where did I show this? 
Would you deny the objective reality of happiness and grief?
Well I would say that subjective experiences exist in objective reality.
The God that people perceive supposedly exists independently from people's subjective experiences; happiness and grief do not.
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Prisoner#1 said: why all the hate for people that believe in the christian god, I keep hearing people on this site talking about respect, unity, tolerance, open mindedness and enlightenment yet every time the subject of christianity comes up the intolerant haters calling themselves atheists come out of the woodwork like cockroaches. I astounds me that alternate religions like Jainism, Buddhism are so accepted here but to believe in the mainstream religions a person must be a delusional twat
yeah... we see how enlightening psychedelics and education are
i couldnt of said it better myself
I don't care what a person believes, but when some stranger is aggressively telling me what I should believe and proclaiming their beliefs as fact or superior to mine... it really grinds my gears.
People who do that (like the preacher in this video) deserve to be sacked in a trash bag and smashed on the pavement. Christian, Buddhist, or any other religion. (although in my experience Christians are usually the quickest to start an argument and try to convert you)
This isn't hate for people who believe in God, it's hate for people who don't know when to shut their fucking mouths.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Poid] 1
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Poid said: There is nothing at the heart of that definition of atheism besides the denial of the existence of God or gods... I'm not sure why you feel ad hominems are at the heart of atheism. 
Ad hominems are at the heart of atheism because your assumption that God does not exist implies that your assumptions are superior to those of others. A far more logical approach would be to embrace agnosticism: to admit that, much like anybody else, you just don't know.
I disagree with the underlined portion. Just because you assume something doesn't necessarily mean that you're implying something about the assumptions of others.
Atheism is the doctrine that there is no deity.
All of atheism is founded on one concrete certainty about reality; that there are no deities.
This by its very nature implies something about the assumptions of others, that they are completely false and in a totally concrete and immutable way.
Furthermore it requires faith to believe such a thing, as has been mentioned a bunch of times in this thread already.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Poid]
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OK, it's getting to the point where it's impossible to respond to each point you're making individually through quotes, so I'll break it down paragraph by paragraph.
a) Your vocal assumption that God does not exist is just about as infuriating and self-important as the vocal assumption that God does exist. You are claiming, as a child in this world, a child of a species with an extensive track record of getting shit wrong, that your way of thinking is right enough to make blanket statements regarding the experiences of others.
b) Something I can agree with - educated guesses are the best kind, so long as we maintain awareness that they are guesses.
c) Unfalsifiable statements are garbage in the world of scientific theory and research. In most other domains of human expression they are vitally necessary. And until I see you, Poid, publish an article in a scientific journal, I'm going to LOL IRL at your generalizations about unfalsifiable statements.
d) Happiness and grief do exist independently of subjective experience. They are causatively associated with neurological functioning, with outward behavior, and with objective events.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Poid]
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Poid said: The experience itself is real, but this doesn't necessarily mean that God actually exists; it could be that what Christians experience as "God" doesn't exist anywhere besides in their own minds.
So where do you get off on denying the reality of their experiences?
I'm not denying that their experiences are real.
They say God is everywhere, and I don't see him anywhere; obviously, this means that they are just either making crap up, or interpreting ordinary things as being God. Or that I'm just, for some reason, unable to see something that is right in front of me (which is highly doubtful).
Si Monumentum Requires Circumspice... "If you seek His monument, look around you".
When this statement is said, that "God" is everywhere, this, while meant to be taken both literally and metaphorically, is also implying that everything you see around you (the Creation) contains in itself the Creator from which it stems from. It denotes more a paradigm shift in a person's perspective than anything, for the individual to attempt to consciously see all things about it as containing in itself some inherent divinity, from the elements (wind, water, etc.), trees, animals, and ultimately 'other selves'. This also applies to experiences and other catalyst which exists in reality. Nobody can make another person see "God in everything", this radical jetwash and reconfiguration of the lens a person uses to view reality can obviously only manifest from within the person.
Also, the notion that "God" exists within the mind and can be experienced from within the mind of the self is not a farfetched statement in the slightest in my humble opinion. I am not saying however that everyone is capable of beatific vision (i.e. witnessing the pure image of the Divine sans filters) is common and possible for everyone at will, but there are certainly ways to empower onesself and experience certain things by going within. Perhaps the Christians who claim to "experience God" probably attribute such an event to a breathless, ecstatic feeling moreso than anything else.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: sunset_mission]
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sunset_mission said: When this statement is said, that "God" is everywhere, this, while meant to be taken both literally and metaphorically, is also implying that everything you see around you (the Creation) contains in itself the Creator from which it stems from. It denotes more a paradigm shift in a person's perspective than anything, for the individual to attempt to consciously see all things about it as containing in itself some inherent divinity, from the elements (wind, water, etc.), trees, animals, and ultimately 'other selves'.
I love this. I bolded the part that I find most resonant. IMO the denial of God is a form of solipsism.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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sunset_mission said: When this statement is said, that "God" is everywhere, this, while meant to be taken both literally and metaphorically, is also implying that everything you see around you (the Creation) contains in itself the Creator from which it stems from. It denotes more a paradigm shift in a person's perspective than anything, for the individual to attempt to consciously see all things about it as containing in itself some inherent divinity, from the elements (wind, water, etc.), trees, animals, and ultimately 'other selves'.
I love this. I bolded the part that I find most resonant. IMO the denial of God is a form of solipsism.
In a sense, you are correct. The solipsist knows and wholeheartedly believes only his own mind to exist, and that all things around him are constructs of his own mind. To a degree, he is correct, in that reality is a construct of the mind. Each individual creates the reality he/she is living in through the attitudes, thoughts, emotions, perspectives, and deeds it has chosen for itself. The solipsist, however, denies that people around him (other selves) are capable of such self-awareness or sentience because in the end, for the solipsist, they are only figments of his construction.
The solipsistic view chooses to blot out certain aspects about reality, namely that the individual is a co-Creator of reality rather than the sole Creator. To deny that others exist would be to deprive the lives of others of value in your own mind, at least. Still going on the assumption that all things which exist in the Creation are an avatar of the Creator, by denying that others exist you are denying the Creation exists; by extension, to then deny the Creator exists would be denying that other selves exist.
Hm, I hadn't thought of correlating solipsism and atheism before. Interesting notion, Tchan.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: sunset_mission]
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I have your analysis to thank for being able to make that correlation.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Poid]
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Poid said: Theories aren't called facts because they aren't facts. 
just as the ted hagards of this world may make a fortune bilking the believers while pushing the word of god, the believers of science are gobbling up the words of the scientist as though it were the gospel
Even if this is true, so what, what does this say about science itself? Nothing.
right and the fact that modern science is money driven and rife with fraud
I'm sure that says nothing either
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I agree with you about atheism, Pris, but anybody with a thorough education in science and an ability to think critically should be able to see through the money and fraud.
On the other hand, if you're a gullible sheep feeding from the trough of mass media and popular opinion, then I do agree that science can be disastrously misleading.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Subconscious]
#15415199 - 11/23/11 09:48 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: why all the hate for people that believe in the christian god, I keep hearing people on this site talking about respect, unity, tolerance, open mindedness and enlightenment yet every time the subject of christianity comes up the intolerant haters calling themselves atheists come out of the woodwork like cockroaches. I astounds me that alternate religions like Jainism, Buddhism are so accepted here but to believe in the mainstream religions a person must be a delusional twat
yeah... we see how enlightening psychedelics and education are
i couldnt of said it better myself
I don't care what a person believes, but when some stranger is aggressively telling me what I should believe and proclaiming their beliefs as fact or superior to mine... it really grinds my gears.
I simply shake their hand, thank them for their concern and walk away
why would the enlightened people of this place allow someone to get them so worked up over nothing... it just seems so silly to concern yourself with some guy out there preaching damnation. there is no rule saying you have to stop and hear it, nothing but your own drive compels you to respond
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: propensity]
#15415206 - 11/23/11 09:49 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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propensity said: You require faith in science because all science relies on human perception, which science has proven isn't really 100% accurate.
You have to put faith in the idea that what you're seeing is real or none of it works, because you really have no way of actually knowing.
yes i understand, science is by no means perfect.
but as far as tangible results go, (you know, tangible? like the stuff we actually can feel/touch/see/observe/measure in the universe?), nothing comes close to science. Religion gave us stories, things to fight about, "the divine chain of being", boring art for thousands of years, laws that don't apply any where else but our small pinhead of a corner of the universe, and it gave us tangible results in that people acted differently but that doesn't even compare to science.
science gave us the computer.. going to mars.. fuckin engines, real medicine (although there is a ton of scam med's out there too, and religions do have their own healing techniques,but you never see a religious person save a thousand people from malaria) all the things religion could not do. Science is by no means perfect but it starts with interrogation of our surroundings using objective measurement (objective by some means, I mean if i measure something... and you measure something, and our instrument is the same we get the same result. You just don't have that with religion), there is no 'authority' in science, and once again, as far as tangible, every day, easily recognizable results, science is above all.
I really don't like having to say stuff about religion because I come from a very religious family and I respect everyone's right to believe whatever the fuck they want to believe during this short glimpse of wonder we have at this universe, but I feel obligated to point out some obvious differences between the two and the way's that try to complete the same task

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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Tchan909 said: I agree with you about atheism, Pris, but anybody with a thorough education in science and an ability to think critically should be able to see through the money and fraud.
do you honestly believe that? some of the most brilliant minds are taken in by it, money drives the research for desired results, the press reports those desired results, how many years were we tole that marijuana causes all kinds of health issues and now scientific research says smoking marijuana cures cancer and a host of other ailments... except that's also falsely or misleadingly reported as well because money is hanging out with science
http://www.aip.org/tip/INPHFA/vol-8/iss-6/p12.html http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1994041/ http://www.nature.com/neuro/journal/v9/n2/full/nn0206-149.html
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: wildchild68] 1
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Everyone loves just to give their opinion on religion. If everyone just kept to themselves about this shit there wouldn't be any problems. No jackoffs on college campus yelling about god, no atheist jackoffs yelling about christians yelling, none of it.
But we just can't help but say something. It's all so fucking absurd.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: realfuzzhead]
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I never said anything about the validity of either science or religion.
I didn't even say they were trying to complete the same task.
Simply that science requires faith in your perception.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: sunset_mission]
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sunset_mission said: Except that oftentimes the faith in theories postulated by the scientist can be proven or disproven through trials enacted to reach such ends, at which point the faith either becomes a truth/fact or, if proven to be wrong, simply fades.
The faith which the religious devotee places in certain things cannot be proven or disproven, thus it remains as merely faith.
so prove or disprove the singularity/big bang theory to me even though it violates the laws of energy conservation prove or disprove abiogenesis by one of the several models that are popular
you cannot so we need to take it on faith just as with any other religion
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Prisoner#1]
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The faith which the religious devotee places in certain things cannot be proven or disproven, thus it remains as merely faith.
so prove or disprove the singularity/big bang theory to me even though it violates the laws of energy conservation prove or disprove abiogenesis by one of the several models that are popular
you cannot so we need to take it on faith just as with any other religion
So what you're trying to imply is, that faith is as central a component to science as it is to religion then? Is that correct?
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: propensity]
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I didn't even say they were trying to complete the same task.
Simply that science requires faith in your perception.
ok well you replied to my reply on both validity and the fact that they are trying to accomplish the same thing, that they are trying to understand the universe better, so i assumed your reply had to do with the context of my post
and it requires faith in your perception to a point but, i mean, a computer fucking work while it works while others built just like it work for a billion other people in this world. You don't have to go deep into a mind trance or have a vision, science just works. That's because science is just the direct observation of our universe, so while it may require some faith that "reality is real" it also works for billions of different people simultaniously and seperately from one another. It's just a description of how stuff works, to the best of our knowledge, and these things can't just work for one person subjectively to be adopted into the body of science, they must be confirmed by anyone , regardless of authority..
it only takes a quick glance to spot the subjectivity and faith in religion, you must look much deeper into science
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: sunset_mission]
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I said this a while ago in PS&P and it went underappreciated, so I'll reiterate.
In my biology class, the theory that DNA is transcribed to RNA before being replicated as DNA is referred to as "central dogma." This is because it's the only theory that reliably explains DNA replication, and also because it's widely known that this theory is false.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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If it apparently reliably explains DNA replication but at the same time is considered a false theory, how in any way is it deemed "central dogma"...?
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: sunset_mission]
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The faith which the religious devotee places in certain things cannot be proven or disproven, thus it remains as merely faith.
so prove or disprove the singularity/big bang theory to me even though it violates the laws of energy conservation prove or disprove abiogenesis by one of the several models that are popular
you cannot so we need to take it on faith just as with any other religion
So what you're trying to imply is, that faith is as central a component to science as it is to religion then? Is that correct?
you certainly seem to have a lot of faith in science
what I'm saying is that based on your criteria, science is faith based and thus a religion because certain things in science cannot be proven or disproven because it's impossible to perform experiments to create the universe from the unknown
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Because it's taught in classes as the means by which DNA is replicated. Because there's no truer theory to explain how DNA is replicated.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: realfuzzhead]
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I didn't even say they were trying to complete the same task.
Simply that science requires faith in your perception.
ok well you replied to my reply on both validity and the fact that they are trying to accomplish the same thing, that they are trying to understand the universe better, so i assumed your reply had to do with the context of my post
and it requires faith in your perception to a point but, i mean, a computer fucking work while it works while others built just like it work for a billion other people in this world. You don't have to go deep into a mind trance or have a vision, science just works. That's because science is just the direct observation of our universe, so while it may require some faith that "reality is real" it also works for billions of different people simultaniously and seperately from one another. It's just a description of how stuff works, to the best of our knowledge, and these things can't just work for one person subjectively to be adopted into the body of science, they must be confirmed by anyone , regardless of authority..
it only takes a quick glance to spot the subjectivity and faith in religion, you must look much deeper into science
Why are you trying to convince me of this? I've made no claims either way.
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I didn't even say they were trying to complete the same task.
Simply that science requires faith in your perception.
ok well you replied to my reply on both validity and the fact that they are trying to accomplish the same thing, that they are trying to understand the universe better, so i assumed your reply had to do with the context of my post
and it requires faith in your perception to a point but, i mean, a computer fucking work while it works while others built just like it work for a billion other people in this world. You don't have to go deep into a mind trance or have a vision, science just works. That's because science is just the direct observation of our universe, so while it may require some faith that "reality is real" it also works for billions of different people simultaniously and seperately from one another. It's just a description of how stuff works, to the best of our knowledge, and these things can't just work for one person subjectively to be adopted into the body of science, they must be confirmed by anyone , regardless of authority..
it only takes a quick glance to spot the subjectivity and faith in religion, you must look much deeper into science
This. The point of science is to make everything as objective as humanly possible. When properly done, scientific procedure accounts for errors, explicitly stating them. A scientific journal is meant to be provide within it EXACTLY ALL of the information required to reproduce an experiment. Tangibility, reproducibility, and accuracy are all essential components of true science.
I know this is somewhat idealistic, but most scientist do try to hold up to truth. Some people are intentionally vague, some are paid to lie and do the bidding of evil, but even sometimes they inadvertently find the truth anyways.
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sunset_mission said: Except that oftentimes the faith in theories postulated by the scientist can be proven or disproven through trials enacted to reach such ends, at which point the faith either becomes a truth/fact or, if proven to be wrong, simply fades.
The faith which the religious devotee places in certain things cannot be proven or disproven, thus it remains as merely faith.
so prove or disprove the singularity/big bang theory to me even though it violates the laws of energy conservation prove or disprove abiogenesis by one of the several models that are popular
you cannot so we need to take it on faith just as with any other religion
So what you're trying to imply is, that faith is as central a component to science as it is to religion then? Is that correct?
you certainly seem to have a lot of faith in science
what I'm saying is that based on your criteria, science is faith based and thus a religion because certain things in science cannot be proven or disproven because it's impossible to perform experiments to create the universe from the unknown
You misunderstand me though, as I wasn't trying to put forth any sort of criteria in regards to faith for science and religion, I was simply observing how the mechanics of faith function within them. I said that oftentimes the faith in scientific theories can be proven or disproven. Every other time, if the theory is neither proven nor disproven then it remains just that, a theory.
Just because it requires faith for a religion to properly operate does not equate to anything which is founded, at least partially, upon faith in itself to become a religion. You bring up the good point that certain things in science cannot be proven or disproven thus leading to there being some degree of faith being involved in it, likewise with religion. So in the end, it's nothing more than where a person chooses to direct their faith, depending on what resonates greater with them, science or religion. However, science is not a religion. That would be like saying that just because you have faith in your favorite baseball team to win, means that the NY Yankees have become a religion.
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Your blaspheming ways will not go unpunished. Only the Holy Neuron shall be recognized as the Almighty.
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Morphogenesis said: Towards the end of the video I actually felt really sorry for the preacher. Imagine how disconnected and confusing the world must seem to him. Not only does he believe all of the superstition and negativity about sin, but he is compelled to embarrass himself in order to spread the "good word." It's just beyond me. That man needs a big group hug and a cold beer with friends.
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Honestly I couldn't really make out a whole lot of what the professor was saying. It's stupid the video ended up online, because the guy will probably get in deep doo-doo over it. Removing tenure or even firing the guy.
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This video, and his calls of free speech, remind me of the advice, "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should."
I've seen these clowns too, at bus stops, on campus, etc. If they are allowed to preach bullshit, and try and shame people, without being confronted and publically humiated. They win.
Lech Walesa was once asked how Solidarity started. He answered, "By talking loud at the bus stops." These clowns have wagged their filthy schlongs in our faces, unchallenged, for too long.
Made my day to see this professor just take his shit and walk away. Fuck 'im.
Scientists need to come down from the Pure Science Tower of Isolation and help defeat these blowhards.
BTW, many, many Christian Schools teach debate as a way for them to defend themselves and argue effectively with prospective converts. They understand the game and are well prepared to twist logic on it's head to defend faith and dogma.
Not all Christians are like this. But, no one is fooled that Christianity in this country is like other religions. There area powerful group that are seeking to take us back to the days of the pilgrims. They are pressuring politicians to effect laws that have consequences for everyone.
How many abortion providers have been killed? And how many are left in Kansas now?
Terrorism works.
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Prisoner#1 said: why all the hate for people that believe in the christian god, I keep hearing people on this site talking about respect, unity, tolerance, open mindedness and enlightenment yet every time the subject of christianity comes up the intolerant haters calling themselves atheists come out of the woodwork like cockroaches. I astounds me that alternate religions like Jainism, Buddhism are so accepted here but to believe in the mainstream religions a person must be a delusional twat
yeah... we see how enlightening psychedelics and education are
I deal with these vicious mutants often on my college campus. They're not preaching the words and teachings of Christ (I'm personally a Jeffersonian-esque Christian - Jesus of Nazareth was a righteous guy, but I don't believe he was the son of God) but rather, decrying what they see as moral debauchery on college campuses. They're trying to make young people feel bad for being themselves, yelling about how we're going to hell for practicing the sins of homosexuality/promiscuity/etc.
They rant about the Old Testament in all its baby-murdering glory. There is no love or tolerance in what they have to say. To put it bluntly - they're trolls.

Those are extremists that you are dealing with. I am a Christian and know a lot of Christians; have traveled all around meeting other Christians and never has myself or anyone I came across (as an organization. I cannot speak for the individual as I do not follow them around daily.) Done any of the things you described. We go to church and live or lives, working regular jobs with regular families. A lot of the churches around do open their doors to the homeless in the winter (gay or not) as well as put on fundraisers when someone is in need. Yes a long time ago there was the crusades, nothing I can do about that. And in the Christian bible it says no man is perfect, thats why we ask for forgiveness.
Yes I do not agree with being gay, so you know what? I don't engage in homosexual acts. Nor do the other members of my church to my knowledge. But we don't go out and bash gays. I have a gay aunt and at leat 6 gay friends (probably more though these 6 are close friends and I can think of them off the top of my head).
And just because someone doesn't feel that an evil person should be punished because they don't agree doesn't make it not real. I didn't agree with prison but the judge still sent me there and it was very real.
You and a lot others are more judgemental than any Christian I have met. You fail to examine all the good things we believe in. And at least the extremists you are talking about believe enough in something to go out and make a stand instead of crying like a little kid on the internet. I don't push my beliefs on anyone and am very openminded, caring, giving, and forgiving. You know where I personally learned these things? CHURCH!
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So now the schools should be responsible for teaching children one religious belief about the universe and creation? what about all the other religions out there? They differ from each other you would then have to teach all of them to be fair. Just like schools should be responsible for teaching sex to children? That's a joke Parents should be responsible for teaching their children about religious beliefs just like they should be responsible for teaching their childern about sex. somethings aren't meant to be in school. I know in my school they had a separate class that was all about religious ideas/beliefs including creationism. So the argument for creationism in school is dead. Most schools have been teaching it and other beliefs for years, at least where I live they have.
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I hope that wasn't directed towards me, because I never said religion should be taught in schools. But if one truley believes in a religion it would be messed up to not try and teach your children to be saved. If my daughter grows up and desides she doesn't believe then thats fine, but that doesn't mean I am not going to teach her about my faith. It might be hard for you to understand since I take it you don't believe. My point was that the majority of the people in this thread and site in general are more hostel and closeminded than any Christian I know
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sunset_mission said: However, science is not a religion. That would be like saying that just because you have faith in your favorite baseball team to win, means that the NY Yankees have become a religion.
for some, baseball is a religion just as science is to others
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I admit parts of me really despises Christianity, especially the fuck tard shown in the video. Most of my hate is directed at Catholics because of the millions of people that ideology has killed and evangelicalism. The latter is more personal to me because of my Palestinian roots. Actually my Palestinian roots have led me to hate most religions including Islam and Judaism but I've never met a worse group of people than evangelicals. The truth is though, Evangelicals hate Palestine more than even the Jews. There are plenty of Jews who defend Palestine while Evangelicals want all of Palestine wiped out even if Palestinian Evangelicals (Oxy-MORONS) pray for there support (step up Jerry Falwell.) The worst thing is most of them are also hardcore anti-semites. They believe Jesus will come back and finish what Hitler started. I'm willing to bet most of the preachers are frauds like Pat Robertson. I also hate them because of there opposition to things like drugs, sex, gay rights and science. I grew up in a Muslim family but I'm now a hardcore atheist. So naturally I have my own problems with Islam as well. However that doesn't mean I judge them all like some Christians do (not all). I dislike some hardcore Muslims like any Christian, but the moderate ones from any religion are ok with me. The same can not be said about some Christians and basically every other group in the world.
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Beefcakemighty said: So now the schools should be responsible for teaching children one religious belief about the universe and creation? what about all the other religions out there? They differ from each other you would then have to teach all of them to be fair. Just like schools should be responsible for teaching sex to children? That's a joke Parents should be responsible for teaching their children about religious beliefs just like they should be responsible for teaching their childern about sex. somethings aren't meant to be in school.
if the teachings of the school oppose the religion of the child then does that not violate the child's first amendment rights to freedom of religion just as forcing an atheist kid to learn of creation or other religious doctrine would violate that child's rights to be free from religion in the secular public school system... shouldnt this also mean that parents should be responsible for teaching their child history beyond 7000 years ago, shouldnt they also be responsible for teaching these secular theories of evolution and gravity since it's my belief that there is no gravity, but that the earth sucks
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You teach what there is proof for.
What is widely recognized logical fact.
You can't make other students suffer because of one's crazy ass beliefs.
"I don't believe in algebra, Ms. Anderson." *sigh* "Ok class. Skip this chapter, too."
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Prisoner#1 said: why all the hate for people that believe in the christian god, I keep hearing people on this site talking about respect, unity, tolerance, open mindedness and enlightenment yet every time the subject of christianity comes up the intolerant haters calling themselves atheists come out of the woodwork like cockroaches. I astounds me that alternate religions like Jainism, Buddhism are so accepted here but to believe in the mainstream religions a person must be a delusional twat
yeah... we see how enlightening psychedelics and education are
That's exactly how I feel. The people who are atheists who talk all this shit about God and Christianity look just as ignorant as the bible thumper preaching. Neither of you will ever prove your answer and you look REALLY, REALLY...REALLY fucking stupid for arguing about it. You look even more ignorant when you start taking jabs and not even discussing the topic.
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The Ecstatic said: You teach what there is proof for.
What is widely recognized logical fact.
You can't make other students suffer because of one's crazy ass beliefs.
"I don't believe in algebra, Ms. Anderson." *sigh* "Ok class. Skip this chapter, too."
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DoctorFJK said: I admit parts of me really despises Christianity, especially the fuck tard shown in the video. Most of my hate is directed at Catholics because of the millions of people that ideology has killed and evangelicalism. The latter is more personal to me because of my Palestinian roots. Actually my Palestinian roots have led me to hate most religions including Islam and Judaism but I've never met a worse group of people than evangelicals. The truth is though, Evangelicals hate Palestine more than even the Jews. There are plenty of Jews who defend Palestine while Evangelicals want all of Palestine wiped out even if Palestinian Evangelicals (Oxy-MORONS) pray for there support (step up Jerry Falwell.) The worst thing is most of them are also hardcore anti-semites. They believe Jesus will come back and finish what Hitler started. I'm willing to bet most of the preachers are frauds like Pat Robertson. I also hate them because of there opposition to things like drugs, sex, gay rights and science. I grew up in a Muslim family but I'm now a hardcore atheist. So naturally I have my own problems with Islam as well. However that doesn't mean I judge them all like some Christians do (not all). I dislike some hardcore Muslims like any Christian, but the moderate ones from any religion are ok with me. The same can not be said about some Christians and basically every other group in the world.
Ya man, your a whole lot better than what your describing? Im not even going to debate my religion with you, but have you seen what they do to someone for having sex out of marriage, or being gay in a muslim country? They fucking hang them or stone them to death. Christians hold up a sign saying they will got to hell I could go on and on, but there is no point. Haters going to hate .
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Bullshit. The two sides are not even. I've never been harassed on my doorstep by an atheist into accepting Darwin.
Reality has a secular bias. And churches have LONG been an organizing force in politics.
Why do you think we pay tons of money to Israel every year?
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No but I have to read how cool every atheist is on facebook for hating God/not believing or other social media. I hear more atheist shit than bible thumping.
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Boo hoo.
When atheists start pipe bombing churches and assassinating preachers, then I'll feel sympathy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence
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You act like I really care. You do realize how stupid you look if you were to tell me God doesn't exist, just like I would look stupid for telling you he does exist. It's not an answer any of you will ever have.
Why not just let people believe what they believe and do what they do? Does it really bother you that much to have to walk past one preacher? Are you truly that offended? If you are then I suggest you re-evaluate your life. I have to hear all the atheist spew going to class from people passing out fliers. I get over it and move on with my life. It really doesn't matter. You couldn't pick a more unanswerable question.
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We aren't in China. We're in the USA. Hello, welcome to 2011.
And, the fact is, one side wants people to think for themselves and test other people's ideas before believing them. And the other side wants to keep you stupid and dependent on some Skyman (as explained by your local preacher).
Ta da! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition
We can compare and see who has worked harder to keep humanity in the dark. Pretty sure which side will lose that one.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cultural_Revolution
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We aren't in Spain, we are in the USA.
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Like how they teach the big bang theory? Or the theory of evolution? Cause these theories are hard cold facts right?
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I'm sure you don't care. That's the point.
You moan and groan over 'having to read how cool every atheist is on Facebook'  ...but show no remorse for human lives that were snuffed out, and families destroyed, all in thename of your ridiculously hostile Church of Brotherly Love that's trying to change public policy and cement human minds in the 17th century.
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I was showing how stupid your original example was. thanks for agreeing with me.
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The Army of God (AOG) is a Christian terrorist anti-abortion organization that sanctions the use of force to combat abortion in the United States.[1]
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The fact is the majority of people are not murdering fuckheads, so citing the Spanish inquisition or the crusades means nothing to me. Everyone does bad shit, get over it. This is 21st century. All that matters is we learn from the the mistakes of ignorant less intelligent people from hundreds of years ago.
You hate a group of people based off what previous generations did. I couldn't imagine living with that much distaste. Do I hate Germans because of what the Nazis did? Do I hate Russians because of Stalin? No.
I am just really sick of hearing from atheists preaching to me and I am sick of believers trying to convert me also. It'd be better off you kept that shit to yourself and respected other people's beliefs.
Once again I spent 18 months walking to class hearing from you atheist preachers every fucking day. I am so tired of getting pamphlets about how God doesn't exist (thank god I left UCSC). I am really tired of people posting disgusting images of christians being fucked up, when I never seen them posting pictures of athiests getting ass raped with blood everywhere. (Edit: on facebook).
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Where are the atheist equivalents to this?
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: withoutawire]
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what the fuck? where are you seeing pictures of christians getting ass raped?
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You are hating a group of people based on something from the 17th century. How are you different than the religious zealots? Oh you are different, you hate them for a good reason, right?
Lol please 
Oh no, 100 people from some shit head church are exercising their 1st amendment right. Keep grouping tens of millions of people based on the minority.
I just opened facebook and saw Jesus's first supper painting with satan fucking up everything and blood everywhere. Or I get a picture of somone fucking a blow up Jesus.
Trust me. I am not christian, or religious. Religion is man made, 100%. I'm just so fucking sick of you single minded atheists thinking you are some how different for hating a group of people unjustly. You are just as ignorant as the christian who hates you. You justify your hate off a minority based on shit hundreds of years ago, and they base it off their hundreds of years of lies. It's the same thing when you get down to it.
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Reality has a secular bias.
And you sound like a fucking nipple. Done with you.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: withoutawire]
#15419579 - 11/24/11 09:10 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ya man, your a whole lot better than what your describing? Im not even going to debate my religion with you, but have you seen what they do to someone for having sex out of marriage, or being gay in a muslim country? They fucking hang them or stone them to death. Christians hold up a sign saying they will got to hell I could go on and on, but there is no point. Haters going to hate .
The reason I hate though is because the people I described have SPECIFIC reasons to hate me because where I'm from, something I have no choice over. And for the most part I don't hate the people, I hate the ideology. I have every right to hate whatever ideology I want, it's a shame that you belief it's the truth. I don't believe it is so my hating on Christianity is no different to me hating on Islam, Judaism or Neo-Nazism.
Secondly the comparison is comical. Just because a country is better than an ideology stuck in the 7th century doesn't mean your perfect. And just so you know that happens in only a couple of countries, one of them being Saudi Arabia a country which your government holds hands with and instead decides to blame there short comings on all other Arabs. Anyway the US, UK ect are not Christian countries. They are secular countries, if they were a Christian state then we would see the stoning of Homosexuals and adultery. Christian Sharia law, the type the likes of Pat Robertson and the WBB church want to infect the US with would turn the US into Congo. In countries like Congo and Uganda, gays are stoned and witches are burned. All in the name of love. Hell, 20% of Rwanda's population was wiped out because of the word of a very hateful and evil God. Good day sir.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: withoutawire]
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I tried to watch the video earlier. It didn't work, but the preview shot looked like the professor was about to enter a dance-off
Anyway, I don't get into talks about what religion does this or that or what's right or wrong...I don't really get into that whole organized religion. It just seems like a business industry now. But as far as the video goes, the little spat between the professor and the solicitor was fair. They can have their dual. The guy says "I teach logic, mother fucker"...who cares If I believe in free speech, then I have to allow the "preacher" to say whatever he wants...as long as he's not immediately threatening me.
My problem was with the crowd mentality that started up. Those guys really verbally ganged up on that man. I thought it was really shitty. It seemed like those guys were hiding behind the professor's words. Fuckin' douche cowards. I have to say, if I ever saw my boyfriend or my son act like that towards someone, I'd be really disappointed in them. Even though I don't believe what that man believes, and yes I've had my fair share of experiences with those campus crawlers. It's annoying as shit, but I'd never want to belittle a person like that.
I usually just indulge them, to make them feel like they've accomplished something Do they change my mind?...Well, no. Does this mean I have a complex?
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Normal Flora]
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Nice post Laurelei.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Props to the professor. Religion = anti-intellectualism. Religion = spiritual forfeit.
Plus the guy was not a student of the school, so I'm pretty sure he can't just show up on campus and spew his brainwash.
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Learyfan said: Plus the guy was not a student of the school, so I'm pretty sure he can't just show up on campus and spew his brainwash.
Only true if it's a private university.
Personally, I'd rather have my kids read the Bible than nothing at all.
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Well they aren't exactly kids are they? I really think that's being overzealous tbh, it wasn't a debate, it was an angry Christian shoving his shit down throats who had no interest in what he had to say. The professor simply called a spade a spade. And I don't really think the whole concept of role modelling is a good one either, it doesn't always work and just have a look at the so called role models in the world today.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: morrowasted]
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You have definitely lost the debate by the time you whip out the MF bomb.
Maybe he was just trying to be cute to get the kids interested, I don't know. I didn't watch the video because I've heard more than enough hot air from self-important atheists who apply good logic to the wrong situations. Regardless, calling your opponent a "motherfucker" is a debate fail by default if nothing else.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: DoctorFJK]
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I'm usually a pretty respectful person but sometimes you just got to tell someone to and take their bullshit elsewhere.
If you have the stones to go into a public space and start spewing out controversial topics or attacking peoples' personal beliefs, then you should man up and be prepared for someone to tell you to suck a fat cock and take your bullshit elsewhere. Most people just don't want to hear it.
I'm all for free speech but there is a time, place, and most importantly a method. If your method is being an annoying, loud, douchebag... don't be suprised when someone tells you to fuck off.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Tchan909 said: You have definitely lost the debate by the time you whip out the MF bomb.
Maybe he was just trying to be cute to get the kids interested, I don't know. I didn't watch the video because I've heard more than enough hot air from self-important atheists who apply good logic to the wrong situations. Regardless, calling your opponent a "motherfucker" is a debate fail by default if nothing else.
It wasn't really a debate. It was a loud, annoying, christian douchebag pissing people off on a college campus.
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So the solution is to call him a motherfucker? I see two loud, annoying douchebags here, one Christian and the other pedantic.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Subconscious]
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I could teach logic I'm an ace in propositional, predicate, modal, and meta-logic. Calling someone a motherfucker never strengthens one's position from a logical (that is to say, argumentatively convincing) standpoint.
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Tchan909 said: You have definitely lost the debate by the time you whip out the MF bomb.
Not true, committing one logical fallacy doesn't automatically make you lose a debate. If we're gonna talk about whose position is more logically fallacious, then...
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Tchan909 said: Maybe he was just trying to be cute to get the kids interested, I don't know. I didn't watch the video because I've heard more than enough hot air from self-important atheists who apply good logic to the wrong situations. Regardless, calling your opponent a "motherfucker" is a debate fail by default if nothing else.
I didn't watch the video either, but I seriously doubt he was using his "mother fucker" comment as an argument. It's much more likely that the comment was just an irrelevant tangential emotionalism, and that he was just talking shit for the mere sake of talking shit.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: morrowasted]
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Face palming someone in a debate without an explanation is exactly the same thing as calling someone a motherfucker.
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Tchan909 said: You have definitely lost the debate by the time you whip out the MF bomb.
Not true, committing one logical fallacy doesn't automatically make you lose a debate. If we're gonna talk about whose position is more logically fallacious, then...
No, but again unless he was trying to draw attention with a populist appeal, there's just no excuse, as a professor of "Logic" or whatever, to call somebody a motherfucker in public. We resort to ad hominems when we've exhausted the capacity of logic to rebut the opponent's position. Calling somebody a "motherfucker" is not fallacious in itself but it speaks of an argumentative failure beyond a doubt.
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I didn't watch the video either, but I seriously doubt he was using his "mother fucker" comment as an argument. It's much more likely that the comment was just an irrelevant tangential emotionalism, and that he was just talking shit for the mere sake of talking shit.
If he doesn't have better ways to spend his time than talking shit to random God freaks then he's probably a piss-poor professor.
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I saw them in my mind's eye, dammit!
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BTW, just because that one immediately followed my last post and started a new page, don't ignore that last post because it's much better.
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You're quite adept at reading between the lines, my friend.
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Not really 
Course it is, both actions are meant to be insults. Just because one is meant to be more offensive than the other that doesn't mean your face palm doesn't represent the same message.
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Tchan909 said: Regardless, calling your opponent a "motherfucker" is a debate fail by default if nothing else.
those are some pretty black and white debating terms.
people seem to take that motherfucker remark way too seriously, i felt it was well deserved.
that prof wasn't asking for a debate.
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I'm usually a pretty respectful person but sometimes you just got to tell someone to and take their bullshit elsewhere.
If you have the stones to go into a public space and start spewing out controversial topics or attacking peoples' personal beliefs, then you should man up and be prepared for someone to tell you to suck a fat cock and take your bullshit elsewhere. Most people just don't want to hear it.
I'm all for free speech but there is a time, place, and most importantly a method. If your method is being an annoying, loud, douchebag... don't be suprised when someone tells you to fuck off.
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Tchan909 said: Regardless, calling your opponent a "motherfucker" is a debate fail by default if nothing else.
those are some pretty black and white debating terms.
people seem to take that motherfucker remark way too seriously, i felt it was well deserved.
that prof wasn't asking for a debate.
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I'm usually a pretty respectful person but sometimes you just got to tell someone to and take their bullshit elsewhere.
If you have the stones to go into a public space and start spewing out controversial topics or attacking peoples' personal beliefs, then you should man up and be prepared for someone to tell you to suck a fat cock and take your bullshit elsewhere. Most people just don't want to hear it.
I'm all for free speech but there is a time, place, and most importantly a method. If your method is being an annoying, loud, douchebag... don't be suprised when someone tells you to fuck off.
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I'm not saying the professor was outside of his rights telling off the preacher. I am, however, saying that he's an asshole and a shitty professor.
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"arguing" or debating with a Christian is the same as debating with a brick wall. Their belief system is based on faith, which by definition is not logical. That's why these debates always end up going in circles, it's pointless.
I see a video of a guy who got pissed off at an annoying douchebag on campus, cheered on by students, probably got a bit over emotional and through out a few insults.
It has nothing to do with "argumentative" failure on either part.
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Tchan909 said: No, but again unless he was trying to draw attention with a populist appeal, there's just no excuse, as a professor of "Logic" or whatever, to call somebody a motherfucker in public. We resort to ad hominems when we've exhausted the capacity of logic to rebut the opponent's position. Calling somebody a "motherfucker" is not fallacious in itself but it speaks of an argumentative failure beyond a doubt.
"arguing" or debating with a Christian is the same as debating with a brick wall.[1] Their belief system is based on faith, which by definition is not logical. That's why these debates always end up going in circles, it's pointless.[2]
1. Great, a generalization! Super logical, bro. 2. About as pointless as verbal assaults against brick walls?
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I see a video of a guy who got pissed off at an annoying douchebag on campus, cheered on by students, probably got a bit over emotional and through out a few insults.
It has nothing to do with "argumentative" failure on either part.
Nope. It has everything to do with argumentative failure that his restraint was broken by popular emotion.
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Tchan909 said: You have definitely lost the debate by the time you whip out the MF bomb.
Not true, committing one logical fallacy doesn't automatically make you lose a debate. If we're gonna talk about whose position is more logically fallacious, then...
No, but again unless he was just trying to draw attention with a populist appeal, there's just no excuse, as a professor of "Logic" or whatever, to call somebody a motherfucker in public.
I think whatever excuse he had is just as valid as the excuse anybody else has had for calling somebody a mother fucker in public... just because he teaches logic doesn't mean that he can't possibly have a valid excuse for calling someone a mother fucker in public.
Again, I haven't seen the video, so I don't know what mood he was in when he made the comment... I'm thinking, though, that he was at least slightly irritated, and made the comment out of frustration. I think this is excusable (albeit a bit unprofessional considering his position in the university)... really, what he said was not that big of a deal.
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As to your first point, yes, this is true in a genuine debate setting, but not necessarily so in informal settings; like I said, he was probably just talking shit for the sake of talking shit. I think he knew fully well that what he said was logically fallacious, and I don't think he intended the comment to be part of his argument.
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Tchan909 said: If he doesn't have better ways to spend his time than talking shit to random God freaks then he's probably a piss-poor professor.
I don't agree... what he does during his free time says nothing about his ability to adequately perform the functions of his career. He may be an asshole, but this doesn't necessarily mean he sucks ass at teaching.
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he was reacting to someone insulting him.
he might not be a shining example of turning the other cheek, but give him a break.
that's human nature. have you never responded with an insult to someone insulting you?
i still don't see how that automatically makes him a shitty professor. he wasn't in a classroom, take his professor cloak off, he was just fed up with some jamoke ranting and raving about his moral superiority.
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As to your first point, yes, this is true in a genuine debate setting, but not necessarily so in informal settings; like I said, he was probably just talking shit for the sake of talking shit. I think he knew fully well that what he said was logically fallacious, and I don't think he intended the comment to be part of his argument.
Personally, I find it universally unacceptable to verbally assault strangers in public, but that's just me. 
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I don't agree... what he does during his free time says nothing about his ability to adequately perform the functions of his career. He may be an asshole, but this doesn't necessarily mean he sucks ass at teaching.
Okay, fine, I admit it. My personal feelings have clouded what insight I had into this particular professor's teaching abilities.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: wildchild68]
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Did you actually watch the video yet Tchan?
In the beginning the professor was calm, didn't seem to want to debate, and told the dude to get off campus.
Preacher insisted on being an annoying asshole.
Professor insults preacher.
Again, not argumentative failure. Not even an argument, just a guy who wouldn't shut up who in the end got made out to look like a giant dildo.
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In the beginning the professor was calm, didn't seem to want to debate, and told the dude to get off campus.
Preacher insisted on being an annoying asshole.
Professor insults preacher.
Again, not argumentative failure. Not even an argument, just a guy who wouldn't shut up who in the end got made out to look like a giant dildo.
Good riddance.
The professor has no right to tell anyone to get off a public campus. If he had that right he would have gotten campus police to escort the preacher out or arrest him. But the professor doesn't have that right. The preacher has the right to free speech, just like the professor, the occupy movement, and every other one of us.
IMO the professor should have, as wildchild said, turned the other cheek and been the better man. Instead he stooped to exactly the same kind of monstrously illogical thinking of which he accuses the preacher.
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Tchan909 said: Personally, I find it universally unacceptable to verbally assault strangers in public, but that's just me. 
I generally find it unacceptable, but I think a person has a right to defend themselves when they're being attacked. Every single preacher I've seen has been a disrespectful, undignified, offensive twat, and I have no doubt that the guy this professor cussed at is any different... I see no reason why it would be unacceptable to verbally defend yourself against an offensive stranger.
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Personal feelings are for girls.
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Being insulted or aggravated is bound to produce an emotional response in most people. Sometimes "turning the other cheek" is easier said than done.
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If someone is verbally attacking you you have every right to act. Did you watch the video? Preacher was clearly instigating the whole situation, we don't see the first few seconds but from what we do see the professor was calm and the preacher was being annoying and childish. "and what do YOOOOOOOOOOOOOU teach!?!?!"
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i've seen that preacher in a movie. some documentary. can't recall which one though.
it's frustrating to me that people think that guys like this represent christianity, much less religion as a whole. i'm by no means christian, but i have grown to have an enormous amount of respect for it even if i have intellectual reservations about certain aspects of its doctrine. true theologians are not idiots like this standing out on the corner. the scholastics of the middle ages were beyond impressive and extremely influential in shaping our society. they were sort of like a cross between a lawyer and a scientist, but instead of material phenomena they used rhetoric in their experiments. the skill required to be a successful scholastic involved mastering a few languages as well as knowing the works of guys like plato, aristotle, augustine, damascene etc. to the point to where you could summarize and formulate arguments on the spot to counter or augment another argument. all this had to be done in the time it took for someone to get out a few sentences.
and believe it or not, not every christian is out trying to "save" everyone. being "saved" is derivative of an apocalyptic interpretation of the bible in which christians are rescued from the great tribulation, or jesus's thousand year reign on earth after armageddon, in order to establish the kingdom of heaven here. if i'm not mistaken this idea originated sometime in the 1900's. so it's a very new idea and in a lot of ways not even a christian one, as even early christians took revalations as an allegory representing the story of man's salvation.
i think a lot of this chic hatred for christianity is fueled by complete ignorance of it. i mostly blame evangelicals and kooks like the guy in the video. mostly.
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I generally find it unacceptable, but I think a person has a right to defend themselves when they're being attacked. Every single preacher I've seen has been a disrespectful, undignified, offensive twat, and I have no doubt that the guy this professor cussed at is any different... I see no reason why it would be unacceptable to verbally defend yourself against an offensive stranger.
It's just uncivilized and childish. You make a bigger impression by being passive and impartial. The professor would have made a more resonant statement against religion by remaining impassive in the face of personal insults; instead he accepted the preacher's invitation to make it personal.
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Personal feelings are for girls. 
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Tchan909 said: The professor has no right to tell anyone to get off a public campus.
If someone is verbally attacking you you have every right to act. Did you watch the video? Preacher was clearly instigating the whole situation, we don't see the first few seconds but from what we do see the professor was calm and the preacher was being annoying and childish. "and what do YOOOOOOOOOOOOOU teach!?!?!"
I said this earlier and I'll say it again: I'm not saying the professor was out of his rights, I'm saying he was an asshole. It's true, turning the other cheek is easier said than done. That's why it's impressive when people do it; it shows confidence and discipline.
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What does that say?
It says that he has buttons, and that they were pressed. Everybody has buttons, dude, you can't expect people to be able to control their emotions 100% of the time.
The fact that, in this isolated incident, he had a similar mentality to religious people (who have this mentality pretty much all the time) doesn't say much about him IMO, other than the fact that he's not capable of living up to his ideals 100% of the time.
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On what basis do you say that religious people have this mentality pretty much all the time? I'd be interested to see a source for that statement.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: millzy]
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millzy said: i've seen that preacher in a movie. some documentary. can't recall which one though.
it's frustrating to me that people think that guys like this represent christianity, much less religion as a whole. i'm by no means christian, but i have grown to have an enormous amount of respect for it even if i have intellectual reservations about certain aspects of its doctrine. true theologians are not idiots like this standing out on the corner. the scholastics of the middle ages were beyond impressive and extremely influential in shaping our society. they were sort of like a cross between a lawyer and a scientist, but instead of material phenomena they used rhetoric in their experiments. the skill required to be a successful scholastic involved mastering a few languages as well as knowing the works of guys like plato, aristotle, augustine, damascene etc. to the point to where you could summarize and formulate arguments on the spot to counter or augment another argument. all this had to be done in the time it took for someone to get out a few sentences.
and believe it or not, not every christian is out trying to "save" everyone. being "saved" is derivative of an apocalyptic interpretation of the bible in which christians are rescued from the great tribulation, or jesus's thousand year reign on earth after armageddon, in order to establish the kingdom of heaven here. if i'm not mistaken this idea originated sometime in the 1900's. so it's a very new idea and in a lot of ways not even a christian one, as even early christians took revalations as an allegory representing the story of man's salvation.
i think a lot of this chic hatred for christianity is fueled by complete ignorance of it. i mostly blame evangelicals and kooks like the guy in the video. mostly.
The vast majority of Christians are respectful, sane people. You don't hear about them much because they're sane and respectful. 
I happen to know plenty.
I must admit I am biased however. I come from the San Francisco Bay Area. I don't know any fundamentalist Christians. I do, however, know a shitload of fundamentalist atheists and liberals, and fundamentalism is fucking infuriating regardless to denomination.
However, I should also say that I never met any extreme-fundamentalist Christians when I lived in Tennessee for two years either. I suspect these people are not as common as they make themselves sound.
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it's frustrating to me that people think that guys like this represent christianity, much less religion as a whole. i'm by no means christian, but i have grown to have an enormous amount of respect for it even if i have intellectual reservations about certain aspects of its doctrine. true theologians are not idiots like this standing out on the corner. the scholastics of the middle ages were beyond impressive and extremely influential in shaping our society. they were sort of like a cross between a lawyer and a scientist, but instead of material phenomena they used rhetoric in their experiments. the skill required to be a successful scholastic involved mastering a few languages as well as knowing the works of guys like plato, aristotle, augustine, damascene etc. to the point to where you could summarize and formulate arguments on the spot to counter or augment another argument. all this had to be done in the time it took for someone to get out a few sentences.
and believe it or not, not every christian is out trying to "save" everyone. being "saved" is derivative of an apocalyptic interpretation of the bible in which christians are rescued from the great tribulation, or jesus's thousand year reign on earth after armageddon, in order to establish the kingdom of heaven here. if i'm not mistaken this idea originated sometime in the 1900's. so it's a very new idea and in a lot of ways not even a christian one, as even early christians took revalations as an allegory representing the story of man's salvation.
i think a lot of this chic hatred for christianity is fueled by complete ignorance of it. i mostly blame evangelicals and kooks like the guy in the video. mostly.
The vast majority of Christians are respectful, sane people. You don't hear about them much because they're sane and respectful. 
I happen to know plenty.
I must admit I am biased however. I come from the San Francisco Bay Area. I don't know any fundamentalist Christians. I do, however, know a shitload of fundamentalist atheists and liberals, and fundamentalism is fucking infuriating regardless to denomination.
However, I should also say that I never met any extreme-fundamentalist Christians when I lived in Tennessee for two years either. I suspect these people are not as common as they make themselves sound.
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yeah, i agree, ideologues are morons.
but fundy christians are around. come to texas. lol
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: millzy]
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The closest I've met to fundamentalist Christians were some Jehova's Witnesses.
Good friends of my family. Recently converted. I hung out with some of the people from their congregation (I forget what they call their congregations but it's not "church") and they were a reasonable bunch of personable folks. They gave me their conversion spiel. I honestly was pretty interested to hear what they had to say so I listened intently, and I learned some things about the Bible and about my friends. Then I basically explained that I don't, can't, won't believe in hell or a spiritual "elect." They respected my beliefs and continued to respect me as a person.
That's the problem with fundamentalists... they're so vastly outnumbered, and yet so vastly outspoken.
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People have bad days, dude... it could be that he just wasn't in the mood to entertain these people at the time, and that this is why he lashed out emotionally. I more than sympathize with him, and can relate to his frustration... I think religion, like the War on Drugs, should just vanish completely, due to its history of affecting the human race negatively. Of course people are going to behave non-peacefully towards a force they wish was totally eradicated, it's only natural.
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This means that he was more interested in the emotional satisfaction of letting out his frustration than making some sort of statement... so what, though? Why do you expect him to be some sort of Jesus-esque hero? He's just a dude who sees religion for the bullshit it is, and becomes frustrated with the idiocy exhibited by the religious (due to him being an educated man)... I don't see why you are holding him up to such high standards. 
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On what basis do you say that religious people have this mentality pretty much all the time? I'd be interested to see a source for that statement. 
You need a source to tell you that religious people have an irrational mentality pretty much all the time?
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jw's are actually not christian either. they go back to the writings of arius of alexandria, a third century elder who denied jesus's divinity.
the council of nicea was primarily a response to arius's arguments.
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People have bad days, dude... it could be that he just wasn't in the mood to entertain these people at the time, and that this is why he lashed out emotionally. I more than sympathize with him, and can relate to his frustration... I think religion, like the War on Drugs, should just vanish completely, due to its history of effecting the human race negatively. Of course people are going to behave non-peacefully towards a force [they] wish was totally eradicated, it's only natural.
And that's the problem.
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This means that he was more interested in the emotional satisfaction of letting out his frustration than making some sort of statement... so what, though? Why do you expect him to be some sort of Jesus-esque hero? He's just a dude who sees religion for the bullshit it is, and becomes frustrated with the idiocy exhibited by the religious (due to him being an educated man)... I don't see why you are holding him up to such high standards. 
I'm not expecting him to be some sort of Jesus-esque hero, I just hold him to higher standards of logic than I would ordinary people. If he was my friend and we were in conversation, I would hold him to those same standards. It would be for his own good to hear my criticisms. I still think he acted a damned asshole.
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Poid said: The fact that, in this isolated incident, he had a similar mentality to religious people (who have this mentality pretty much all the time) doesn't say much about him IMO, other than the fact that he's not capable of living up to his ideals 100% of the time.
On what basis do you say that religious people have this mentality pretty much all the time? I'd be interested to see a source for that statement. 
You need a source to show that religious people have an irrational mentality pretty much all the time?
I don't need a source to know that people have an irrational mentality pretty much all the time.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#15437821 - 11/28/11 09:49 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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The vast majority of Christians are respectful, sane people. You don't hear about them much because they're sane and respectful. 
I happen to know plenty.
I must admit I am biased however. I come from the San Francisco Bay Area. I don't know any fundamentalist Christians. I do, however, know a shitload of fundamentalist atheists and liberals, and fundamentalism is fucking infuriating regardless to denomination.
However, I should also say that I never met any extreme-fundamentalist Christians when I lived in Tennessee for two years either. I suspect these people are not as common as they make themselves sound.
move to the midwest, we have an abundance of off the wall fundamentalist christians here.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: millzy]
#15437833 - 11/28/11 09:52 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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millzy said: jw's are actually not christian either. they go back to the writings of arius of alexandria, a third century elder who denied jesus's divinity.
the council of nicea was primarily a response to arius's arguments.
Interesting... I don't know much about Jehova's Witnesses (other than what I heard) but I do know a lot about the council of Nicea. I should read into that some more.
My main objection was to the idea that some people are special enough to be arbiters of God's Kingdom on Earth. I like that JW's have the rationality not to claim they know who these people are, or that being in their religion makes you one of those arbiters, but still, I think everybody has an intrinsically vital role to play in the human experiment.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: The Ecstatic]
#15437854 - 11/28/11 09:55 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: atheism 
you don't need a crutch to enjoy life.
Says a druggie.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Poid]
#15437861 - 11/28/11 09:56 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: atheism 
you don't need a crutch to enjoy life.
Says a druggie. 
Riiiiight? I thought this too.
Thanks for saying it.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#15437872 - 11/28/11 09:58 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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i have an extremely interesting write up on the nicean council that pretty much breaks the creed down verse by verse, explaining exactly what it means. it gets really nitty gritty with all the stuff about the trinity.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: millzy]
#15437901 - 11/28/11 10:04 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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Send it on over!
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#15437924 - 11/28/11 10:08 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#15437927 - 11/28/11 10:08 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tchan909 said: It's just uncivilized. You make a bigger impression by being passive and impartial.
People have bad days, dude... it could be that he just wasn't in the mood to entertain these people at the time, and that this is why he lashed out emotionally. I more than sympathize with him, and can relate to his frustration... I think religion, like the War on Drugs, should just vanish completely, due to its history of effecting the human race negatively. Of course people are going to behave non-peacefully towards a force [they] wish was totally eradicated, it's only natural.
And that's the problem.
What's the problem, human nature? On that, I'd agree. 
PS--Yeah I forgot to add "they", but I corrected my post before reading yours. So yeah, I can correct my writing errors without anyone's help. 
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Tchan909 said: I'm not expecting him to be some sort of Jesus-esque hero, I just hold him to higher standards. If he was my friend and we were in conversation, I would hold him to the same standards. It would be for his own good to hear my criticisms. I still think he acted a damned asshole.
You're expecting him to turn the other cheek (a practice that was preached by Jesus)... isn't that what you said here?
IMO the professor should have, as wildchild said, turned the other cheek and been the better man.
If you expecting him to behave like Jesus doesn't mean that you expect him to be Jesus-esque, then I don't know what does. 
I think, if you actually believe in that turn the other cheek nonsense, and you hold others to this standard, this indicates that you have a highly unrealistic (and unfair) expectation of people. Most animals hate being disrespected, and react violently when they are treated with disrespect, it is just nature. I don't see anything terribly wrong with humans indulging in this nature occasionally... OK, if you have a friend with anger problems, then maybe you should try to help him work through his issues with some constructive criticism, but to chastise someone without such problems when they occasionally behave angrily towards others, and are fully in their right to do so, is just plain silly IMO. 
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Tchan909 said: I don't need a source to know that people have an irrational mentality pretty much all the time.
Someone who has faith, which is by definition irrational, is irrational. Sure, there are situations where such people can behave rationally... this is why I said that they are irrational pretty much all the time, and not absolutely all the time.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: LayinUp]
#15437935 - 11/28/11 10:11 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: atheism 
you don't need a crutch to enjoy life.
Says a druggie. 
Riiiiight? I thought this too.
Thanks for saying it. 

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LayinUp said: There was no need for name calling.
If you're referring to my "druggie" comment, I was just teasing, not trying to talk shit or anything.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#15437941 - 11/28/11 10:12 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tchan909 said: Send it on over! 
i gotta scan it first, but when i do i will.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Poid]
#15437946 - 11/28/11 10:12 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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Like who even cares if somebody wants to believe in a religion, who gives a damn? The professor over reacted to something that I would look at and keep walking, why waste my time is what I would think.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Poid]
#15437948 - 11/28/11 10:13 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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LayinUp said: There was no need for name calling.
If you're referring to my "druggie" comment, I was just teasing, not trying to talk shit or anything. 
I meant the professor.
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Re: [Re: Poid]
#15437964 - 11/28/11 10:16 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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Poid said: What's the problem, human nature? On that, I'd agree. 
PS--Yeah I forgot to add "they", but I corrected my post before reading yours. So yeah, I can correct my writing errors without anyone's help. 
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Tchan909 said: I'm not expecting him to be some sort of Jesus-esque hero, I just hold him to higher standards. If he was my friend and we were in conversation, I would hold him to the same standards. It would be for his own good to hear my criticisms. I still think he acted a damned asshole.
You're expecting him to turn the other cheek (a practice that was preached by Jesus)... isn't that what you said here?
IMO the professor should have, as wildchild said, turned the other cheek and been the better man.
If you expecting him to behave like Jesus doesn't mean that you expect him to be Jesus-esque, then I don't know what does. 
I think, if you actually believe in that turn the other cheek nonsense, and you hold others to this standard, this indicates that you have a highly unrealistic (and unfair) expectation of people. Most animals hate being disrespected, and react violently when they are treated with disrespect, it is just nature. I don't see anything terribly wrong with humans indulging in this nature occasionally... OK, if you have a friend with anger problems, then maybe you should try to help him work through his issues with some constructive criticism, but to chastise someone without such problems when they behave angrily, and are fully in their right to do so, is just plain silly IMO. 
I think that it's better to turn the other cheek in all cases, even when it might mean your life. I should admit that I'll always defend myself if it means my life, but in terms of ideals, this is what we should be striving toward. I consider myself fortunate that it's never come to this and that I have a good chance of never being faced with this choice.
Violence, even the verbal kind, is a self-perpetuating cycle. Violence must be stopped if humans are to transcend their violent nature, and for this, extraordinary discipline and selflessness are necessary. Jesus advocated turning the other cheek, but IMO turning the other cheek is not Christlike; Jesus advocated that other people do it, after all. He didn't advocate dying on the cross. 
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Tchan909 said: I don't need a source to know that people have an irrational mentality pretty much all the time.
Someone who has faith, which is by definition irrational, is irrational.
Humans are by definition irrational. At least the faithful wear it on their sleeve rather than hiding it behind social trends and words, which are deceptive because of their ever-changing definitions.
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: millzy]
#15437966 - 11/28/11 10:17 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tchan909 said: Send it on over! 
i gotta scan it first, but when i do i will. 
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