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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Poid]
    #15414509 - 11/23/11 07:15 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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But to me it seems a lot of people in general put faith in science, just like others do with religion.


I don't think this is really true... religious people have blind, unquestioning belief in their ideas, this is different from the type of belief people generally have in science. People who generally believe in science will from time to time question some of its findings; religious people generally don't question anything about their religion.


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If you haven't personally performed or at least witnessed an experiment that provides evidence for something, you can't really be sure about that conclusion.


True, but it's far more reasonable to assume that the scientists who conducted a certain experiment, and the scientists who peer-reviewed it and its conclusions are acting in good faith than to assume that all they are all are lying together.




And any journal worth it's salt has a Conflict of Interest policy to deincentivise such behavior.


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Morphogenesis]
    #15414603 - 11/23/11 07:32 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

This guy is a fucking asshole, plain and simple.

I've long abandoned the belief that people can be "wrong" or "right" about any given goddamned thing. You are deluding yourself if you think you know anything in any sort of permanent, universally meaningful sense.

That's just the end of it. I'm addressing both hardcore theists and atheists with this statement. By virtue of being human, you are deluded. By telling others what to think, you are evoking fascism.


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Poid]
    #15414633 - 11/23/11 07:38 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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There is no proof that anything you experience is real.


This is nonsense...everything I experience, by definition, exists, and is real.


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It takes faith to believe anything at all.


Science doesn't have beliefs, it is composed of tentative theories.




Christians claim to experience god. By your definition, God is real.


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #15414641 - 11/23/11 07:39 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Amazing video!! Logic wins!!


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: propensity]
    #15414652 - 11/23/11 07:41 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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propensity said:
There is no proof that anything you experience is real.


This is nonsense...everything I experience, by definition, exists, and is real.


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propensity said:
It takes faith to believe anything at all.


Science doesn't have beliefs, it is composed of tentative theories.




Christians claim to experience god. By your definition, God is real.




No, those people are just deluded fools! :crankey:
/sarcasm
And now we see the ugly ad hominem at the heart of atheism.


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #15414663 - 11/23/11 07:45 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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This guy is a fucking asshole, plain and simple.

I've long abandoned the belief that people can be "wrong" or "right" about any given goddamned thing. You are deluding yourself if you think you know anything in any sort of permanent, universally meaningful sense.

That's just the end of it. I'm addressing both hardcore theists and atheists with this statement. By virtue of being human, you are deluded. By telling others what to think, you are evoking fascism.




appropriate post considering your monicker under your username.

nah, seriously though, i generally agree.


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: propensity]
    #15414679 - 11/23/11 07:47 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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propensity said:
There is no proof that anything you experience is real.


This is nonsense...everything I experience, by definition, exists, and is real.


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propensity said:
It takes faith to believe anything at all.


Science doesn't have beliefs, it is composed of tentative theories.




Christians claim to experience god. By your definition, God is real.


No...

The experience itself is real, but this doesn't necessarily mean that God actually exists; it could be that what Christians experience as "God" doesn't exist anywhere besides in their own minds (and therefore isn't "God" as traditionally defined).


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Poid]
    #15414688 - 11/23/11 07:48 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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The experience itself is real, but this doesn't necessarily mean that God actually exists; it could be that what Christians experience as "God" doesn't exist anywhere besides in their own minds.




So where do you get off on denying the reality of their experiences?

If you came to me, horribly upset about something, would you be consoled by my reassurance that your unhappiness is only real in your mind and doesn't ultimately matter, or would you just think I'm a prick?


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #15414728 - 11/23/11 07:54 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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why all the hate for people that believe in the christian god, I keep hearing
people on this site talking about respect, unity, tolerance, open mindedness
and enlightenment yet every time the subject of christianity comes up the
intolerant haters calling themselves atheists come out of the woodwork like
cockroaches. I astounds me that alternate religions like Jainism, Buddhism
are so accepted here but to believe in the mainstream religions a person must
be a delusional twat


yeah... we see how enlightening psychedelics and education are




i couldnt of said it better myself


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #15414731 - 11/23/11 07:54 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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And now we see the ugly ad hominem at the heart of atheism.


What nonsense is this? There is nothing "at the heart" of atheism besides the absence of a belief in the existence of deities. In fact, atheism is no more than just that.


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The experience itself is real, but this doesn't necessarily mean that God actually exists; it could be that what Christians experience as "God" doesn't exist anywhere besides in their own minds.




So where do you get off on denying the reality of their experiences?


I'm not denying that their experiences are real.

They say God is everywhere, and I don't see him anywhere; obviously, this means that they are just either making crap up, or interpreting ordinary things as being God. Or that I'm just, for some reason, unable to see something that is right in front of me (which is highly doubtful).


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If you came to me, horribly upset about something, would you be consoled by my reassurance that your unhappiness is only real in your mind and doesn't ultimately matter, or would you just think I'm a prick?


I wouldn't think much of it really, but I don't see what point you're trying to make here.


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Poid]
    #15414766 - 11/23/11 08:01 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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And now we see the ugly ad hominem at the heart of atheism.


What nonsense is this? There is nothing "at the heart" of atheism besides the absence of a belief in the existence of deities. In fact, atheism is no more than just that.




I honestly have a hard time seeing the line between "passive atheism" and "agnosticism." To set the record straight, when I refer to atheism, I am referring to a denial of the existence of God or gods. I do not see how passive atheism or agnosticism are different, and  if you call yourself an atheist there is a passive denial taking place. If you're trying not to shit on the beliefs of others, then call yourself an agnostic for fuck's sake.

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The experience itself is real, but this doesn't necessarily mean that God actually exists; it could be that what Christians experience as "God" doesn't exist anywhere besides in their own minds.




So where do you get off on denying the reality of their experiences?


I'm not denying that their experiences are real.

They say God is everywhere, and I don't see him anywhere; obviously, this means that they are just either making crap up, or interpreting ordinary things as being God. Or that I'm just, for some reason, unable to see something that is right in front of me (which is highly doubtful).




So when somebody tells you God is everywhere, are you assuming that what they are saying should be taken as Gospel truth, or are you assuming that humans are flawed creatures with a necessarily forgivable incomprehension of the grand schema of the universe?

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If you came to me, horribly upset about something, would you be consoled by my reassurance that your unhappiness is only real in your mind and doesn't ultimately matter, or would you just think I'm a prick?


I wouldn't think much of it really, but I don't see what point you're trying to make here.




God is subjective. Happiness and grief are subjective, too. If you can't see the value in the willingness of others to take happiness and grief at face value, I officially do not know what I'm arguing for anymore.


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #15414801 - 11/23/11 08:11 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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To set the record straight, when I refer to atheism, I am referring to a denial of the existence of God or gods.


There is nothing at the heart of that definition of atheism besides the denial of the existence of God or gods... I'm not sure why you feel ad hominems are at the heart of atheism. :shrug:


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So when somebody tells you God is everywhere, are you assuming that what they are saying should be taken as Gospel truth, or are you assuming that humans are flawed creatures with a necessarily forgivable incomprehension of the grand schema of the universe?


I definitely don't assume the former, and I somewhat assume the latter... what's your point?

I'm pretty sure that people are full of shit when they say that God is everywhere, regardless of how forgivable their incomprehension of reality is; if anything, their incomprehension makes it all the more more silly that they make such claims of certitude, and makes me all the less likely to believe them.


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I wouldn't think much of it really, but I don't see what point you're trying to make here.




God is subjective. Happiness and grief are subjective, too.


God supposedly exists in the objective world, not just inside of human skulls; he supposedly exists objectively, as well as subjectively.


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If you can't see the value in the willingness of others to take happiness and grief at face value, I officially do not know what I'm arguing for anymore.


I don't really know what you're going on about here... am I showing that I don't see the value in the willingness of others to take happiness and grief at face value? If so, where did I show this? :confused:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: sunset_mission]
    #15414832 - 11/23/11 08:20 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.”

― Marcus Aurelius




:thumbup:

Belief in a higher power is, contrary to popular belief, not a prerequisite to leading a good life. One can easily don a philosophy of kindness towards others and a humble disposition even if they do not believe in any religious or ontological schools of thought.

The commandments and rules postulated forth by various religions serve only to divide. The "Thou shalt's" and "Thou shalt nots" are not the direct will of a unified, omniscient Creator as there is no absolute right or wrong. The path of the atheist is his own, as is the path of the spiritual devotee. Neither of the two paths are superior to one another, as they both serve as valid paths of existing and knowing of the megacosm. In the case of the preacher and the professor, they are obviously situated in two opposing points of view which were shown to clash when confronted, yet they remain that: points of views. Attempting to invalidate another entity due to your personal disdain of and disagreement in the beliefs and perspectives held by that entity is arrogant and quite foolish. Very little people seem to truly grasp the notion of "unification" and "balance" in regards to all things, and can only do so with varying degrees of distortion of that concept.

I understand both the viewpoints of the ardent atheist as well as the zealous fervor of the believer, as I was once the former and now the latter. The beef most atheists have (I am making a generalization) is with organized religion and their various institutions and dogmas and what is traditionally defined by these institutions as "god". This viewpoint is that this "God" is something separate from themselves, intangible, impossible to perceive, and with no way to form a personal connection with nor to directly experience it... heh. Given this it is entirely plausible for an individual to deny the existence of such a being, whose very existence lacks any sort of possible verification and look towards other means of existential fulfillment (indeed, many atheists suffer from what can be considered an inherent lack of fulfillment in existence). And they cannot be blamed as most topics and theories on "what lies beyond" are framed in relation to what religion provides.

I can not speak for why the religious are the way they are, as I have mentioned before all entities are privy to an infinitely varied range of beliefs as well as reasons for those beliefs. Faith is the driving point for the religious. What is wrong with that, an individual having faith? More often than not that faith helps shape the person to better themselves or to give some semblance of substance and meaning to their life.

It is truly a shame when individuals of the aforementioned stances clash, for there is no reason to clash. The faithful preach acceptance of others, yet at times they attempt to modify the beliefs of those whose views aren't aligned with their own. The atheist puts forth that there is no higher force "behind the curtain", we are all on this spinning mudball for no reason, and die and rot away. Why then would the atheist want to spread this quasi-nihilistic viewpoint to others? We are all in this shithole together, no? Might as well accept others and revel in the grandness of humanity instead of attempting to belittle or debunk the lifestyles, hopes and views of others.

Going on the assumption that there is a divine, ineffable and omniscient entity which forms the foundation for all things in the Creation, it would certainly not be predisposed to choosing sides. It would blink neither at the lightness nor the darkness, the skeptic or the believer, as it would accept all as aspects of Itself treading various paths in order to ascertain experience and come to eventually know Itself. If all things are aspects of Itself, then the aforementioned description of "God" of it being separate from us and our incapability of developing a personal connection with it would not make sense.

To avoid dissent and to attempt to slowly bridge the gap between atheists and believers, one can simply say we're part of the same energy that manifests this reality. One can speak in terms of quantum physics referencing proven concepts (non locality, wave/particle duality) for the scientifically minded or that we all stem from one undivided Godhead for the believers. There is no need for conflict in this topic. Our work, all of humanity's work, is here on Earth. Pouring your energy into arguing the existence or lack thereof of a being which humanity, with its limited scope of reality and understanding, cannot fully comprehend serves no purpose. All will be as it is, people will choose to believe or not, and everyone has equally valid reasons for their beliefs or lack thereof, as all paths are valid when viewed from a scope of undifferentiated and divine unity.

My .02. :hippie:





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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Poid]
    #15414840 - 11/23/11 08:22 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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There is nothing at the heart of that definition of atheism besides the denial of the existence of God or gods... I'm not sure why you feel ad hominems are at the heart of atheism. :shrug:




Ad hominems are at the heart of atheism because your assumption that God does not exist implies that your assumptions are superior to those of others. A far more logical approach would be to embrace agnosticism: to admit that, much like anybody else, you just don't know.

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I'm pretty sure that people are full of shit when they say that God is everywhere, regardless of how forgivable their incomprehension of reality is; if anything, their incomprehension makes it all the more more silly that they make such claims of certitude, and makes me all the less likely to believe them.




Your own certainty is where you falter. Your own incomprehension makes it all the more silly that you would summarily deny anything that can't be disproven.

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God is supposedly supposed to exist in the objective world, not just inside of human skulls; he supposedly exists objectively, as well as subjectively.

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am I showing that I don't see the value in the willingness of others to take happiness and grief at face value? If so, where did I show this? :confused:




Would you deny the objective reality of happiness and grief?


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #15414871 - 11/23/11 08:30 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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There is nothing at the heart of that definition of atheism besides the denial of the existence of God or gods... I'm not sure why you feel ad hominems are at the heart of atheism. :shrug:




Ad hominems are at the heart of atheism because your assumption that God does not exist implies that your assumptions are superior to those of others. A far more logical approach would be to embrace agnosticism: to admit that, much like anybody else, you just don't know.


I disagree with the underlined portion. Just because you assume something doesn't necessarily mean that you're implying something about the assumptions of others.


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I'm pretty sure that people are full of shit when they say that God is everywhere, regardless of how forgivable their incomprehension of reality is; if anything, their incomprehension makes it all the more more silly that they make such claims of certitude, and makes me all the less likely to believe them.




Your own certainty is where you falter.


I'm not completely certain about anything, and I don't claim to be; I do, however, make educated guesses.


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Your own incomprehension makes it all the more silly that you would summarily deny anything that can't be disproven.


I don't think so... I think unfalsifiable theories are complete garbage (logically speaking), and shouldn't even be paid any attention to. It makes perfect sense to deny the existence of something that is supposed to be everywhere, but isn't found anywhere.


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God is supposedly supposed to exist in the objective world, not just inside of human skulls; he supposedly exists objectively, as well as subjectively.

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am I showing that I don't see the value in the willingness of others to take happiness and grief at face value? If so, where did I show this? :confused:




Would you deny the objective reality of happiness and grief?


Well I would say that subjective experiences exist in objective reality.

The God that people perceive supposedly exists independently from people's subjective experiences; happiness and grief do not.


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #15414872 - 11/23/11 08:30 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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why all the hate for people that believe in the christian god, I keep hearing
people on this site talking about respect, unity, tolerance, open mindedness
and enlightenment yet every time the subject of christianity comes up the
intolerant haters calling themselves atheists come out of the woodwork like
cockroaches. I astounds me that alternate religions like Jainism, Buddhism
are so accepted here but to believe in the mainstream religions a person must
be a delusional twat


yeah... we see how enlightening psychedelics and education are




i couldnt of said it better myself




I don't care what a person believes, but when some stranger is aggressively telling me what I should believe and proclaiming their beliefs as fact or superior to mine... it really grinds my gears.

People who do that (like the preacher in this video) deserve to be sacked in a trash bag and smashed on the pavement. Christian, Buddhist, or any other religion. (although in my experience Christians are usually the quickest to start an argument and try to convert you)

This isn't hate for people who believe in God, it's hate for people who don't know when to shut their fucking mouths.


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Poid] * 1
    #15414912 - 11/23/11 08:40 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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There is nothing at the heart of that definition of atheism besides the denial of the existence of God or gods... I'm not sure why you feel ad hominems are at the heart of atheism. :shrug:




Ad hominems are at the heart of atheism because your assumption that God does not exist implies that your assumptions are superior to those of others. A far more logical approach would be to embrace agnosticism: to admit that, much like anybody else, you just don't know.


I disagree with the underlined portion. Just because you assume something doesn't necessarily mean that you're implying something about the assumptions of others.






Atheism is the doctrine that there is no deity.

All of atheism is founded on one concrete certainty about reality; that there are no deities.

This by its very nature implies something about the assumptions of others, that they are completely false and in a totally concrete and immutable way.

Furthermore it requires faith to believe such a thing, as has been mentioned a bunch of times in this thread already.


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Poid]
    #15414915 - 11/23/11 08:41 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

OK, it's getting to the point where it's impossible to respond to each point you're making individually through quotes, so I'll break it down paragraph by paragraph.

a) Your vocal assumption that God does not exist is just about as infuriating and self-important as the vocal assumption that God does exist. You are claiming, as a child in this world, a child of a species with an extensive track record of getting shit wrong, that your way of thinking is right enough to make blanket statements regarding the experiences of others.

b) Something I can agree with - educated guesses are the best kind, so long as we maintain awareness that they are guesses.

c) Unfalsifiable statements are garbage in the world of scientific theory and research. In most other domains of human expression they are vitally necessary. And until I see you, Poid, publish an article in a scientific journal, I'm going to LOL IRL at your generalizations about unfalsifiable statements.

d) Happiness and grief do exist independently of subjective experience. They are causatively associated with neurological functioning, with outward behavior, and with objective events.


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Poid]
    #15414954 - 11/23/11 08:48 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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The experience itself is real, but this doesn't necessarily mean that God actually exists; it could be that what Christians experience as "God" doesn't exist anywhere besides in their own minds.




So where do you get off on denying the reality of their experiences?


I'm not denying that their experiences are real.

They say God is everywhere, and I don't see him anywhere; obviously, this means that they are just either making crap up, or interpreting ordinary things as being God. Or that I'm just, for some reason, unable to see something that is right in front of me (which is highly doubtful).




Si Monumentum Requires Circumspice... "If you seek His monument, look around you".

When this statement is said, that "God" is everywhere, this, while meant to be taken both literally and metaphorically, is also implying that everything you see around you (the Creation) contains in itself the Creator from which it stems from. It denotes more a paradigm shift in a person's perspective than anything, for the individual to attempt to consciously see all things about it as containing in itself some inherent divinity, from the elements (wind, water, etc.), trees, animals, and ultimately 'other selves'. This also applies to experiences and other catalyst which exists in reality. Nobody can make another person see "God in everything", this radical jetwash and reconfiguration of the lens a person uses to view reality can obviously only manifest from within the person.

Also, the notion that "God" exists within the mind and can be experienced from within the mind of the self is not a farfetched statement in the slightest in my humble opinion. I am not saying however that everyone is capable of beatific vision (i.e. witnessing the pure image of the Divine sans filters) is common and possible for everyone at will, but there are certainly ways to empower onesself and experience certain things by going within. Perhaps the Christians who claim to "experience God" probably attribute such an event to a breathless, ecstatic feeling moreso than anything else.


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: sunset_mission]
    #15415002 - 11/23/11 09:00 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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When this statement is said, that "God" is everywhere, this, while meant to be taken both literally and metaphorically, is also implying that everything you see around you (the Creation) contains in itself the Creator from which it stems from. It denotes more a paradigm shift in a person's perspective than anything, for the individual to attempt to consciously see all things about it as containing in itself some inherent divinity, from the elements (wind, water, etc.), trees, animals, and ultimately 'other selves'.




I love this. I bolded the part that I find most resonant. IMO the denial of God is a form of solipsism.


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