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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: PreparationH]
    #15413267 - 11/23/11 02:17 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.”

― Marcus Aurelius




Ex-fucking-actly. If there is a God and he gave me this brain why would he punish me for using it? It doesn't make any sense. Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumbbbb dumb.



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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: psilyguy]
    #15413281 - 11/23/11 02:22 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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It's a damn shame that so many people who have claimed to used psychedelics can act so blindly, however I truly believe most posters on shroomery don't use mushrooms all that often. I'm talking solo tripping with large doses of psychedelics, much like Mckenna spoke of. Not tripping with friends for shits and giggles. These are powerful substances and they should bring some perspective into the users life. Most importantly the user should find the universal network that we are all connected too, and should understand that Intelligent Design is the only answer.




This shit is lame. Psychedelics don't force enlightenment. If you think you found enlightenment on psychedelics then good for you, keep it to yourself. Other people have found that enlightenment doesn't exist by using psychedelics. They should also keep it to themselves. If people didn't expect others to see things the same way they do, this thread wouldn't exist. Anyway, you are wrong about this and you should wake up and see the truth man.





Wow, touch a nerve did I?

I never said psychedelics force enlightenment, IE yourself, and the majority of people who only use them a handful of times for party reasons.

I don't understand how I can be wrong about an opinion either...

I was simply implying that psychedelics can be used as a very powerful tool, it is not the only way to enlightenment but can be a path for some. There are shamans on the boards and many psychedelic explorers, however I was referring to the vast majority of people who hate and bash on these boards, not being experienced, and still stuck in a lower state of consciousness.

There is nothing wrong with tripping for fun either, I am not an elitist but I do believe at some point in time you have to treat these substances with respect and swim into the deep end.

Then you, like everyone else, including myself, will see how wrong we have been about everything.


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Morphogenesis] * 2
    #15413314 - 11/23/11 02:29 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

A professor who calls someone he is debating with a motherfucker in the presence of students is a horrible rolemodel. What a prick :thumbdown:


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: DZ74]
    #15413317 - 11/23/11 02:31 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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DZ74 said:
Lol wow @ this thread

I think so far Chemical Sandman is the most on point.
I believe Yeshua/Issa Ibn Yosef (aka Jesus Christ) didn't want people to worship him for that would be idolization, even though he could of been the son of God,I rather think Yeshua/Jesus was here to teach us great morals about ourselves than to actually be worshiped as his father, God.
The Catholic Church has changed the original doctrine and by this changed doctrine had managed to again domain rule over Europe (and some parts of Africa and Asia though not a big influence) for a very long time since after the fall of democracy in the Roman Empire which fell to it's own greed and Gothic invasion. Italy had to regain it's own power back which they did through the Church.
Even though Yeshua was a great man, there is many parts of his life we donot know as much of his life in the bible been left out...
There's this website called www.essene.com that claims to have pieces of Esoteric teachings, it's very interesting. There's a page on there called The Tibetan Book Of Gospel.
It explains that after his time in Egypt that Yeshua went to India and study Hinduism and Buddhism reaching enlightenment at a early age. Even though I donot know how much credibility this pertains, but it would explain the peaceful nature of Yeshua. 
Also on the website, there is another series of books claimed to be from the Vatican called the Essene Gospel Of Peace, which Yeshua speaks in parables how to naturally cleanse your body of all disease, seven day fasting, and to eat a vegan diet, as well as metaphorically speaking on how the Sun produces vitamin D and with that Vitamin D at night in the dark you produce Melatonin which is secreted from the Pineal Gland giving endorphins or something along those lines. (Correct me if I am wrong?) Which is crazy, if these texts are really from ancient times (The first book was translated into english in the 1920's-30's) then this knowledge is really impressive as how could ancient man know any of this type of knowledge that science in modern day times only discovered in the last 50 or so years?
But once again I donot know how much credibility that website pertains. but is definitly worth checking out.

But as far as religion goes, I am not religious. Religion is latin to be bound, only thing I bonded to is my word for my word is my bond. I think all "religions" in the long run teach the same morals. Peace, Tolerance, Love, Unity, Confidence, Faith, Knowledge, Good Health, e.t.c.
But alot of people get twisted up in the brain-washing of who's right over wrong that they forget about the morals really should be taught.
It's what's in your heart, right?
Alright guys, pce!




Nice post. I agree very much that with living a clean life, creates a clean mind, and that Jesus left us many hints to help us active our pineal gland and help us get closer to a higher realm of consciousness. It's a shame the church doesn't embrace this concept.


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #15413322 - 11/23/11 02:34 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
why all the hate for people that believe in the christian god, I keep hearing
people on this site talking about respect, unity, tolerance, open mindedness
and enlightenment yet every time the subject of christianity comes up the
intolerant haters calling themselves atheists come out of the woodwork like
cockroaches. I astounds me that alternate religions like Jainism, Buddhism
are so accepted here but to believe in the mainstream religions a person must
be a delusional twat


yeah... we see how enlightening psychedelics and education are




I know. Not that i subscribe to any religion, but I've seen quite a few Xtians get run off around here.


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Asante]
    #15413331 - 11/23/11 02:36 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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A professor who calls someone he is debating with a motherfucker in the presence of students is a horrible rolemodel. What a prick :thumbdown:




:thumbup::thumbup:


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Chemical_Sandman] * 5
    #15413342 - 11/23/11 02:39 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: BothHands]
    #15413356 - 11/23/11 02:44 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:oh but he is
oh but he is expressing his opinion of the bible thumper, it's stated quite clearly in the original post, here' I'll refresh your memory




so what? he expressed his opinion on the bible thumper in the video, not christianity as a whole. you were the one who made that logic jump.

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BothHands said:
I don't think anyone's saying he didn't.  They're just asking why there needs to be such an atheist circlejerk around the scene every time the word "christian" comes up in any conversation.  It's getting tedious.




well, there was no circle jerk when pris posted that. looks like he kind of initiated it.


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: XUL]
    #15413361 - 11/23/11 02:45 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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These guys preaching on campus are out of line if you ask me.




no more so than a professor that steals a briefcase from the preacher, the
thing about these sidewalk sermons, you dont have to stop, you dont have to
listen, you dont even have to acknowledge their presence. a person can simply
keep on walking

and who will choke their religion down your throat when you're filling theirs with cock


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Caine] * 2
    #15413376 - 11/23/11 02:47 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Religion and science are just two ways to try to describe the exact same thing!
There's no reason why someone can't be both logical and religious. :nonono:



Wait...what?


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: wildchild68]
    #15413383 - 11/23/11 02:48 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:oh but he is
oh but he is expressing his opinion of the bible thumper, it's stated quite clearly in the original post, here' I'll refresh your memory




so what? he expressed his opinion on the bible thumper in the video, not christianity as a whole. you were the one who made that logic jump.





so what? I simply expressed my opinion on those that bash bible thumpers


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Prisoner#1] * 2
    #15413398 - 11/23/11 02:51 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
why all the hate for people that believe in the christian god, I keep hearing
people on this site talking about respect, unity, tolerance, open mindedness
and enlightenment yet every time the subject of christianity comes up the
intolerant haters calling themselves atheists come out of the woodwork like
cockroaches. I astounds me that alternate religions like Jainism, Buddhism
are so accepted here but to believe in the mainstream religions a person must
be a delusional twat


yeah... we see how enlightening psychedelics and education are




the problem with religion, and christians in particular (because they're everywhere), is they believe CRAZY shit. not only that, but sometimes the crazy shit they believe, causes them to do crazy things.

i think that when it comes to religion, people who honestly believe that stuff have mental disorders. for the record, im not talking shit. stating my opinion. when someone disregards hard evidence and facts because it doesn't line up with something written in a BOOK they live their life by. (they call it the bible) i think it's fair to say there is something wrong with that persons mental health.


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #15413404 - 11/23/11 02:52 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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wildchild68 said:
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Prisoner#1 said:oh but he is
oh but he is expressing his opinion of the bible thumper, it's stated quite clearly in the original post, here' I'll refresh your memory




so what? he expressed his opinion on the bible thumper in the video, not christianity as a whole. you were the one who made that logic jump.





so what? I simply expressed my opinion on those that bash bible thumpers




right, but you made the classic mistake of taking a comment someone made about an individual and trying to make it seem as though that person was talking about a vast group of individuals.

you were the one who made this thread about christianity as a whole.

so, congrats i guess? you got your circle jerk.


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: PreparationH] * 1
    #15413416 - 11/23/11 02:54 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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PreparationH said:
"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.”

― Marcus Aurelius




:thumbup:

Belief in a higher power is, contrary to popular belief, not a prerequisite to leading a good life. One can easily don a philosophy of kindness towards others and a humble disposition even if they do not believe in any religious or ontological schools of thought.

The commandments and rules postulated forth by various religions serve only to divide. The "Thou shalt's" and "Thou shalt nots" are not the direct will of a unified, omniscient Creator as there is no absolute right or wrong. The path of the atheist is his own, as is the path of the spiritual devotee. Neither of the two paths are superior to one another, as they both serve as valid paths of existing and knowing of the megacosm. In the case of the preacher and the professor, they are obviously situated in two opposing points of view which were shown to clash when confronted, yet they remain that: points of views. Attempting to invalidate another entity due to your personal disdain of and disagreement in the beliefs and perspectives held by that entity is arrogant and quite foolish. Very little people seem to truly grasp the notion of "unification" and "balance" in regards to all things, and can only do so with varying degrees of distortion of that concept.

I understand both the viewpoints of the ardent atheist as well as the zealous fervor of the believer, as I was once the former and now the latter. The beef most atheists have (I am making a generalization) is with organized religion and their various institutions and dogmas and what is traditionally defined by these institutions as "god". This viewpoint is that this "God" is something separate from themselves, intangible, impossible to perceive, and with no way to form a personal connection with nor to directly experience it... heh. Given this it is entirely plausible for an individual to deny the existence of such a being, whose very existence lacks any sort of possible verification and look towards other means of existential fulfillment (indeed, many atheists suffer from what can be considered an inherent lack of fulfillment in existence). And they cannot be blamed as most topics and theories on "what lies beyond" are framed in relation to what religion provides.

I can not speak for why the religious are the way they are, as I have mentioned before all entities are privy to an infinitely varied range of beliefs as well as reasons for those beliefs. Faith is the driving point for the religious. What is wrong with that, an individual having faith? More often than not that faith helps shape the person to better themselves or to give some semblance of substance and meaning to their life.

It is truly a shame when individuals of the aforementioned stances clash, for there is no reason to clash. The faithful preach acceptance of others, yet at times they attempt to modify the beliefs of those whose views aren't aligned with their own. The atheist puts forth that there is no higher force "behind the curtain", we are all on this spinning mudball for no reason, and die and rot away. Why then would the atheist want to spread this quasi-nihilistic viewpoint to others? We are all in this shithole together, no? Might as well accept others and revel in the grandness of humanity instead of attempting to belittle or debunk the lifestyles, hopes and views of others.

Going on the assumption that there is a divine, ineffable and omniscient entity which forms the foundation for all things in the Creation, it would certainly not be predisposed to choosing sides. It would blink neither at the lightness nor the darkness, the skeptic or the believer, as it would accept all as aspects of Itself treading various paths in order to ascertain experience and come to eventually know Itself. If all things are aspects of Itself, then the aforementioned description of "God" of it being separate from us and our incapability of developing a personal connection with it would not make sense.

To avoid dissent and to attempt to slowly bridge the gap between atheists and believers, one can simply say we're part of the same energy that manifests this reality. One can speak in terms of quantum physics referencing proven concepts (non locality, wave/particle duality) for the scientifically minded or that we all stem from one undivided Godhead for the believers. There is no need for conflict in this topic. Our work, all of humanity's work, is here on Earth. Pouring your energy into arguing the existence or lack thereof of a being which humanity, with its limited scope of reality and understanding, cannot fully comprehend serves no purpose. All will be as it is, people will choose to believe or not, and everyone has equally valid reasons for their beliefs or lack thereof, as all paths are valid when viewed from a scope of undifferentiated and divine unity.

My .02. :hippie:


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Newbie]
    #15413432 - 11/23/11 02:58 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I've only had problems with extreme Republican Christians, If don't listen and agree with them 100% then your nothing but a Commie, American hating, failure in life, going to burn in hell douche. So I do hate some Christians but over all most of them are great people. I think the problems come out when religion and politics get mixed.


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: AnonO]
    #15413436 - 11/23/11 02:59 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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AnonO said:
the problem with religion, and christians in particular (because they're everywhere), is they believe CRAZY shit. not only that, but sometimes the crazy shit they believe, causes them to do crazy things.

i think that when it comes to religion, people who honestly believe that stuff have mental disorders. for the record, im not talking shit. stating my opinion. when someone disregards hard evidence and facts because it doesn't line up with something written in a BOOK they live their life by. (they call it the bible) i think it's fair to say there is something wrong with that persons mental health.




So do the Hindus, Buddhists, etc. Like a few have said, religion in any form is a mental disorder, IMHO.


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: uber_aj]
    #15413489 - 11/23/11 03:11 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Mind Transcribing said:
Quote:

Caine said:
Religion and science are just two ways to try to describe the exact same thing!
There's no reason why someone can't be both logical and religious. :nonono:



Wait...what?





it's a pretty simple statement and it's actually accurate

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why all the hate for people that believe in the christian god, I keep hearing
people on this site talking about respect, unity, tolerance, open mindedness
and enlightenment yet every time the subject of Christianity comes up the
intolerant haters calling themselves atheists come out of the woodwork like
cockroaches. I astounds me that alternate religions like Jainism, Buddhism
are so accepted here but to believe in the mainstream religions a person must
be a delusional twat


yeah... we see how enlightening psychedelics and education are




Granted I'm not on this site as often as you are, but I really only see the claims you're talking about in TPE, which is full of noobs who just did DXM or shrooms for the first time, and in the Mysticism forum, which obvious attracts one small demographic.





it happens less lately but it goes through spurts where there's a dozen or more per week


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Show me a video of an atheist standing in a foyer of a church shouting at people and I'll say the same about him.





you've never heard of Richard Feynman or Richard Dawkins?  both of them
and hundreds of other atheist have done virtually this very thing, they
take up their soap box any way they can

Richard Dawkins 'interviewing' Wendy Wright, the first of a 7 part preaching session from an atheist



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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: AnonO] * 1
    #15413510 - 11/23/11 03:17 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
yeah... we see how enlightening psychedelics and education are




the problem with religion, and christians in particular (because they're everywhere), is they believe CRAZY shit. not only that, but sometimes the crazy shit they believe, causes them to do crazy things.





crazy shit like the NWO, the Government did 9/11,  secret sects of people
running the world, aliens abducting people and probing their butts, space
worms, chemtrails, 2012, NASA missions were faked, etc...?

you're right, crazy people are everywhere and they dont have to be christians
to ignore reason, logic and facts


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #15413522 - 11/23/11 03:20 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

Mind Transcribing said:
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Caine said:
Religion and science are just two ways to try to describe the exact same thing!
There's no reason why someone can't be both logical and religious. :nonono:



Wait...what?





it's a pretty simple statement and it's actually accurate


No it isn't.


Science describes the world as it is, whereas religion just makes shit up about the world... the world as it is ≠ made up shit about the world, they do not describe the exact same thing at all.

One can't be both a logical and religious person because religion requires faith... faith is irrational (i.e. illogical), and a person who has faith is illogical.


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Poid] * 1
    #15413571 - 11/23/11 03:32 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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Mind Transcribing said:
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Caine said:
Religion and science are just two ways to try to describe the exact same thing!
There's no reason why someone can't be both logical and religious. :nonono:



Wait...what?





it's a pretty simple statement and it's actually accurate


No it isn't.




it is an accurate statement, firstly not all scientists are atheist or agnostic, there are a great number of christians that are scientists. second science and religion do try and explain things like to origins of life, various phenomenon, and other things we've had little understanding of in the past. one takes a certain method to test out these ideas while the other simply attributes it to god



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One can't be both a logical and religious person because religion requires faith... faith is irrational (i.e. illogical), and a person who has faith is illogical.




faith is required in science just as it is with the religion of atheism
and just as it is in the other religions. you seem to be like many others
and under the impression that a person cant believe in god and believe in
evolution, not all christians believe the bible to be 100% fact, many
understand that science has the upper hand when it comes to the
explanations that people seek. do all christians with medical conditions 
sit by and wait for god to heal them of their cancer or hemorrhoids or do
they seek out the medical professionals? would that not suggest that they
also have faith in the sciences, sciences that are often times as flawed
as religion... Doctards have the faith that they've made the right
diagnosis, prescribed the right treatments and pills and yet nearly
300,000 people die each year as a result of these doctards screwing it up

or are doctards not scientists?


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