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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Mind Transcribing]
    #15437762 - 11/28/11 09:37 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

yeah, i agree, ideologues are morons.

but fundy christians are around. come to texas. lol


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: millzy]
    #15437777 - 11/28/11 09:40 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

The closest I've met to fundamentalist Christians were some Jehova's Witnesses.

Good friends of my family. Recently converted. I hung out with some of the people from their congregation (I forget what they call their congregations but it's not "church") and they were a reasonable bunch of personable folks. They gave me their conversion spiel. I honestly was pretty interested to hear what they had to say so I listened intently, and I learned some things about the Bible and about my friends. Then I basically explained that I don't, can't, won't believe in hell or a spiritual "elect." They respected my beliefs and continued to respect me as a person.

That's the problem with fundamentalists... they're so vastly outnumbered, and yet so vastly outspoken.


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #15437787 - 11/28/11 09:43 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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It's just uncivilized. You make a bigger impression by being passive and impartial.


People have bad days, dude... it could be that he just wasn't in the mood to entertain these people at the time, and that this is why he lashed out emotionally. I more than sympathize with him, and can relate to his frustration... I think religion, like the War on Drugs, should just vanish completely, due to its history of affecting the human race negatively. Of course people are going to behave non-peacefully towards a force they wish was totally eradicated, it's only natural.


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The professor would have made a more resonant statement against religion by remaining impassive in the face of personal insults; instead he accepted the preacher's invitation to make it personal.


This means that he was more interested in the emotional satisfaction of letting out his frustration than making some sort of statement... so what, though? Why do you expect him to be some sort of Jesus-esque hero? He's just a dude who sees religion for the bullshit it is, and becomes frustrated with the idiocy exhibited by the religious (due to him being an educated man)... I don't see why you are holding him up to such high standards. :shrug:


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The fact that, in this isolated incident, he had a similar mentality to religious people (who have this mentality pretty much all the time) doesn't say much about him IMO, other than the fact that he's not capable of living up to his ideals 100% of the time.




On what basis do you say that religious people have this mentality pretty much all the time? I'd be interested to see a source for that statement. :stoned:


You need a source to tell you that religious people have an irrational mentality pretty much all the time?


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #15437801 - 11/28/11 09:46 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

jw's are actually not christian either. they go back to the writings of arius of alexandria, a third century elder who denied jesus's divinity.

the council of nicea was primarily a response to arius's arguments.


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Poid]
    #15437804 - 11/28/11 09:46 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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It's just uncivilized. You make a bigger impression by being passive and impartial.


People have bad days, dude... it could be that he just wasn't in the mood to entertain these people at the time, and that this is why he lashed out emotionally. I more than sympathize with him, and can relate to his frustration... I think religion, like the War on Drugs, should just vanish completely, due to its history of effecting the human race negatively. Of course people are going to behave non-peacefully towards a force [they] wish was totally eradicated, it's only natural.




And that's the problem.

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The professor would have made a more resonant statement against religion by remaining impassive in the face of personal insults; instead he accepted the preacher's invitation to make it personal.


This means that he was more interested in the emotional satisfaction of letting out his frustration than making some sort of statement... so what, though? Why do you expect him to be some sort of Jesus-esque hero? He's just a dude who sees religion for the bullshit it is, and becomes frustrated with the idiocy exhibited by the religious (due to him being an educated man)... I don't see why you are holding him up to such high standards. :shrug:




I'm not expecting him to be some sort of Jesus-esque hero, I just hold him to higher standards of logic than I would ordinary people. If he was my friend and we were in conversation, I would hold him to those same standards. It would be for his own good to hear my criticisms. :shrug: I still think he acted a damned asshole.


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The fact that, in this isolated incident, he had a similar mentality to religious people (who have this mentality pretty much all the time) doesn't say much about him IMO, other than the fact that he's not capable of living up to his ideals 100% of the time.




On what basis do you say that religious people have this mentality pretty much all the time? I'd be interested to see a source for that statement. :stoned:


You need a source to show that religious people have an irrational mentality pretty much all the time?




I don't need a source to know that people have an irrational mentality pretty much all the time.


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #15437821 - 11/28/11 09:49 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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The vast majority of Christians are respectful, sane people. You don't hear about them much because they're sane and respectful. :facepalm:

I happen to know plenty.

I must admit I am biased however. I come from the San Francisco Bay Area. I don't know any fundamentalist Christians. I do, however, know a shitload of fundamentalist atheists and liberals, and fundamentalism is fucking infuriating regardless to denomination.

However, I should also say that I never met any extreme-fundamentalist Christians when I lived in Tennessee for two years either. I suspect these people are not as common as they make themselves sound.




move to the midwest, we have an abundance of off the wall fundamentalist christians here.


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: millzy]
    #15437833 - 11/28/11 09:52 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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jw's are actually not christian either. they go back to the writings of arius of alexandria, a third century elder who denied jesus's divinity.

the council of nicea was primarily a response to arius's arguments.




Interesting... I don't know much about Jehova's Witnesses (other than what I heard) but I do know a lot about the council of Nicea. I should read into that some more.

My main objection was to the idea that some people are special enough to be arbiters of God's Kingdom on Earth. I like that JW's have the rationality not to claim they know who these people are, or that being in their religion makes you one of those arbiters, but still, I think everybody has an intrinsically vital role to play in the human experiment.


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #15437854 - 11/28/11 09:55 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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atheism :feelsgoodman:



you don't need a crutch to enjoy life.


Says a druggie. :lolsy:


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Poid]
    #15437861 - 11/28/11 09:56 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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atheism :feelsgoodman:



you don't need a crutch to enjoy life.


Says a druggie. :lolsy:




Riiiiight? I thought this too.

Thanks for saying it. :lolsy:


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #15437872 - 11/28/11 09:58 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

i have an extremely interesting write up on the nicean council that pretty much breaks the creed down verse by verse, explaining exactly what it means. it gets really nitty gritty with all the stuff about the trinity.


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: millzy]
    #15437901 - 11/28/11 10:04 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Send it on over! :pm:


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #15437924 - 11/28/11 10:08 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

There was no need for name calling.


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #15437927 - 11/28/11 10:08 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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It's just uncivilized. You make a bigger impression by being passive and impartial.


People have bad days, dude... it could be that he just wasn't in the mood to entertain these people at the time, and that this is why he lashed out emotionally. I more than sympathize with him, and can relate to his frustration... I think religion, like the War on Drugs, should just vanish completely, due to its history of effecting the human race negatively. Of course people are going to behave non-peacefully towards a force [they] wish was totally eradicated, it's only natural.




And that's the problem.


What's the problem, human nature? On that, I'd agree. :satansmoking:

PS--Yeah I forgot to add "they", but I corrected my post before reading yours. So yeah, I can correct my writing errors without anyone's help. :cool2:


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I'm not expecting him to be some sort of Jesus-esque hero, I just hold him to higher standards. If he was my friend and we were in conversation, I would hold him to the same standards. It would be for his own good to hear my criticisms. :shrug: I still think he acted a damned asshole.


You're expecting him to turn the other cheek (a practice that was preached by Jesus)... isn't that what you said here?

IMO the professor should have, as wildchild said, turned the other cheek and been the better man.

If you expecting him to behave like Jesus doesn't mean that you expect him to be Jesus-esque, then I don't know what does. :justdontknow:


I think, if you actually believe in that turn the other cheek nonsense, and you hold others to this standard, this indicates that you have a highly unrealistic (and unfair) expectation of people. Most animals hate being disrespected, and react violently when they are treated with disrespect, it is just nature. I don't see anything terribly wrong with humans indulging in this nature occasionally... OK, if you have a friend with anger problems, then maybe you should try to help him work through his issues with some constructive criticism, but to chastise someone without such problems when they occasionally behave angrily towards others, and are fully in their right to do so, is just plain silly IMO. :shrug:


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I don't need a source to know that people have an irrational mentality pretty much all the time.


Someone who has faith, which is by definition irrational, is irrational. Sure, there are situations where such people can behave rationally... this is why I said that they are irrational pretty much all the time, and not absolutely all the time.


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: LayinUp]
    #15437935 - 11/28/11 10:11 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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you don't need a crutch to enjoy life.


Says a druggie. :lolsy:




Riiiiight? I thought this too.

Thanks for saying it. :lolsy:


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There was no need for name calling.


If you're referring to my "druggie" comment, I was just teasing, not trying to talk shit or anything. :smile:


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #15437941 - 11/28/11 10:12 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Send it on over! :pm:




i gotta scan it first, but when i do i will. :awesome:


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Poid]
    #15437946 - 11/28/11 10:12 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Like who even cares if somebody wants to believe in a religion, who gives a damn? The professor over reacted to something that I would look at and keep walking, why waste my time is what I would think.


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Poid]
    #15437948 - 11/28/11 10:13 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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There was no need for name calling.


If you're referring to my "druggie" comment, I was just teasing, not trying to talk shit or anything. :smile:





I meant the professor.


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    #15437964 - 11/28/11 10:16 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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What's the problem, human nature? On that, I'd agree. :satansmoking:

PS--Yeah I forgot to add "they", but I corrected my post before reading yours. So yeah, I can correct my writing errors without anyone's help. :cool2:




Sorry. :hehehe:/:grammarnazi:


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I'm not expecting him to be some sort of Jesus-esque hero, I just hold him to higher standards. If he was my friend and we were in conversation, I would hold him to the same standards. It would be for his own good to hear my criticisms. :shrug: I still think he acted a damned asshole.


You're expecting him to turn the other cheek (a practice that was preached by Jesus)... isn't that what you said here?

IMO the professor should have, as wildchild said, turned the other cheek and been the better man.

If you expecting him to behave like Jesus doesn't mean that you expect him to be Jesus-esque, then I don't know what does. :justdontknow:


I think, if you actually believe in that turn the other cheek nonsense, and you hold others to this standard, this indicates that you have a highly unrealistic (and unfair) expectation of people. Most animals hate being disrespected, and react violently when they are treated with disrespect, it is just nature. I don't see anything terribly wrong with humans indulging in this nature occasionally... OK, if you have a friend with anger problems, then maybe you should try to help him work through his issues with some constructive criticism, but to chastise someone without such problems when they behave angrily, and are fully in their right to do so, is just plain silly IMO. :shrug:




I think that it's better to turn the other cheek in all cases, even when it might mean your life. I should admit that I'll always defend myself if it means my life, but in terms of ideals, this is what we should be striving toward. I consider myself fortunate that it's never come to this and that I have a good chance of never being faced with this choice.

Violence, even the verbal kind, is a self-perpetuating cycle. Violence must be stopped if humans are to transcend their violent nature, and for this, extraordinary discipline and selflessness are necessary. Jesus advocated turning the other cheek, but IMO turning the other cheek is not Christlike; Jesus advocated that other people do it, after all. He didn't advocate dying on the cross. :shrug:

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I don't need a source to know that people have an irrational mentality pretty much all the time.


Someone who has faith, which is by definition irrational, is irrational.




Humans are by definition irrational. At least the faithful wear it on their sleeve rather than hiding it behind social trends and words, which are deceptive because of their ever-changing definitions.


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: millzy]
    #15437966 - 11/28/11 10:17 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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i gotta scan it first, but when i do i will. :awesome:




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