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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Morphogenesis] * 14
    #15412127 - 11/23/11 09:01 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

why all the hate for people that believe in the christian god, I keep hearing
people on this site talking about respect, unity, tolerance, open mindedness
and enlightenment yet every time the subject of christianity comes up the
intolerant haters calling themselves atheists come out of the woodwork like
cockroaches. I astounds me that alternate religions like Jainism, Buddhism
are so accepted here but to believe in the mainstream religions a person must
be a delusional twat


yeah... we see how enlightening psychedelics and education are


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: PsillySighBen]
    #15412213 - 11/23/11 09:30 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Buddhists and Janists - in my experience - never act as the overzealous Christians do. 





you must have some pretty limited experiences, hindu, buddhists, all
religious groups have their share, the extremists even resort to terrorism
and murder and these arent isolated cases

http://www.compassdirect.org/english/country/bangladesh/18416

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2010-12-17/india/28265611_1_tensions-and-political-confrontations-group-among-certain-elements-bigger-threat


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #15412765 - 11/23/11 12:10 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
why all the hate for people that believe in the christian god, I keep hearing
people on this site talking about respect, unity, tolerance, open mindedness
and enlightenment yet every time the subject of christianity comes up the
intolerant haters calling themselves atheists come out of the woodwork like
cockroaches. I astounds me that alternate religions like Jainism, Buddhism
are so accepted here but to believe in the mainstream religions a person must
be a delusional twat


yeah... we see how enlightening psychedelics and education are





Christians are not tolerant.




I never claimed they were

I was referring to this community, the so called enlightened people
who preach tolerance and respect... what ever happened to practicing
what you preach



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But no, they're close-minded ignoramuses.




like a psychedelic community?

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This goes for all religious people, but since most of us live in the west, we all have to deal with the sheer stupidity of zionism on a daily basis.





and the so stupidity of the so called 'non religious' drug users


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Re: [Re: HeroMike]
    #15412786 - 11/23/11 12:16 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Prisoner , Hi my names mike , long time listener fist time caller . I agree with you here to a point . Your message while accurately conveys your opinion , contradicts itself outright by the message contained inside it . Not saying I don't do this all the time , hell sometimes for fun. In a sense Your actions are no different then the Professor yelling at the bible thumper




didnt Jesus say 'let he who is without sin throw the first stone'

well, I'm certainly not sin free but I do like to throw rocks

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, nor the OP voicing his opinion by seeking great entertainment in a video of "hate" . Your opinion is just like everyone else's limited and fruitless ... Not to Say this doesn't make life more entertaining for everyone ( I'm actually fairly sure us monkeys just get a kick out of screaming at eachother and throwing shit:)




oh but he is expressing his opinion of the bible thumper, it's stated
quite clearly in the original post, here' I'll refresh your memory

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Towards the end of the video I actually felt really sorry for the preacher. Imagine how disconnected and confusing the world must seem to him. Not only does he believe all of the superstition and negativity about sin, but he is compelled to embarrass himself in order to spread the "good word." It's just beyond me. That man needs a big group hug and a cold beer with friends.





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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: XUL]
    #15413361 - 11/23/11 02:45 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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These guys preaching on campus are out of line if you ask me.




no more so than a professor that steals a briefcase from the preacher, the
thing about these sidewalk sermons, you dont have to stop, you dont have to
listen, you dont even have to acknowledge their presence. a person can simply
keep on walking

and who will choke their religion down your throat when you're filling theirs with cock


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: wildchild68]
    #15413383 - 11/23/11 02:48 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:oh but he is
oh but he is expressing his opinion of the bible thumper, it's stated quite clearly in the original post, here' I'll refresh your memory




so what? he expressed his opinion on the bible thumper in the video, not christianity as a whole. you were the one who made that logic jump.





so what? I simply expressed my opinion on those that bash bible thumpers


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: uber_aj]
    #15413489 - 11/23/11 03:11 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Mind Transcribing said:
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Caine said:
Religion and science are just two ways to try to describe the exact same thing!
There's no reason why someone can't be both logical and religious. :nonono:



Wait...what?





it's a pretty simple statement and it's actually accurate

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Prisoner#1 said:
why all the hate for people that believe in the christian god, I keep hearing
people on this site talking about respect, unity, tolerance, open mindedness
and enlightenment yet every time the subject of Christianity comes up the
intolerant haters calling themselves atheists come out of the woodwork like
cockroaches. I astounds me that alternate religions like Jainism, Buddhism
are so accepted here but to believe in the mainstream religions a person must
be a delusional twat


yeah... we see how enlightening psychedelics and education are




Granted I'm not on this site as often as you are, but I really only see the claims you're talking about in TPE, which is full of noobs who just did DXM or shrooms for the first time, and in the Mysticism forum, which obvious attracts one small demographic.





it happens less lately but it goes through spurts where there's a dozen or more per week


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Show me a video of an atheist standing in a foyer of a church shouting at people and I'll say the same about him.





you've never heard of Richard Feynman or Richard Dawkins?  both of them
and hundreds of other atheist have done virtually this very thing, they
take up their soap box any way they can

Richard Dawkins 'interviewing' Wendy Wright, the first of a 7 part preaching session from an atheist



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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: AnonO] * 1
    #15413510 - 11/23/11 03:17 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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yeah... we see how enlightening psychedelics and education are




the problem with religion, and christians in particular (because they're everywhere), is they believe CRAZY shit. not only that, but sometimes the crazy shit they believe, causes them to do crazy things.





crazy shit like the NWO, the Government did 9/11,  secret sects of people
running the world, aliens abducting people and probing their butts, space
worms, chemtrails, 2012, NASA missions were faked, etc...?

you're right, crazy people are everywhere and they dont have to be christians
to ignore reason, logic and facts


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Poid] * 1
    #15413571 - 11/23/11 03:32 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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Mind Transcribing said:
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Religion and science are just two ways to try to describe the exact same thing!
There's no reason why someone can't be both logical and religious. :nonono:



Wait...what?





it's a pretty simple statement and it's actually accurate


No it isn't.




it is an accurate statement, firstly not all scientists are atheist or agnostic, there are a great number of christians that are scientists. second science and religion do try and explain things like to origins of life, various phenomenon, and other things we've had little understanding of in the past. one takes a certain method to test out these ideas while the other simply attributes it to god



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One can't be both a logical and religious person because religion requires faith... faith is irrational (i.e. illogical), and a person who has faith is illogical.




faith is required in science just as it is with the religion of atheism
and just as it is in the other religions. you seem to be like many others
and under the impression that a person cant believe in god and believe in
evolution, not all christians believe the bible to be 100% fact, many
understand that science has the upper hand when it comes to the
explanations that people seek. do all christians with medical conditions 
sit by and wait for god to heal them of their cancer or hemorrhoids or do
they seek out the medical professionals? would that not suggest that they
also have faith in the sciences, sciences that are often times as flawed
as religion... Doctards have the faith that they've made the right
diagnosis, prescribed the right treatments and pills and yet nearly
300,000 people die each year as a result of these doctards screwing it up

or are doctards not scientists?


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: sunset_mission]
    #15413648 - 11/23/11 03:50 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Religion, as the term is used, explains nothing close to what science attempts to plumb. Science concerns itself with the tangible, attempting to validate, explain, observe, examine, and determine various facets, laws, and phenomenon in and of existence, at least in regards to things which are tangible.




so why then do Dawkins, Feynman and many others try to disprove the
existence of god, does this mean they arent actually scientists?

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Religion indoctrinates




as does science, just as any other religion there are many sects, some
believe special relativity, the string theory, abiogenesis while others
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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: uber_aj]
    #15413681 - 11/23/11 04:02 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Oh come on Pris, having a scheduled interview/debate/argument with another adult is not the same as showing up at a campus or church and shouting at passing-by strangers that they're going to Hell.




isnt it? isnt it the same when it's a TV series where Dawkins shows up at
churches as well as offices in order to spread his word, just because we
dont see him speaking to the congregation doesnt mean he doesnt, just
because there arent hundreds of videos of self righteous atheists
screaming down christians doesnt mean it doesnt happen.



more from the atheist evangelist



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One is private communication between parties interested in the topic (regardless of how heated it gets), the other is either a poor attempt at flagrant, fear-based persuasion, or it's attention whoring.




is Dawkins alleged interview not more of the same sort of attention
whoring, this was made for TV, complete with a film crew, far from
being private


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Poid]
    #15413732 - 11/23/11 04:19 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Religion indoctrinates




as does science...


I've never seen a scientific article that "preaches" its message in the same way that religious writings do.




dont they? are we not told that there are certain laws regarding science, laws of physics just as there are laws of god


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...just as any other religion there are many sects, some
believe special relativity, the string theory, abiogenesis while others
do not and there's plenty of infighting between them


Different areas of science collaborate with each other, whereas different sects of religion oppose each other... not very similar IMO. :shrug:




one group is currently protesting the current discovery of a particle
traveling faster than light, saying that their prophet, Einstein is right
that's not cooperation, that's opposition. they question the validity
through various means such as the substrate it was fired through, the
synchronization of clocks, anything to say that the other is wrong and
nothing can travel faster than light


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Ieponumos]
    #15413748 - 11/23/11 04:24 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Anyone making a public statement is preaching by its essential definition. It's most often applied to sermons, but any public proclamation of any belief is preaching. Just sayin'.





I agree... butit's not as though the scenario that uber_aj put to me isnt unheard of





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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: sunset_mission]
    #15413795 - 11/23/11 04:35 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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There are no "scientific" means or experiments to prove or disprove "God" in the religious sense.





there's no way to prove or disprove the existence of god in any sense, atheist take it on faith because of their beliefs that god doesnt exist while christians believe he does



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Religion indoctrinates




as does science, just as any other religion there are many sects, some
believe special relativity, the string theory, abiogenesis while others
do not and there's plenty of infighting between them




Religious doctrines and scientific areas of study/theory are not necessarily one and the same. That there are various schools of differing thought that lead to disagreements is similar in both science and religion, I suppose.




we can articulate it in any way we wish but it doesnt change the facts, I
cannot send my children to public schools for them to learn religious
belief of intelligent design or creation, instead they are indoctrinated
with the secular views of science. parents are required by law to send
their kids to school and as most people cant afford private schools,
public schools are the available option for them.  why is one view pushed
in schools while the other is not, in america we call it indoctrination
just as religion indoctrinates children to believe in creation


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Poid]
    #15413830 - 11/23/11 04:43 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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You require faith in science because all science relies on human perception...


That does not follow...

Faith is the firm belief in something for which there is no proof... there is no widely accepted theory in science for which there is no strong evidence.





string theory, abiogenesis, big bang theory, there's thousands of them, some
even violate the very laws that science has set, unlike religion, science is
set up to say 'whoops, we dun goofed' so they can claim that they werent
really wrong, they just didnt have all the facts


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Poid]
    #15413850 - 11/23/11 04:49 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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we're not preached about it in scientific literature; also, scientific literature backs its claims up with evidence, whereas religious people don't.





bible genetics,the bible backed it's claim that breeding sheep in front of a striped pole would produce striped sheep


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Different areas of science collaborate with each other, whereas different sects of religion oppose each other... not very similar IMO. :shrug:




one group is currently protesting the current discovery of a particle
traveling faster than light, saying that their prophet, Einstein is right
that's not cooperation, that's opposition. they question the validity
through various means
...


That sounds like collaboration to me; that is what scientists do, they have their peers review their theories. :shrug:




religious sects must be must collaborating as well


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...such as the substrate it was fired through, the
synchronization of clocks, anything to say that the other is wrong and
nothing can travel faster than light


They are just trying to defend their theory because they think it's correct based on the available evidence




defending their beliefs in some theory or another

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It takes faith to believe anything at all.


Science doesn't have beliefs, it is composed of tentative theories.




see above


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: wildchild68]
    #15413859 - 11/23/11 04:50 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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yikes.

that's the guy who hired an escort and purchased meth from him.

leading a bunch of people who think they are following a man of the lord.

yikes.





dude... meth and hookers, how can he not be a true believer with all that
money rolling in, I believe in meth and hookers... and viagra because of
the meth


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Poid]
    #15413865 - 11/23/11 04:52 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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...unlike religion, science is
set up to say 'whoops, we dun goofed' so they can claim that they werent
really wrong, they just didnt have all the facts


I don't see anything wrong with that... what's wrong with scientists coming up with false conclusions from time to time? The tentativeness of scientific theories is what makes science so great... everything in science is subject to revision pending new evidence that contradicts current understandings.




what's wrong with fraudulent science from time to time?

there's a reason the theories arent scientific fact


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Poid]
    #15413910 - 11/23/11 05:04 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Theories aren't called facts because they aren't facts. :shrug:





just as the ted hagards of this world may make a fortune bilking the
believers while pushing the word of god, the believers of science are
gobbling up the words of the scientist as though it were the gospel

so as these are tentative beliefs it means that scientists are simply
trolling, cranking out theory after theory that they have no confidence
in and hoping no one actually looks deeper

great job of making science look even more like religion poid


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Re: "I teach logic, mother fucker." Professor Confronts Preacher on Campus [Re: Poid]
    #15415163 - 11/23/11 09:41 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Theories aren't called facts because they aren't facts. :shrug:





just as the ted hagards of this world may make a fortune bilking the believers while pushing the word of god, the believers of science are gobbling up the words of the scientist as though it were the gospel


Even if this is true, so what, what does this say about science itself? Nothing.




right and the fact that modern science is money driven and rife with fraud

I'm sure that says nothing either


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