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Canada bows to USA pressure on Marijuana?
    #1540983 - 05/12/03 06:11 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

This article is kind of confusing...it says Ottawa's backing off on decrim, then it goes on to say that those convicted will not get a criminal record.

Hmm,

Possession to stay criminal offence. Changes come after U.S. outcry


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Re: Canada bows to USA pressure on Marijuana? [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1541232 - 05/12/03 10:59 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

God...
cant these people fuck off and die?

This is our country. Why does the Us government feel the need to stick its nose in everyone elses business?


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Re: Canada bows to USA pressure on Marijuana? [Re: TheCaptain]
    #1541260 - 05/12/03 11:15 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Why are your leaders such lacky's? I wish they would just go ahead and make it legal and just see what happens...i see it as the US bluffing.


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Re: Canada bows to USA pressure on Marijuana? [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1541320 - 05/12/03 11:35 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Is this the only source that is claiming this? I personally don't think Chretien will back down, but I'll wait to get pissed off until I hear him say it.


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Re: Canada bows to USA pressure on Marijuana? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1541660 - 05/12/03 02:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Why are your leaders such lacky's?  I wish they would just go ahead and make it legal and just see what happens...i see it as the US bluffing. 




Yeah,we go to stand up, but the US says "NO!", and we bend back over for another round....

I hope we don't pussy out! :mad:


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Re: Canada bows to USA pressure on Marijuana? [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1541679 - 05/12/03 02:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah,we go to stand up, but the US says "NO!", and we bend back over for another round....

I hope we don't pussy out! :mad: 




lol, nice analogy. if weed ever does get decriminalized in Canada i'm gonna have to move there asap. things just keep getting worse and worse in the US with Bush and ashcroft in office  :frown:



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Re: Canada bows to USA pressure on Marijuana? [Re: spiritshaper]
    #1541689 - 05/12/03 02:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Make sure you vote 2004 before you come! :wink:
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Re: Canada bows to USA pressure on Marijuana? [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1541798 - 05/12/03 03:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i'm glad i live 15 minutes from Canada...best of both worlds.


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Re: Canada bows to USA pressure on Marijuana? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1541819 - 05/12/03 03:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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i'm glad i live 15 minutes from Canada...best of both worlds.



IMO, the best of both worlds would be living 15 minutes from the U.S.


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Re: Canada bows to USA pressure on Marijuana? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1541827 - 05/12/03 03:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

the taxes suck and the money is worthless....but the fishing is good i suppose.


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Re: Canada bows to USA pressure on Marijuana? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1541875 - 05/12/03 03:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

...and you can play hockey on the same pond you ice fish on, after you get bored. :laugh:


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Re: Canada bows to USA pressure on Marijuana? [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1541891 - 05/12/03 03:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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and you can play hockey on the same pond you ice fish on, after you get bored




I already do...Michigan isn't exactly tropical.


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Re: Canada bows to USA pressure on Marijuana? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1541909 - 05/12/03 04:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Why are your leaders such lacky's? I wish they would just go ahead and make it legal and just see what happens...i see it as the US bluffing.




Fuck man, you live in a fantasy world. Don't you?

You don't think the USA has big time levers to influence other countries policy? HA!

As for taxes, at least Canadians spend them on the people, (health insurance, regional development, etc.)

In the USA your taxes fund the biggest war machine in history, plus the biggest prison system in the western world. Some freedom.

Plus, you still have to pay the outrageous private insurance rates, unless your one of the 1 in 8 Americans who have no health insurance.

Real good system USA's got there.



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Re: Canada bows to USA pressure on Marijuana? [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1541979 - 05/12/03 04:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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You don't think the USA has big time levers to influence other countries policy? HA!




Actually it was a loaded comment. I hear from many Canadians that their leaders are to be commended on their leadership abilities but when push comes to shove they're no better than those of a third world government. I put it this way directed at the Canadian Government: Put up or shut up.

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As for taxes, at least Canadians spend them on the people, (health insurance, regional development, etc.)




your health care is a joke. Your socialized medicine is a pretty package filled with taxable BS.

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In the USA your taxes fund the biggest war machine in history, plus the biggest prison system in the western world.




I'm for the funding of OUR military and with the exception of non-violent (drugs, etc.) crimes i support the locking up of criminals for as long as it takes...actually i'd like to bring back the chain-gangs.

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Plus, you still have to pay the outrageous private insurance rates




I don't pay a dime, my employer does.

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unless your one of the 1 in 8 Americans who have no health insurance.




wow you bought that hook line and sinker didn't you. EVERY American qualifies for either Medicare or Medicaid depending on need.

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Real good system USA's got there.




i'd say it's not perfect but i know one thing, it's better than Canada's


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Re: Canada bows to USA pressure on Marijuana? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1542074 - 05/12/03 05:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"i'd say it's not perfect but i know one thing, it's better than Canada's"

you're living in a fantasy world my friend, a picket-white fence, funniest home videos, family sedan, sleeping pill, blinded by freedom fantasy world.

the only possible way I can make sense of your comments is....

you must have alot of money and a huge lack of experience.

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Re: Canada bows to USA pressure on Marijuana? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1542100 - 05/12/03 05:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Now lets all do the Canadian Salute.....Everybody bend over and grab your ankles...LOL But seriously Canada has its probs just like any other country but I honestly believe that not only is there government is more honest with its people but they actually have more "Freedom" than those of us here in the U.S.....So when it come right down to it who do you really think is getting Phucked?

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Re: Canada bows to USA pressure on Marijuana? [Re: mycophat]
    #1542171 - 05/12/03 05:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

All of us!..in one form or another!!! :mad:


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Re: Canada bows to USA pressure on Marijuana? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1542176 - 05/12/03 05:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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i'd say it's not perfect but i know one thing, it's better than Canada's




Personally, i would NOT choose to enter america for ANY reason....how many americans wouldn't come to canada?



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Re: Canada bows to USA pressure on Marijuana? [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1542188 - 05/12/03 05:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I think Holland has more freedoms than either the US or Canada :smile:



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Re: Canada bows to USA pressure on Marijuana? [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1542329 - 05/12/03 06:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Personally, i would NOT choose to enter america for ANY reason....how many americans wouldn't come to canada?





do you live near the border? Thousands of Canadians come over here everyday....a lot of them come to see our doctors for obvios reasons, others for jobs. As a matter of fact i work with 2 Canadians in my imediate area....so you must be in the minority.


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Re: Canada bows to USA pressure on Marijuana? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1542331 - 05/12/03 06:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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you must have alot of money and a huge lack of experience.




you don't know much about the healthcare system, do you? look up medicare and medicaid and get back to me, like i said it ain't perfect but it's still better then canada's...ask the people coming over here everyday looking for competant doctors.

don't get me wrong i like Canada but socialized medicine is a joke.


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Re: Canada bows to USA pressure on Marijuana? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1542497 - 05/12/03 07:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"look up medicare and medicaid and get back to me"

okay, sure, ill do that, but i think you should look up "poverty" and get back to me.


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Re: Canada bows to USA pressure on Marijuana? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1542742 - 05/12/03 08:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Thousands of Canadians come over here everyday....a lot of them come to see our doctors for obvios reasons,




Obviously, to buy their way to the front of the line. That's how the market decides priority. By who has the most money to spend. While under Canada's socialized system, priority is based on need. (What a concept)

So, your health insurance is paid by your employer, who'll maybe fire you if he knew you smoked a joint! Some freedom. Yes, most types of private insurance plays right into the hands of those who want to control our private lives.

Medicaid is a joke. Are there no John Q's in America?

America spends 3-5% MORE of their GDP on health care than Canada, while only fully insuring some-where around 70% of their population. But they create a few billionaires in the process!

In USA there are whole floors of hospitals devoted to a massive buracracy of people sorting through all the different private plans, while in BC, something like 250 people administer the financing of health to 3 million people.

Even America provides universal public health insurance to seniors. For obvious reasons.

Why do you need a bunch of profit takers to administer your health system? Why not cut out the profit takers, and spend that money on the people?

That's when I get called a 'damn Communist'!

Anyways, any advantage Americans may have over Canadians is due to imperialism, or the weather. Certainly not the system.

And, Thor, yeah, Holland probably does better than both when it comes to making sure everyone's taken care of at least...


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Re: Canada bows to USA pressure on Marijuana? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1542787 - 05/12/03 09:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Canada's health care system is a joke?
It may not be the best in the world but it beats the hell out of the U.S. system.

I worked in the U.S. doing forclosure solutions, helping people to save their homes. Do you know what the most common reason for losing your home was? ... Massive health care debts that were put as liens on peoples homes. Your Medicare and Medicaid system will get your broken arm set, or a cut stitched up... IF You Qualify!!! But if your looking at a new heart or other transplant... it's CASH up front baby, cause most HMO's wont cover it, and neither will the State!

I have no affection for either the U.S. or the Canadian governments, they both screw us every chance they get... but I'll stick with the Canadian Health Care System thanks.

As far as the topic issue... For awhile, I actually thought our government had finally grew a brain and some balls... but I guess not!  :smile:
 


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Re: Canada bows to USA pressure on Marijuana? [Re: Shdwstr]
    #1542833 - 05/12/03 09:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I know a user here at the shroomery who had full coverage in the US and yet after 2 years of medical bills he still owed around 1 million in bills.

Yeah, good system alright.


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Re: Canada bows to USA pressure on Marijuana? [Re: Shdwstr]
    #1542845 - 05/12/03 09:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I have to say, I kind of like Canada's health care system, but I wouldn't trust the American government with it. Would you?

Is it illegal for a doctor to set up a private practce in Canada, and accept cash for services?


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Re: Canada bows to USA pressure on Marijuana? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1543087 - 05/12/03 10:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Baby_Hitler writes:

Is it illegal for a doctor to set up a private practce in Canada, and accept cash for services?

Yes.

I have written here before about Canada's fucked up health care system. I have personal experience with it, my parents still live in Canada, I have friends my age (middle-aged) who deal with it.

It is fucked, it is worse than in the US, and no teenager who lives in Canada has any idea what a tough time he is in for if he ever needs anything more than a few stitches or a broken arm set.

It is impossible to live in Canada and not see article after article in the news magazines and newspapers about the crisis in the Canadian health care system. And that's what it is -- a crisis. It cannot be fixed, because by their nature socialized single-tier health care systems CANNOT be fixed.

When socialized medicine was first introduced in Canada in the Sixties, the people who knew the most about it (the doctors) predicted everything that is happening now. They were called "greedheads". In the Seventies, as more cracks began to appear, and more people than just doctors expressed their misgivings, they were called "naysayers". In the Eighties, when it became apparent even to politicians that something was seriously wrong and health care workers started leaving Canada in droves, they were called "deserters". In the Nineties, they were called "leeches". Today, while they should be called "prescient", they are probably back to being called "greedheads" again.

There are good things about living in Canada, but the health care system is definitely NOT one of those good things.

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Re: Canada bows to USA pressure on Marijuana? [Re: Phred]
    #1543120 - 05/12/03 11:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Personally I think our (Canada) problem with health care is not our system, its a lack of qualified doctors and personell. Most of the really good physicians can get paid way more in the US so the have a big incentive to go there.

That leaves us with a serious lack  :frown:


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Re: Canada bows to USA pressure on Marijuana? [Re: trendal]
    #1543174 - 05/12/03 11:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Why do you people even argue. Their is only one truth in all of your worlds, and that is your own.


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Re: Canada bows to USA pressure on Marijuana? [Re: Phred]
    #1543251 - 05/12/03 11:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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When socialized medicine was first introduced in Canada in the Sixties, the people who knew the most about it (the doctors) predicted everything that is happening now




Saskatchewan pioneered Canadian public health insurance. The Docs went on strike there to protest the new system.

One of the things they said would happen is that all new babies born would be owned by the government!

That one didn't happen.

If you got money, USA's private system works best. If oyour average Joe (majority), public works best.

Except for USA, I think every western democracy has public health insurance.

Anyways Pinky, my elderly grandparents are both recieveing comprehensive care for cancer, (which they BOTH beat, by the way), grandma had spinal bone spurs removed, grandpa is on steriods for some damn thing you get when your old. Seems to work for us average folks...and NOT ONE BILL!!


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Re: Canada bows to USA pressure on Marijuana? [Re: trendal]
    #1543254 - 05/12/03 11:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Doesn't it seem a little hypocritical that the US feels it is Canada's responsability to stop weed from crossing the border into the US, but doesn't prosecute American doctors for treating Canadian patients?


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Re: Canada bows to USA pressure on Marijuana? [Re: trendal]
    #1543371 - 05/13/03 12:18 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

trendal writes:

Most of the really good physicians can get paid way more in the US so the have a big incentive to go there.

Exactly. Think about it.

That is one of the very first things that the doctors predicted would happen. It is one of the very first things that happened when England socialized their medical system, too, and it is the main reason why England moved to a "two-tier" system such as they have in Germany and several other European countries.

As for the marijuana issue, when I was still in school the LeDain Commission recommended legalizing marijuana. That was over three decades ago. I find it more than a little surprising that the group in favor of LEGALIZATION rather then decriminalization is the Senate. We all have this image (usually accurate) of a bunch of lazy, tenured old fogies just putting in time and rubber-stamping whatever the House of Commons proposes. For once, the Senate is ahead of the House.

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Re: Canada bows to USA pressure on Marijuana? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1544331 - 05/13/03 06:54 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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okay, sure, ill do that, but i think you should look up "poverty" and get back to me




please look up medicare, they're covered too. Like i said it ain't great but it's still better than a socialized failure.


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Re: Canada bows to USA pressure on Marijuana? [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1544339 - 05/13/03 07:05 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Obviously, to buy their way to the front of the line.




Line? So you have to wait in a line eh? Sounds like a great idea when you're having an emergency.

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America spends 3-5% MORE of their GDP on health care than Canada,




and our country has more people and facilities to support them.

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In USA there are whole floors of hospitals devoted to a massive buracracy of people sorting through all the different private plans, while in BC, something like 250 people administer the financing of health to 3 million people.




bad comparison, and who do you call if you have a problem if you are one of the 3 million people? that works out to be 12,000 people per person, i hope they have an 800 number.

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Even America provides universal public health insurance to seniors. For obvious reasons.




yeah they call it medicaid and or medicare.

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Why do you need a bunch of profit takers to administer your health system? Why not cut out the profit takers, and spend that money on the people?




and where will this money come from? still from peter to pay paul? your taxes are terrible and i want no part of it.

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That's when I get called a 'damn Communist'!




i'd say a socialist, not a communist.

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Anyways, any advantage Americans may have over Canadians is due to imperialism, or the weather. Certainly not the system.




yes our weather is nice, except Michigan, but your system is falling faster then our individual rights are here.





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Re: Canada bows to USA pressure on Marijuana? [Re: Phred]
    #1544558 - 05/13/03 10:44 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Baby_Hitler writes:

Is it illegal for a doctor to set up a private practce in Canada, and accept cash for services?

Yes.

I have written here before about Canada's fucked up health care system. I have personal experience with it, my parents still live in Canada, I have friends my age (middle-aged) who deal with it.

It is fucked, it is worse than in the US, and no teenager who lives in Canada has any idea what a tough time he is in for if he ever needs anything more than a few stitches or a broken arm set.


   





Get your facts straight Pinky.

A Doctor can open a private, cash only, office or clinic. It is not illegal. But, it IS NOT financially viable for them. If every Doctor in the States was being paid by the government and no individual HAD to pay for services... would you go to the only doctor that you had to pay out of your own pocket?

As far as your ridiculous statement about "teen care"...
My 18 month old son contracted several respiratory viruses, his throat swelled shut and he stopped breathing. When we arrived at the hospital he was immediately attended to (without waiting to see if our "insurance" would cover it!) and subsequently spent 2 months in intensive care in a pediatric hospital.. Total cost to us... NOTHING! It was all covered under HIS government "insurance".
Several months later we were in Florida doing forclosure solutions and he took sick again. We called the local hospital and they assured us that if his condition worsened that he would be cared for if we brought him in... and we didn't have to worry about the bill, cause our Canadian health insurance would cover "some" of the costs, and the rest ($10,000.00 per day) would simply be billed to us!!!
Tell me again how the U.S. system is better ???

BTW... Your parents live in Canada? If your middle aged, they must be quite elderly. How much debt do they owe for medical treatment?

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Re: Canada bows to USA pressure on Marijuana? [Re: Shdwstr]
    #1545714 - 05/13/03 05:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I read in the newspaper today that they are going to introduce the new legislation on Thursday. So we only got 2 days to wait to see if they are serious...


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Re: Canada bows to USA pressure on Marijuana? [Re: Shdwstr]
    #1545716 - 05/13/03 06:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Shdwstr writes:

Get your facts straight Pinky.
A Doctor can open a private, cash only, office or clinic. It is not illegal.


Since when? In which province? This was certainly not the case in Ontario last time I checked -- with the exception of cosmetic surgeons.

My 18 month old son contracted several respiratory viruses, his throat swelled shut and he stopped breathing. When we arrived at the hospital he was immediately attended to (without waiting to see if our "insurance" would cover it!) and subsequently spent 2 months in intensive care in a pediatric hospital.. Total cost to us... NOTHING!

The emergency rooms in Canada are probably as good in most of Canada as they are in most of the US. There is an enormous difference between trauma medicine and emergency medicine and "elective" surgery, or treatment of chronic or degenerative diseases. Your son took a "shortcut" into the system (and I am NOT saying this is cheating or anything -- far from it. I merely point out that it happened) that would not have been available to him if he had not been in a life-threatening crisis at the time.

The normal course in most Canadian urban areas is to wait days or weeks for an appointment with your GP, then weeks or months for an appointment with the specialist your GP refers you to, more weeks etc. for tests (especially if those tests involve hi-tech equipment such as an MRI), then perhaps a diagnosis when the test results come in weeks later and you get a follow-up appointment. That's one HELL of a lot of time for whatever ailment you have to worsen.

Total cost to us... NOTHING! It was all covered under HIS government "insurance".

No? Add up the payroll deductions, employer contributions, and increased taxes that go towards providing that "free" coverage and then get back to me.

If your middle aged, they must be quite elderly. How much debt do they owe for medical treatment?

If they had been allowed from the time they started working to opt out of the Canadian socialized system and instead go with Blue Cross or something similar for all those years, they would have had a much more substantial retirement fund today.

This is something I KNOW about, okay? This has nothing to do with ideology, this is cold hard fact -- Canadians pay roughly 50% more money to receive roughly two thirds the service healthcare wise. Why not read one of the MANY government reports on the subject (or better yet, some of the independent studies that have been reported in the Canadian media) and see for yourself. Or talk to a nurse or a doctor or a hospital administrator when they have their guard down at a party after a drink or two.

If anyone wishes to pursue this further, I suggest a separate thread be opened. THIS thread is about the decriminalization (hopefully) of marijuana in Canada.

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Re: Canada bows to USA pressure on Marijuana? [Re: Phred]
    #1547441 - 05/14/03 07:07 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

well put...


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Re: Canada bows to USA pressure on Marijuana? [Re: Phred]
    #1547795 - 05/14/03 11:59 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Your right about one thing.

"THIS thread is about the decriminalization (hopefully) of marijuana in Canada."



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Re: Canada bows to USA pressure on Marijuana? [Re: Shdwstr]
    #1548731 - 05/14/03 06:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

This should have been moved to the News forum.


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